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#526
Jorji Costava

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Well, I just finished grading a bunch of logic exams, and they didn't go so great. I was able to fit all the questions (five in total) on just one-half of a piece of paper, and it took almost everybody the whole period to do it. Makes me feel kinda sad when I get exam results like that. :(

 

Possibly one of the dumbest moves in cinematic history, in my opinion. 

 

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#527
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Force Awakens by comparison spent its screen time ignoring the declared plot (find Skywalker) in favor of bumbling from one comedy action sequence to the next for two miserable hours.

Now to be clear, you are comparing this to a film whose plot you described as "A peaceful world was blockaded then invaded by the corporate bad guys and their robots, the heroes had to find a solution," but in which the entire second act consists entirely of bargaining with an alien on a desert planet for ship parts and a slave child. With sequences of literal bumbling from Jar Jar haphazardly scattered throughout. IIRC, at one point even Obi Wan himself said something akin to "why the hell are we doing this?" to which the reply from Qui Gon was something akin to "because prophecy."

Meanwhile, the Force Awakens opens with the shadow of a First Order ship engulfing a planet and Kylo Ren ruthlessly mowing people down in search of clues about Luke. What follows is the empire hunting down said clues, while the heroes try to escape, and hand the clues over to the Republic. The only real side-track was the whole tentacle alien thing that lasted for like 10 minutes.

There is a rebellion fighting an evil order again, Han Solo is no longer a general but a selfish scoundrel who has fallen out of love with Leia, again. Skywalker is just absent. The premise is to reset all the growth of the previous films, so from the start the new world jars with the old.

More of a terrorist organization attacking a large established empire, but sure. The film makes it quite apparent that Leia and Han still care about each other quite a bit and Han, while still the scoundrel, is hardly selfish in the movie. Their separation makes complete sense with their characters and what happened. So what that Luke is absent? He's clearly not in the same place he was at the end of a Jedi or the beginning of a new hope, so how is that a reset?
 

The plot itself is garbage. Skywalker has gone missing, presumably because he's sulking, but for some reason there's a map to his new place (partly left in R2, like he was making sure everyone heard him slam the door on the way out of the room). Instead of dealing with that our heroes spend most of their time being bounced around and redirected by things not relating to Skywalker, eventually a new planet killer is abruptly dropped into the film, after that's dealt with the plot such as it is is resolved by two droids turning on their maps.

Finding Luke isn't the end goal of the Resistance. The end goal of the Resistance is defeating the First Order. Taking out their planet-destroying superweapon and defeating their pseudo-sith lord goes a pretty long ways towards helping with that. What, did you expect the heroes to ignore all the other things the First Order was doing because whenever Luke's not onscreen, everyone should be asking "Where's Luke?" There were other things at play. Like the First Order capturing Rey. To interrogate her. About where Luke was.

Star Wars is above all else a masterpiece of pacing. Slow peaceful moments of exposition and haunting shots of the exotic locations, flow into rapid action sequences capped off by breakneck space battles.

No, not above all else. Most people don't love Star Wars because of its pacing and establishing shots. They love it for its colorful characters, the fun dynamics of said colorful characters playing against each other, the range of emotions the characters experience, and the retelling of the age-old struggle between good and evil within a person. Things that every one of the prequels either mishandled or entirely left out.

I won't argue against the point that Force Awakens has a faster pace than the rest of the Star Wars movies. It does. But that's because of how many important, urgent, character-driven things actually happen in it, unlike the first two prequels. The way I see it, the original trilogy had slow pacing and important things happening. The prequels had slow pace but very few important things happening. Force Awakens has fast pacing but important things happening. All things considered, I vastly prefer the third to the second.
 

Likewise the fantastic shots of the previous films is gone. There's no emotional piece like Luke looking at the twin sunsets. There's no dramatic shots of the scale of machinery like the various Star Destroyer fly overs, or the Falcon entering the Death Star. There is one exception to this, the truly fantastic opening shot, but alas the rest of the film did not live up to it.

Aside from the opening and the numerous shots with Rey on Jakku, there was also the TIE fighters coming in against the sunset, the star killer base clearing out entire forests as it activates, and the introduction of the planet Max Kanata was on. Plenty of scenic, mood-establishing shots.

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I am still of the opinion that the Phantom Menace gets more hate than it deserves, imo the Clone Wars is much worse movie.

 

Clone Wars is definitely the worst of the three

 

Phantom Menace at least had Liam Neeson in it :P. Though terribly misused Darth Maul



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Darth Maul was criminally underused in my opinion. But at least they explore him more with the Expanded Universe. 

 

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Ah family drama you just have to be really annoyed by it. I feel bad being to the point of completely tuning out my father when he starts talking about his relationship with his soon to be ex wife but a couple can only break up and get back together before I just start tuning it all out.



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Ah family drama you just have to be really annoyed by it. I feel bad being to the point of completely tuning out my father when he starts talking about his relationship with his soon to be ex wife but a couple can only break up and get back together before I just start tuning it all out.


Eewww, I'm sorry you're dealing with that. :( Relationship drama is bad enough, but when family's involved it makes those conversations a hundred times harder and more anxiety-inducing.

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HuldraDancer

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Eewww, I'm sorry you're dealing with that. :( Relationship drama is bad enough, but when family's involved it makes those conversations a hundred times harder and more anxiety-inducing.

 

It's less of a conversation and more of just sitting on the phone for what feels like hours going 'uh huh' 'I'm sorry' 'uh huh'. Makes me feel like I'm in high-school again having to listen to a friend who keeps getting back together with an ex they constantly fight with only I feel less invested. Still not as cringe worth as listening to my gran talk about past relationships, but much much more grating.  So long as his soon to be ex doesn't call me this time I'll be happy.



#533
HuldraDancer

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I'm sorry to be airing family drama out here so much, I just found that the situation with my father is currently a lot worse than I first thought. Worried that he's going to do something stupid which I know he is so trying to brace myself for if it's anything worse than the usual. 

 

Sorry for the double post and the thread clogging everyone.



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I'm sorry Huldra, hope it settles down soon :(

I really hate discussing relationships with my family. My eyes usually glaze over, when my brother starts complaining how he cannot find a good girlfriend. All while he is dating/hooking up with 3+ women a week. Lots of 'uh huh's.



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You didn't like Rey? WHAT!? :(


I haven't actually seen the movie yet. Daisy Ridley just annoys me.. And there are reasons.

Granted, I don't like Ben Affleck or Henry Cavill either and I went to see Batman VS Superman the other day and really enjoyed it. So you never know. If I can look the other way I might enjoy it.

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A resident BSN crazy has just made themself regular in my beloved MP section. >:(

That person also doesn't even play the goddamn multiplayer, just sh*tposting all over the place. It's not even entertaining sh*tposting it's just painful cringe flirting with any random dude who is silly enough to engage that person. This sucks and blows! *cries*

I don't know who you are talking about, but I think I might..

*checks MP to see if she's right*

Edit. Yep!! Lmao!

She even hit on me not long ago then was all like, "I'm straight". I can definitely see what people are talking about when they accuse her of seeking attention.

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My sister and her kids are going to be living with me for a while.

On the one hand, she's family and I can't turn her away while she needs help.

On the other, she doesn't have the means to pay board, can't cook for **** and I'll be getting calls from my nieces' jerkoff father asking to speak with them.
At the very least he won't be coming around after the last time he visited my house.

#538
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Now to be clear, you are(...)

 

So, funny thing, I actually misread "moves" in both your and L's posts as "movies", which muddled my response a bit. I actually don't mind them killing Han. But it was hilariously obvious and I really didn't care what happened to anyone at that point. 

 

As for the rest... I wrote out a response but it was long and this isn't the thread and I'm not really interested in going point by point on two fronts, when I don't really want to actually defend Phantom Menace



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My bike has been stolen.

This is very bad. Without it, I don't have a way to get to work.

#540
HuldraDancer

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Very minor one but dieting or attempting to diet sucks. Even for a small goal. Though maybe it just seems worse since I don't have control over what kind of food is brought in the house, still sucks though.



#541
Grieving Natashina

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<catches up on the thread>
<quickly glancing towards SW spoilers>
<looks at the DVD case for SW: TFW>

I'll be back this weekend after I watch the movie. :P

#542
Grieving Natashina

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Sorry for the double post, but I have to get this off of my chest.

Edit: It looks like my ID issues should be worked out in the next 3-4 weeks. Hurrah!

@Lady I gave you a sympathy like. I really hope your stuff works out and that you can find your bike. If you need to, give me a call later.

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I don't know who you are talking about, but I think I might..
*checks MP to see if she's right*
Edit. Yep!! Lmao!
She even hit on me not long ago then was all like, "I'm straight". I can definitely see what people are talking about when they accuse her of seeking attention.


Oh she's defo an attention wh*re alright, she's clogging up that section with so much garbage cringe posts. #$*%!!!

I do my best not to engage her, just, no, srsly cray cray. And not the fun sort of crazy. She managed to ****** off/harass many posters here, some are my friends, I do laugh thou when they start on her. Watch those transparent alts come out to play xD

@Lady Art, sorry to hear about your bike, hope you can get it back. People are dicks.

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@Natashina

That sounds way too complicated :/ I was pretty surprised that the US doesn't have a centralised ID system. Didn't know about it until about a year ago, when a friend showed me a (pretty hideous) Wisconsin ID.

I'm already wondering if I'll have any issues, since the copy of my birth certificate has an error in my surname (happens to me constantly...), and I'm not sure if it's limited to that copy. Probably should ask for another one to check it.

Anyway, wish you good luck with sorting it out.



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@Natashina

That sounds way too complicated :/ I was pretty surprised that the US doesn't have a centralised ID system. Didn't know about it until about a year ago, when a friend showed me a (pretty hideous) Wisconsin ID.

I'm already wondering if I'll have any issues, since the copy of my birth certificate has an error in my surname (happens to me constantly...), and I'm not sure if it's limited to that copy. Probably should ask for another one to check it.

Anyway, wish you good luck with sorting it out.

 

You should get another one. You really don't want any sort of document or red tape errors of that sort.



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You should get another one. You really don't want any sort of document or red tape errors of that sort.

Funny thing is I already used that copy to get my ID issued. I asked about it and received pretty much the verbal equivalent of a shrug. Probably gonna need it for migration, so I'll take care of it soon.



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Grieving Natashina

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@Natashina
That sounds way too complicated :/ I was pretty surprised that the US doesn't have a centralised ID system. Didn't know about it until about a year ago, when a friend showed me a (pretty hideous) Wisconsin ID.
I'm already wondering if I'll have any issues, since the copy of my birth certificate has an error in my surname (happens to me constantly...), and I'm not sure if it's limited to that copy. Probably should ask for another one to check it.
Anyway, wish you good luck with sorting it out.


Thanks so much. You're a sweetheart. <hugs>

You saw my update in the Happy thread, so things are looking up. There is an end in sight and I'm happy to see it. I feel like I can catch my breath for the first time since the New Year. :D

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My bike has been stolen.

This is very bad. Without it, I don't have a way to get to work.

 

That really sucks. I hope this situation gets worked out soon. 



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Grieving Natashina

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Signs that it's going to be a weird day.

My terrier, the 5 year old, got me up kinda early. No big deal, since I got plenty of sleep. The puppy woke up too. I kicked them out back, gave them food, ect. Well, they started playing. Which hey, fine by me as long as they don't start barking. I think the terrier has had enough of the puppy. She's trying to hump him at the moment. She's a fixed girl dog and the puppy is fixed too.

All of this before my first cup of coffee for the day. I dont even know what to think anymore. :P

@Lady Any word on your bike?

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Actually, I'm both shocked and happy to say that yes, I have had word. An officer called me this afternoon to tell me they'd found it sitting unlocked outside of Walmart. I ran straight over and picked it up. I am never, ever going to leave it downtown again.