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[AresKeith]

Hey, don't try and confuse them with your logic and sense and good storytelling, they have a rule.

 

... Are we really going towards this now?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

No it doesn't go against this, the goal was to wrap up the Inquisitor's story and it was finished but that doesn't rule them out from returning in a major role

The goal was to "conclusively tie off this protagonist". By the definition on conclusively, that means they will not continue with the Inquisitor as a protagonist.

[Nefla]

... Are we really going towards this now?

I should have accepted long ago that The Rule trumps all. No other factors matter, only the rule they set that states "thou shalt have a new protagonist for each game."

[BansheeOwnage]

I want to believe that, but I think they really do believe they did a good job of "wrapping up" the inquisitor's story and will toss them in favor of a new random PC. The only thing they "wrapped up" is the inquisitor's arm.

To me, the fact that this is what they tried to do implies to me that they're continuing the "new game = new protagonist" gimmick because they feel like they have to for some reason, instead of just telling a story. Having a former ally end up being an antagonist, having your character vow to stop said former ally, and the fact that "half the plot" of Inquisition was scrapped seems like enough reason to waive the current approach for a single game.

 

 

Edit:

Hey, don't try and confuse them with your logic and sense and good storytelling, they have a rule.

Whoops, too late

[AresKeith]

The goal was to "conclusively tie off this protagonist". By the definition on conclusively, that means they will not continue with the Inquisitor as a protagonist.

 

As the 'main protagonist' 

 

I should have accepted long ago that The Rule trumps all. No other factors matter, only the rule they set that states "thou shalt have a new protagonist for each game."

 

I was more referring to automatically branding what "good storytelling" is because you have a different opinion

[Hanako Ikezawa]

As the 'main protagonist' 

They don't say that. They say protagonist. You're putting words in their mouths.

[Smudjygirl]

... Are we really going towards this now?

 

People are dissatisfied. It's to be expected.

[Nefla]

I was more referring to automatically branding what "good storytelling" is because you have a different opinion

At this point, I don't really care enough to preface everything with "in my opinion" though I doubt many would objectively call Trespasser a conclusion to the inquisitor's story. It was pure cliffhanger sequel bait.

[AresKeith]

They don't say that. They say protagonist. You're putting words in their mouths.

 

They don't have to say it, there is a thing called secondary protagonist that the Inquisitor can still be and can even be playable 

 

And you're the one putting words in my mouth by saying I wanted them gone when my main preference is dual protagonists

[Smudjygirl]

At this point, I don't really care enough to preface everything with "in my opinion" though I doubt many would objectively call Trespasser a conclusion to the inquisitor's story. It was pure cliffhanger sequel bait.

 

Interestingly enough, i had a few friends watch all 4 versions of the ending of Trespasser. None have played Inquisition, thus know nothing of Solas, and i didn't tell them what i think. They all called it a cliffhanger and said that the story of the Inquisitor is not finished (due to what they say). When i told them that was supposed to be the end, they were all confused and none of them saw it as any sort of "conclusion". Small sample, sure. But still.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They don't have to say it, there is a thing called secondary protagonist that the Inquisitor can still be and can even be playable 

A secondary protagonist is still a protagonist, thus conflicts with what they said were the goals of Trespasser. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Well, you win New Protagonist people.

Sorry, just need to vent at this a bit more, ignore me

Spoiler

Well guess what?

 

 

Also, I ran out of likes for the day... for like the first (or second?) time ever

[AresKeith]

A secondary protagonist is still a protagonist, thus conflicts with what they said were the goals of Trespasser. 

 

Now you're just being too literal with it 

[Smudjygirl]

Sorry, just need to vent at this a bit more, ignore me

Spoiler

Well guess what?

 

 

Has there been any more clarification on that picture? I want to know more of what was said

[Nefla]

Interestingly enough, i had a few friends watch all 4 versions of the ending of Trespasser. None have played Inquisition, thus know nothing of Solas, and i didn't tell them what i said. They all called it a cliffhanger and said that the story of the Inquisitor is not finished (due to what they say). When i told them that was supposed to be the end, they were all confused and none of them saw it as any sort of "conclusion". Small sample, sure. But still.

Even the choice of whether to disband or not is based around Solas. Disband gives you less resources against Solas but is less likely to be infiltrated by his spies, keep gives more resources against him but is more vulnerable to his spies. The game's own description says this. If they wanted to end the inquisitor's story they should have forced the inquisition to either disband or become small and attached to the divine rather than giving a choice (especially one that implies future effect), they shouldn't have had Solas reveal his identity and plans to the inquisitor, they shouldn't have had the inquisitor vow to stop or redeem Solas and they shouldn't have had the inner circle secretly plotting to stop Solas in the basement complete with the inquisitor stabbing the map of Tevinter implying "we're going here next."

[Smudjygirl]

Even the choice of whether to disband or not is based around Solas. Disband gives you less resources against Solas but is less likely to be infiltrated by his spies, keep gives more resources against him but is more vulnerable to his spies. The game's own description says this. If they wanted to end the inquisitor's story they should have forced the inquisition to either disband or become small and attached to the divine rather than giving a choice (especially one that implies future effect), they shouldn't have had Solas reveal his identity and plans to the inquisitor, they shouldn't have had the inquisitor vow to stop or redeem Solas and they shouldn't have had the inner circle secretly plotting to stop Solas in the basement complete with the inquisitor stabbing the map of Tevinter implying "we're going here next."

 

When i told one of them the plot had been effectively "split in half" he said that it makes little sense to move on, but rather the story should finish. This guy is completely unbiased, because he can't even stand DA. He said that only the secret "nope" ending could be considered neutral. But then the Inquisitor always ends up in the same place saying they will find him, so even that ending give character motivation

[AresKeith]

Even the choice of whether to disband or not is based around Solas. Disband gives you less resources against Solas but is less likely to be infiltrated by his spies, keep gives more resources against him but is more vulnerable to his spies. The game's own description says this. If they wanted to end the inquisitor's story they should have forced the inquisition to either disband or become small and attached to the divine rather than giving a choice (especially one that implies future effect), they shouldn't have had Solas reveal his identity and plans to the inquisitor, they shouldn't have had the inquisitor vow to stop or redeem Solas and they shouldn't have had the inner circle secretly plotting to stop Solas in the basement complete with the inquisitor stabbing the map of Tevinter implying "we're going here next."

 

Again you guys are taking the protagonist part way too literal, none of this rules out the Inquisitor coming back as a major role in this

[Mistic]

I can't understand why there are people surprised that there will be a new protagonist in DA4. So far, the situation has always been the same: end DA:O, people ask the Warden to return in the next game, but Bioware wants a new protagonist. DAII ends, people ask for Hawke, but Bioware gives us the Inquisitor. DA:I ends, people want the Inquisitor to continue, but most likely we'll have another character.

 

Cue the end of DA4, when people will say that the new PC's story "isn't finished" and that he/she has to be the protagonist of DA5

[Nefla]

Again you guys are taking the protagonist part way too literal, none of this rules out the Inquisitor coming back as a major role in this

I'm so not interested in the inquisitor being some OOC quest giving NPC who leaves everything to some random new grunt off the street with no connection to anything, nor do I want to play said grunt. They set up an interesting plotline with DA2's ending pointing towards a mage-templar war which would have been an appealing story to me but they tossed it out in DA:I in favor of a boring, disjointed "must save the world from generic ancient evil guy." Setting up this new conflict in Trespasser and then not following through with the inquisitor just points to the same result in my eyes and I don't have enough faith left in BioWare to think they'd do a good job of it.

[In Exile]

That's not comforting. They butchered my Hawke, and Hawke was a lot easier of a character to make a NPC than the Inquisitor will be. Having the Inquisitor return and butcher my Inquisitor is worse than them not showing up at all in my opinion.

They butchered my HOF in DAA and the character was playable. At least with Hawke being butchered it's an NPC and I can just pretend this is some alternate reality and not my own character at all, just a person with the same name and a radically different appearance.

[Nefla]

I can't understand why there are people surprised that there will be a new protagonist in DA4. So far, the situation has always been the same: end DA:O, people ask the Warden to return in the next game, but Bioware wants a new protagonist. DAII ends, people ask for Hawke, but Bioware gives us the Inquisitor. DA:I ends, people want the Inquisitor to continue, but most likely we'll have another character.

 

Cue the end of DA4, when people will say that the new PC's story "isn't finished" and that he/she has to be the protagonist of DA5

The warden's story was finished and with plenty of closure. DA2 didn't really finish Hawke's story but it would have been finished in the canceled expansion. People wanting the Warden or Hawke want them because they like those characters. People want the Inquisitor again because Trespasser opened up a new plotline with new motivations, a vow from the inquisitor to stop Solas, and the inquisition beginning to work against him in secret. That's not finishing something, that's starting something.

[Smudjygirl]

Again you guys are taking the protagonist part way too literal, none of this rules out the Inquisitor coming back as a major role in this

 

People are disappointed. They're not going to be happy even if we are told the Inquisitor will be back to fill in (insert role here) because they (or we) were very invested in the story of the Inquisitor and Solas.

 

And i think this is different than the Warden. They at least have the chance to confront their invisible bad guy. Hawke didn't really start the war, if you care to split hairs. Meredith and Orsino did. And Hawke's connection to Cory was that of someone who just happened to meet. I think DAI suffered for this, sure, but i think it will be worse for Solas' story. My opinion, of course.

[In Exile]

The warden's story was finished and with plenty of closure. DA2 didn't really finish Hawke's story but it would have been finished in the canceled expansion. People wanting the Warden or Hawke want them because they like those characters. People want the Inquisitor again because Trespasser opened up a new plotline with new motivations, a vow from the inquisitor to stop Solas, and the inquisition beginning to work against him in secret. That's not finishing something, that's starting something.

Except it totally wasn't, because Morrigan. You can even declare you'll hunt after her (for good or ill).

[Smudjygirl]

Except it totally wasn't, because Morrigan. You can even declare you'll hunt after her (for good or ill).

 

Except it totally didn't happen for every Warden. Many "cannon" Wardens are dead. They couldn't possibly bring back a dead PC (i was going to say character, but then i remembered Leliana). The difference is every Inquisitor says they will stop Solas. And they are all alive. Even those who say "my adventuring days may be done" still are looking for him. So it is not quite the same barrel of worms.

[Nefla]

Except it totally wasn't, because Morrigan. You can even declare you'll hunt after her (for good or ill).

And then in Witch Hunt you hunt her. In any case she never revealed any kind of plans to destroy the world to us. If they wanted to do an inquisitor-stops-Solas plot in an expansion instead of a game I would still play that expansion.