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[vertigomez]

So, I've been indulging in idle speculation lately about what direction DA4's romances might go in. There's already a thread about what you think is ideal, so I'm basing this one off what I think is likely based on trends and feedback.

Trying to put my personal hopes aside (dwarf dwarf dwarf dwarf dwarf), here's what I came up with.

• Hopefully we're headed to Tevinter for the next game, or at least up north, so I think we'll see a continued increase in ethnic diversity for our companions.

• For real, though: DWARVES. With the generally favorable attitude towards Harding's shell of a romance (flirting, promise of a date, Vivienne's teasing in the epilogue), the Dagna/Sera ship, prevalence of dwarven characters in multiplayer, outcry over Varric not being a LI, Blackwall's concept art being conspicuously dwarfy, etc. I think a dwarven LI is finally within the realm of possibility.

• At least one mage. This is a given! And every mage LI to date - besides Dorian - has had something questionable going on, whether or not they saw it that way. Morrigan, Anders, Merrill, Solas...

• At least one elf, but probably two... probably with disparate personalities. The contrast between Solas and Sera, and Fenris and Merrill, was evident. An elf who embraces 'human' culture and more or less rejects a distinctly elven identity... and one who does the opposite.

• Considering all the pleas for a chivalrous warrior type LI (looking at you, Alistair, Aveline, Cullen, Cassandra, etc.) and Allan's thread asking for feedback, I suspect a gay or bisexual KISA is on the horizon.

That's all I got so far. Thoughts?

[daveliam]

I think Harding is going to be a lock for an ungated bisexual LI. She was hella popular and a quasi romance already.

[Akrabra]

Well i did want a Dwarf Romance, but that was for Varric, and now it is to late. Why oh why didn't they let the Inquisitor or Hawke romance him? It could have been part of the whole getting past Bianca, but i guess that is the point of his story, it will always be him and Bianca. GAH! Not sure what i am doing, just abit outraged. 

 

I am pretty sure Harding will be both a companion and romance option in DA:4. She will probably be a liaison for the Inquisition and we a new Agent, or just someone working with them to find Solas/Qunari war. She could be the perfect link between the two games without relying to much Southern Thedas and DA:I as a whole. 

 

Other than that i am hoping for a romance with someone that is part of the Magisterium, could be an Interesting twist. Maybe also an Elf who is a slave in Tevinter. 

[wright1978]

Personally I hope Harding doesn't return but then I fear I may be in the minority in having little time for her or her return.

[HuldraDancer]

While I am craving a dwarf romance (to the point of saving up for a Rune Factory game to get it else where) I can't say I'm to keen on Harding, something about her just doesn't click with me. I have a feeling if we were to get a dwarf romance though that it'd probably be her.

 

Gonna guess we'll probably get slave or servant LI as well if we are heading where Trespasser hinted at, probably an elf. Though I got nothing to support most or any of this.

[Duelist]

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• For real, though: DWARVES. With the generally favorable attitude towards Harding's shell of a romance (flirting, promise of a date, Vivienne's teasing in the epilogue), the Dagna/Sera ship, prevalence of dwarven characters in multiplayer, outcry over Varric not being a LI, Blackwall's concept art being conspicuously dwarfy, etc. I think a dwarven LI is finally within the realm of possibility.

Tall order that one.

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For cereal though, I tend to gravitate toward the roguish types but I don't have a particular preference. Other than Isabela of course.

[Biotic Apostate]

I'd really like a grizzled Ander/Nevarran warrior. I'm pretty sure one of those countries will be included in 4, so it's not a tall order. I agree that 2 elves and a mage are a given. I wonder though who will pick up David's workload. Will they have more characters to write per writer, or will they bring in someone new?

 

Allan's post, plus the speech given by Manveer Heir on diversity give me huge hopes for Andromeda (both are working on it). If that are the people BW puts forward, we should expect more diversity and less stereotypes in MEA (I know this thread is about DA4, but Andromeda is closer, so my excitement is reserved for that).

[nightscrawl]

• At least one mage. This is a given! And every mage LI to date - besides Dorian - has had something questionable going on, whether or not they saw it that way. Morrigan, Anders, Merrill, Solas...

o_O I never noticed that. Geez, it's like a mage trope. Perhaps we need a super nerdy mage LI like Finn (even nerdier than Dorian and Solas!) That would be a hoot.

At any rate, I really have no idea as to speculation. And I hate to say it because I don't actually think he was some impenetrable barrier for this, but maybe we will finally get a dwarf LI now that David is no longer on the series. It's just silly that we haven't gotten one at this point.

 

Other than Harding, the only guess I have is for Charter. I quite like the serious, fem elf rogue, and also enjoyed what Mika Simmons (Anora's VA) did with her voice. This is a woman who will know what she wants and not take any sh*t from anyone.

 

I don't know about a LI, as they would have to do it SO RIGHT to work, but I'm really hoping we will get Maevaris as our first trans follower. They set the groundwork with Krem, so we'll see. The only drawback I see is that mere mention of the issue might devolve into people saying, "The whole romance was about her being trans," just like people say the same of Dorian being gay, which is not accurate. Both Krem and Dorian are already distilled down to that one thing, and I'd hate to see it happen with Mae as well, considering that I think she has so much to bring in terms of personality and life experience. The fact that she is a mature woman (a peer of Varric's, I assume), is also a huge bonus.

[SardaukarElite]

Tall order that one.

 

That was a low blow. 

[Lady Artifice]

I think Harding is probably likely, which...I don't know. I love Sigrun. I love Dagna. I never quite caught the enthusiasm with Harding. I have no problem with another sweet and friendly female dwarf, and I like Harding well enough. I think my judgement might be clouded by my belief that they underused the others, especially Dagna. 

 

I'm not going to say Bioware deals in heavy cliches, because it's my opinion that they're more likely to deal in subversions of cliches, but there are types we keep seeing. I don't know how I'd describe it, but I think they've established a certain type of female dwarf they like to write. 

 

Actually, I think most of them might fit the "spirited young lady," archetype. There's certainly nothing wrong with it, but I'd rather they stray away from that from now on. 

 

If I had my pick for a dwarven companions, I'd really want Korbin from the MP. I absolutely adore Korbin. He'd be a little like Varric in the "team dad," kind of way, but more lawful and conflicted. 

[vertigomez]

Several mentions about Harding. I actually don't know how likely it is she'll be a romance... will they just ignore the pseudomance with her and the Inquisitor? I still don't understand the conversation Quis and Vivienne had about it in Trespasser. It was so vague and awkward. Did they go on a date? Did Harding get stood up? (You bastard!)

Tall order that one.

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That was a low blow.

I'd really like a grizzled Ander/Nevarran warrior. I'm pretty sure one of those countries will be included in 4, so it's not a tall order. I agree that 2 elves and a mage are a given. I wonder though who will pick up David's workload. Will they have more characters to write per writer, or will they bring in someone new?

Allan's post, plus the speech given by Manveer Heir on diversity give me huge hopes for Andromeda (both are working on it). If that are the people BW puts forward, we should expect more diversity and less stereotypes in MEA (I know this thread is about DA4, but Andromeda is closer, so my excitement is reserved for that).

It's all good.

I for one would welcome a grizzled warrior type from up north. They did the loner with a dark past thing with Blackwall and he's about as grizzled as it gets, so I'd be happy to see what other direction they'd take such a character. What were you thinking? Some kind of veteran, maybe? Or a barbarian hero? I'm still salty that I never got in Sky Watcher's pants.

Didn't David only write one LI in DA2 (that being Fenris)?

o_O I never noticed that. Geez, it's like a mage trope. Perhaps we need a super nerdy mage LI like Finn (even nerdier than Dorian and Solas!) That would be a hoot.

It's bizarre. Maybe mages should worry less about demonic possession and more about how possession is nine-tenths, eh? Eh??! I am trash.

I don't know about a LI, as they would have to do it SO RIGHT to work, but I'm really hoping we will get Maevaris as our first trans follower. They set the groundwork with Krem, so we'll see. The only drawback I see is that mere mention of the issue might devolve into people saying, "The whole romance was about her being trans," just like people say the same of Dorian being gay, which is not accurate. Both Krem and Dorian are already distilled down to that one thing, and I'd hate to see it happen with Mae as well, considering that I think she has so much to bring in terms of personality and life experience. The fact that she is a mature woman (a peer of Varric's, I assume), is also a huge bonus.

I'm wary for all the same reasons you are, but even still my heart says BRING ON THE MAE. She's single and ready to mingle, she has excellent taste in dwarven men, and she aims to reform Tevinter. I feel like Vanna White and Maevaris is the answer to the puzzle board of my life.

I think Harding is probably likely, which...I don't know. I love Sigrun. I love Dagna. I never quite caught the enthusiasm with Harding. I have no problem with another sweet and friendly female dwarf, and I like Harding well enough. I think my judgement might be clouded by my belief that they underused the others, especially Dagna.

I'm not going to say Bioware deals in heavy cliches, because it's my opinion that they're more likely to deal in subversions of cliches, but there are types we keep seeing. I don't know how I'd describe it, but I think they've established a certain type of female dwarf they like to write.

Actually, I think most of them might fit the "spirited young lady," archetype. There's certainly nothing wrong with it, but I'd rather they stray away from that from now on.

Tbh I would be thrilled with Dagna as a love interest, because I love intellectual nerdy magic enthusiasts (if it seems like every conversation with me comes back to Safiya.........it does, she's perfect, THE END). But because she's a super minor NPC from the first game and already came back as a slightly more important NPC in the third game and potentially Sera's paramour, I think it's safe to say that ship has sailed.

I realize you weren't suggesting she be a LI, but. um. my hand slipped.

About clichés, it's funny that you say that because with Valta and Sumalee's Cadash I feel like they're moving in the opposite direction towards a more mature, womanly sort of dwarf, rather than the spirited young lady archetype.

If I had my pick for a dwarven companions, I'd really want Korbin from the MP. I absolutely adore Korbin. He'd be a little like Varric in the "team dad," kind of way, but more lawful and conflicted.

YES PLEASE. I adore him. I'm sensing a shade of Gorim, a pinch of Varric, a smidgen of Kardol... and I need all of that in my life. Right now.

[BraveVesperia]

I really like the idea of a dwarf LI. I loved Sigrun, easily the best character in that dlc. Renn and Valta in the Descent were also pretty great. 

 

I'd particularly like a bi/lesbian mage (maybe a Magister?) with a similar template to Morrigan, Calpernia or Vivienne. Or a few of the sorceresses in The Witcher. Someone who's an intelligent, elegant, ruthless schemer and enjoys working the political scene. Preferably with a lovely husky voice.

[vertigomez]

I really like the idea of a dwarf LI. I loved Sigrun, easily the best character in that dlc. Renn and Valta in the Descent were also pretty great. 
 
I'd particularly like a bi/lesbian mage (maybe a Magister?) with a similar template to Morrigan, Calpernia or Vivienne. Or a few of the sorceresses in The Witcher. Someone who's an intelligent, elegant, ruthless schemer and enjoys working the political scene. Preferably with a lovely husky voice.

Yeeesssssss. You're speaking my language. Pls Julie Benz, hear my cry and voice my waifu.

[Biotic Apostate]

It's all good.

I for one would welcome a grizzled warrior type from up north. They did the loner with a dark past thing with Blackwall and he's about as grizzled as it gets, so I'd be happy to see what other direction they'd take such a character. What were you thinking? Some kind of veteran, maybe? Or a barbarian hero? I'm still salty that I never got in Sky Watcher's pants.

Didn't David only write one LI in DA2 (that being Fenris)?

I've already mentioned it, but I would like someone like Derek Hale. Lone wolf (har har), who lost his loved ones (maybe he's from a village in Anderfels that was attacked by darkspawn, or bandits). Despite the sour demeanor, he's a good person, who helps people, when he could easily just leave. And add a lot of deadpan and dry humor.

 

 

The grizzled looks is just a personal preference, and while the loner type would be close to Blackwall, I think this character would be different enough. 

Ditto for Sky Watcher... I hope we'll get an Avvar companion at some point.

 

He wrote only Fenris, when it comes to romances, but also Cassandra, Orsino, and Meredith. And Cassandra, Dorian, Morrigan, and Flemeth in DAI. So pretty big, important characters. That's why I'm wondering, if they'll bring in a new writer or spread the workload.

[nightscrawl]

I feel like Vanna White and Maevaris is the answer to the puzzle board of my life.

This is the best sentence I've read all week.

[Lady Artifice]

Have I already mentioned how much I want Korbin and Belinda Darrow? Because I want them both. Anyway, as for speculation.

 

I really hope for a fog warrior, and I feel like it's been sufficiently foreshadowed as a possibility. There's a trend in DA to follow up on the kinds of people we only hear about in bits and pieces, and the pieces we've heard about fog warriors have me fascinated. I'd ideally want one both as a companion and LI.

 

I think the two elves of different personalities is a safe bet for companions, but not necessarily LIs. Solas wasn't originally an LI, after all.

 

I'm always in favor of plenty of duality, so the contrast I'd like most like between elven companions would be Abelas-style ancient elf and a city elf bard. This would mean that neither of them are in touch with modern Elven culture, and they might each have some interesting perspective on the Solas situation.

 

It's time for a female qunari, preferably Vashoth, but that's just my wishful thinking.

[Steelcan]

>.>

 

BLONDE

[vertigomez]

I am officially jonesing for a Calpernia romance. She's such a compelling character - she's like Fenris's foil, where they were both in a similar situation and ended up coming to completely different conclusions. And I love her cute gap toof. And we never actually saw her die... and her WoT2 is deliberately vague as to her fate...

Have I already mentioned how much I want Korbin and Belinda Darrow? Because I want them both. Anyway, as for speculation.

I really hope for a fog warrior, and I feel like it's been sufficiently foreshadowed as a possibility. There's a trend in DA to follow up on the kinds of people we only hear about in bits and pieces, and the pieces we've heard about fog warriors have me fascinated. I'd ideally want one both as a companion and LI.

YES PLEASE. To all of this. Just... all of it.

I think the two elves of different personalities is a safe bet for companions, but not necessarily LIs. Solas wasn't originally an LI, after all.

Forgot about that. Hmmm...

I'm always in favor of plenty of duality, so the contrast I'd like most like between elven companions would be Abelas-style ancient elf and a city elf bard. This would mean that neither of them are in touch with modern Elven culture, and they might each have some interesting perspective on the Solas situation.

That would be neat! Oooh, especially if it were a Felassan-style ancient elf who opposed Solas's plan. HNNNNG SO COOL.

I would really like to have an elf companion who's entrenched in alienage culture. It's made such a big deal of in the lore, but none of our elven companions are really connected to it. Someone like Shianni, maybe? Brave and bold?

It's time for a female qunari, preferably Vashoth, but that's just my wishful thinking.

That would be a nice change of pace from all the dudes! Sten, Bull, the Arishok and aaaallll the male qunari from DA2.

[Lady Artifice]

That would be neat! Oooh, especially if it were a Felassan-style ancient elf who opposed Solas's plan. HNNNNG SO COOL.

I would really like to have an elf companion who's entrenched in alienage culture. It's made such a big deal of in the lore, but none of our elven companions are really connected to it. Someone like Shianni, maybe? Brave and bold?

 

Personally I'm rooting for an old fashioned arcane warrior type. 

 

But I absolutely loved every moment of Felassan--right up until the last--so someone with even a hint of his mannerisms would be pretty delightful as far as I'm concerned. 

 

But yeah, an actual alienage elf would be new. I think the reason that we haven't had one might be because alienage elves aren't exactly allowed to study combat...but how about an alienage elf that received a patronage in Orlais and became a bard? That could be cool.

 

That would be a nice change of pace from all the dudes! Sten, Bull, the Arishok and aaaallll the male qunari from DA2.

 

Also a nice change of pace from all the devotion to the Qun, if she's not really having that in the first place. Basically, I guess I want someone like a female mage Adaar as a companion. 

[nightscrawl]

I am officially jonesing for a Calpernia romance. She's such a compelling character - she's like Fenris's foil, where they were both in a similar situation and ended up coming to completely different conclusions. And I love her cute gap toof. And we never actually saw her die... and her WoT2 is deliberately vague as to her fate...

What are your thoughts on the whole Marius thing? It's not like they can be together or anything, but as of right now, we don't know where the comics are headed with Marius, what, if anything of the post-game we will see, which may possibly include more Calpernia. So, what I'm saying is that your hopes may be dashed in upcoming comic arcs.
 
 

Also a nice change of pace from all the devotion to the Qun, if she's not really having that in the first place. Basically, I guess I want someone like a female mage Adaar as a companion.

It would be nice to have a full Tal'Vashoth who left of their own volition (that is, not under some crisis, like Bull), who is able to clearly articulate that they see some good in the Qun, but left because of "these reasons." In short, a reasonable person who can think for themselves.

[vertigomez]

Personally I'm rooting for an old fashioned arcane warrior type. 
 
But I absolutely loved every moment of Felassan--right up until the last--so someone with even a hint of his mannerisms would be pretty delightful as far as I'm concerned.

I wonder if we'll see the Arcane Warrior spec again? I didn't miss it, personally, but on a companion it might be interesting.
 

But yeah, an actual alienage elf would be new. I think the reason that we haven't had one might be because alienage elves aren't exactly allowed to study combat...but how about an alienage elf that received a patronage in Orlais and became a bard? That could be cool.

That would be very cool! Maybe like an underclass Briala..?

Or Charter. I'd be good with Charter.
 

Also a nice change of pace from all the devotion to the Qun, if she's not really having that in the first place. Basically, I guess I want someone like a female mage Adaar as a companion.

Yes, that would be nice. Oh my gooood what if it's Shokrakar?! I loved all of her war table operations! And I'm really interested in what kind of culture Vashoth (and Tal-Vashoth) have managed to carve out for themselves... what traditions carry over from the Qun, and which ones don't? Do they fill in those holes - celebrations, ceremonies, rituals - with those of their adopted homeland? I want to know!

What are your thoughts on the whole Marius thing? It's not like they can be together or anything, but as of right now, we don't know where the comics are headed with Marius, what, if anything of the post-game we will see, which may possibly include more Calpernia. So, what I'm saying is that your hopes may be dashed in upcoming comic arcs.

Well, I'll cry myself to sleep for a few nights, but... Who knows, really? Zev's ex boyfriend showed up to kill the Warden and several romanceable characters have mentioned old flames, so you never know.
 
 

It would be nice to have a full Tal'Vashoth who left of their own volition (that is, not under some crisis, like Bull), who is able to clearly articulate that they see some good in the Qun, but left because of "these reasons." In short, a reasonable person who can think for themselves.

That would be nice. Some people have been adamant about wanting a "real" Qunari companion (?? whatever that means, since we've had 2.5 already, plus prominent NPCs like the Arishok), but I think someone who is firm about their rebel status would be interesting.

[wright1978]

That would be nice. Some people have been adamant about wanting a "real" Qunari companion (?? whatever that means, since we've had 2.5 already, plus prominent NPCs like the Arishok), but I think someone who is firm about their rebel status would be interesting.

 

Yeah i think if the game is set in Tevinter a Tal-Vasoth would make more sense than a real qunari.

[vertigomez]

Yeah i think if the game is set in Tevinter a Tal-Vasoth would make more sense than a real qunari.

Makes sense to me. I'd like to visit Seheron... there's bound to be a crapton of Tal-Vashoth there.

[Undead Han]

While I'd have no interest in having DA4's protagonist romance her, I'd be very surprised if Scout Harding didn't return as a companion and LI. She was one of the more popular side characters in DA4 and there was a vocal section of the fandom that complained that the flirts with her in game didn't go anywhere. She's also voiced by Ali Hillis, who Bioware has a good relationship with (she's done VA work in several Bioware games), and she's popular with fans of fans of Liara or Lightning. 

 

Beyond that I'm not sure what sort of characters may end up as companions and LIs.

 

I'd like to see character's with backgrounds we haven't really seen yet. An Avvar or Chasind (Morrigan was culturally Ferelden, so she doesn't really count) maybe, or someone from the Fex, assuming they aren't a beast-race. Personally I'm hoping the Fex turn out to be DA's version of the Mongols rather than DA's Khajiit or Argonians. 

 

[Sifr]

Female. Vashoth. Pirate.

 

That is all.