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[nightscrawl]

I hope at least something resembling a reasonable conversation can make it past all of the screaming and raging about gun control, gay rights, hate crimes, ect ect.

You know... I haven't had faith that that would happen since Sandy Hook. 20 dead children.

I remember seeing the various Sandy Hook parents proclaiming that they wouldn't let this go until there was real change, but they too faded away. I don't blame them in the least; they needed to mourn and move on, particularly those with multiple children that need their support.

 

After each of these things, so many people, liberal pundits (who granted, mostly like to hear themselves talk), and even the president himself, say we need to talk about gun violence and all of that. Nothing ever gets done.

 

There are SO many ideas and concepts that are outdated in the US, holdovers from when we were colonies, living in sparsely spaced communities that took ages to communicate with each other. Most people in this country aren't in a position to need a gun; they neither hunt nor need to defend themselves from wildlife or invading enemies. The railroad, telegraph, radio, telephone, television, and now the internet has made our country MUCH smaller, so that rigid adherence to "states' rights" is keeping some states like Mississippi in the poverty stricken dark ages. Computers make it so that we can have a more accurate vote and don't need the Electoral College.

 

It's all so damn stupid it's unbelievable that the American people put up with this crap.

[Grieving Natashina]

Columbine was pretty bad too. I was in the goth comunity at the time and it was pretty scary. I had people try to hit me with a car in the parking lot of a grocery store. Friends of mine were getting harassed by cops if they jaywalked. A bomb threat got called in at the club I used to frequent. The local cops were there to make sure we were going to be okay.

Sandy Hook was horrific because of the age. I've been at a loss for that for years. It's things like that that make me think that maybe real evil does exist.

<shakes head> After talking to my mom, apparently my dad took the news as well as I did. He's better now, but he was crying too. My folks graduated from high school in '69 (dad) and '70 (mom.) They'd seen the civil rights movement first hand. Even they were shocked at the level of violence. My mom has had gay friends since high school. My mom almost never ever cries and she was choked up while we were talking. She's also almost never at a loss for words, and she was today.

[Lady Artifice]

I'll say this: It's unbelievably frustrating on top of being indescribably tragic, because a big part of the disparity of opinion and controversy in these sorts of issues is in the verbiage and branding involved.

 

If one person's definition of a word like, "control," for instance, is radically different from another person's, there can't be much in the way of reasonable discourse between them in a discussion where the word is used often.

[Jorji Costava]

What happened in Orlando is absolutely horrible and sickening on every level. The only thing I can really offer right now is this: There's a very impressive body of evidence to indicate that terrorism is ineffective in accomplishing its political goals. These f**kers are not going to win.

 

I'll say this: It's unbelievably frustrating on top of being indescribably tragic, because a big part of the disparity of opinion and controversy in these sorts of issues is in the verbiage and branding involved.

 

If one person's definition of a word like, "control," for instance, is radically different from another person's, there can't be much in the way of reasonable discourse between them in a discussion where the word is used often.

 

Pretty much. In connection with this, it might be worth reading this piece (although it's pretty long).

[Sifr]

I'll say this: It's unbelievably frustrating on top of being indescribably tragic, because a big part of the disparity of opinion and controversy in these sorts of issues is in the verbiage and branding involved.

 

If one person's definition of a word like, "control," for instance, is radically different from another person's, there can't be much in the way of reasonable discourse between them in a discussion where the word is used often.

 

Especially because in the middle of the debate over what words like "control" means, there's the inevitable backlash from the side who feel that limiting them in any capacity would have their "freedoms" and "rights" trampled on, so that any hope of intelligent discussion ends up getting derailed and we lose perspective on the larger issue.

 

While no-one's individual freedoms or rights should be trampled on, I personally don't necessarily see those as being applicable to ownership of weaponry. Developed countries tend to be societies where it's populous are no longer vassals being called upon by a lord or king to defend his lands, nor do they lack in official guardsmen that they require people to create ad hoc militias to defend against the enemy at the gate.

 

But regardless of where people stand on the issue, whether it be for or against, I do wish that everyone would at least temper themselves with common sense in the matter. As long as people are too busy focusing on trying to prove they are in the right (if their even is such a thing), they'll fail to do anything to prevent such tragedies from happening, as they have time and time again.

[Grieving Natashina]

I'll say this: It's unbelievably frustrating on top of being indescribably tragic, because a big part of the disparity of opinion and controversy in these sorts of issues is in the verbiage and branding involved.

If one person's definition of a word like, "control," for instance, is radically different from another person's, there can't be much in the way of reasonable discourse between them in a discussion where the word is used often.

<hits the like button in vain>

Should have come by sooner, but the ME section is interesting right now. For better and for worse and I'm a little distracted. Beware of AsarI eyebrows!

[Grieving Natashina]

Angry. Confused. I know I didn't violate the TOS earlier and yet here I am. I just looked over the site rules and there is no way that I broke them. I've got a second warning point for making a comment that I thought boobs were awesome. Again, nothing in the TOS says that it's against the rules to make a comment like that. It wasn't an insult of any kind, nor was it overtly sexual.

It was tagged as "inappropriate language." For saying the word boobs. Seriously. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how asinine that is.

I'm not going to fight it because it's not like most of the mods or forum heads care.

[Sifr]

Angry. Confused. I know I didn't violate the TOS earlier and yet here I am. I just looked over the site rules and there is no way that I broke them. I've got a second warning point for making a comment that I thought breasts were awesome. Again, nothing in the TOS says that it's against the rules to make a comment like that. It wasn't an insult of any kind, nor was it overtly sexual.

I'm not going to fight it because it's not like most of the mods or forum heads care.

 

I remember that post, how was anything in that against the site rules? All you said was we've run the gambit before in terms of female chest sizes in previous games and most of the time they tend to suit the character anyway, so it doesn't seem egregious.

 

Wonderful... are factual statements now the enemy?

[lynroy]

That's how I felt about my second warning point. Well, even my first which was tagged as "abusive behavior". :/ Is it too much to ask for a little consistency here?

[Grieving Natashina]

I remember that post, how was anything in that against the site rules? All you said was we've run the gambit before in terms of female chest sizes in previous games and most of the time they tend to suit the character anyway, so it doesn't seem egregious.

Wonderful... are factual statements now the enemy?

I think it was the comment that "Boobies are awesome" that did it. Which is absurd. I've read the rules three times now and I didn't not break the TOS by saying that. What the frak is up with the mods these days? This is one of the bigger reasons why I was mostly gone from the forums during last fall. I can handle awful posters, but bad moderation grinds my gears.

Plus, over the last couple of months, I've been breaking out safe for work terms for phrases that usually contain curse words. Like when I said that something "Butters my biscuits" earlier in this thread.

You know, I've read posters use terms like tranny, trap, lezzes, and lesbos, but that isn't hate speech. I make one little comment that "boobies are awesome" and I'm the one in violation of the TOS. I really think that most of the mods are just following orders, and the ones that care about context have their hands tied.

[Dani100]

Angry. Confused. I know I didn't violate the TOS earlier and yet here I am. I just looked over the site rules and there is no way that I broke them. I've got a second warning point for making a comment that I thought boobs were awesome. Again, nothing in the TOS says that it's against the rules to make a comment like that. It wasn't an insult of any kind, nor was it overtly sexual.

It was tagged as "inappropriate language." For saying the word boobs. Seriously. I don't know whether to laugh or cry at how asinine that is.

I'm not going to fight it because it's not like most of the mods or forum heads care.

I saw the post as well, that's rather sad. I'm amazed considering some of the crap that was in the Mae thread.

[Grieving Natashina]

I saw the post as well, that's rather sad. I'm amazed considering some of the crap that was in the Mae thread.

Yep. Saying that I like breasts was bad. Calling someone a trap or a tranny or intentionally using the wrong gender isn't hate speech at all. For Odin's sake.

I'm glad that Fooze cares about the average poster, because the forum heads sure don't seem to.

[Duelist]

I think it was the comment that "Boobies are awesome" that did it.

Spoiler

Might be because they aren't always awesome.

[Grieving Natashina]

Spoiler

Might be because they aren't always awesome.

I suppose so, although I was talking about the fairer sex.

Thanks for the support guys. I guess I'll keep my love for beautiful breasts to myself. $10 says that if I was a guy, the comment would have been left ignored. It's a sucker bet, because I saw the same thing earlier tonight.

Thinking about it, I'd say about a quarter of this thread has been about the mods and their lack of consistency. I hate that there is posters that have been banned and rerolled their account with an almost identical names without getting into a lick of trouble. Then again, this is the same mod team that allowed a particular poster to keep rolling up accounts with the same threads over and over again for 5 months last year. Cassandra is mannish yo.

[Donk]

Nothing like being told my hurtful attacks on others destroy "useful discussion".. In a thread about the woes of Asari eyebrows that also happens to have people say things like "degenerate lesbian"

[Grieving Natashina]

Nothing like being told my hurtful attacks on others destroy "useful discussion".. In a thread about the woes of Asari eyebrows that also happens to have people say things like "degenerate lesbian"

I'd ask if you were kidding, but I know better. Jeeze, this is getting beyond stupid. It really seems like Fooze is the only mod on the entire forums that seems to care and is in a position to do something about it.

[Akrabra]

Nothing like being told my hurtful attacks on others destroy "useful discussion".. In a thread about the woes of Asari eyebrows that also happens to have people say things like "degenerate lesbian"

Well unwanted hair has a way to create discussion, for some reason. They probably added eyebrows to make facial animations feel more realistic, but no it is breaking the LORE! I thought this forum would be better with some new information, but nope. 

[Donk]

I'd ask if you were kidding, but I know better. Jeeze, this is getting beyond stupid. It really seems like Fooze is the only mod on the entire forums that seems to care and is in a position to do something about it.

Well to be fair I'm not exactly a model citizen and what I posted was a silly meme many of my warning points are warranted. My issue lies with the hypocrisy and the inconsistency. Truth be told I don't even think the mods actually look at the boards. They just wait for reports.. And as you and I well know, bitter people like to take advantage of that report button

[vertigomez]

You know, I've read posters use terms like tranny, trap, lezzes, and lesbos, but that isn't hate speech. I make one little comment that "boobies are awesome" and I'm the one in violation of the TOS. I really think that most of the mods are just following orders, and the ones that care about context have their hands tied.

Euughhh, I hate this. I have nothing to say except that it sucks and I'm sorry, and you do see it all the time now.

[Sifr]

Sometimes the rules of this place are like finding out that your car has been clamped for being so much as an inch over the double yellow lines... while on the other side of the street, a bunch of thieves and their stolen getaway vehicle that mounted the curb, didn't so much as get a ticket.

[daveliam]

Aw, I'm sorry that you are feeling this way, Nat.  But now you join the prestigious "two warning club".  I've appointed myself the unofficial secretary.  We're a little edgier than the 'one warning club' members, but we're still goody-goodies.  Similarly, when I got my second warning, I also thought it was bullshit but didn't fight it.  The warning didn't even tell me what post it was (just that it was in a specific thread that I had posted a dozen posts in that last hour).  I emailed them multiple times to figure what it was exactly that I said that was "abusive", but I got no responses.  I even tried multiple mod-bots before I decided to just let it ride.  And, to be honest, I actually was proud that I wasn't being abusive for once, so just goes to show how different my perception is from the mods.

 

And, of course, it bears repeating, the mod-bots here are ruining the boards.  It's unfriendly, impersonal, and inconsistent.  They allow blatant hate speech, but then crack down on "off topic" conversations.  BSN is a shell of what it used to be.

[nightscrawl]

^ Perhaps things will change when it gets closer to the release of MEA, since that is the closest on the horizon.

 

Then again, if the devs continue this trend of just sticking to third party social media, rather than their own forums, probably not.

[Grieving Natashina]

I hope you're right, but things seem to be getting worse, not better. Say, do you have the link to the mod thread handy? I'd like to offer some constructive feedback on the mod team. It might not do a lick of good, but there has got to be a way to address this to someone that might give a crap.

What bugs me is that a person used to have to really earn a warning point. Calling someone an uncensored version of a mother lover, things like that. I remember when I used to see mods remove posts that had LGBT hate speech. Unless it's a slang term for a cigarette, it's left alone. I've seen some horrific stuff too. I guess I can use any slur I want against straight people, because the mods have sent the message that LGBT slurs are a-okay.

Now I've seen posters that were banned for over 6 months suddenly start returning. Folks like a poster with a black and white big chested anime babe for an avatar and an alt account of someone's name that rhymes with Lavid have come back. Meanwhile, most of the average posters get to watch hypocrisy in action.

@Donk I know, but that meme post wasn't anything worth crying about. Someone's feathers got ruffled. I think the forum heads stopped asking the mods to actually read the threads over a year ago. It seems like they've been discouraged from reading the threads and asking questions. "Shut up and do your job."

Sad part was that I was having a lot of fun posting last night up until that point. This is the kind of stuff I know has made some of my forum friends leave the site. Bad or rotten posters are one thing. Poor and mismanaged moderation is another. If the jackass posters aren't being properly moderated and the rest are getting warning points for stupid non-TOS violations, then that's going to drive more people away.

Posters like us have no one to talk to about our concerns with the mods. We're all just at the whim of the next poster with no sense of humor having a bad day. And we get to sit and read the nastiest things about women, religious groups, miniorities, LGBT+ and even how "evil" straight men are. I'd really like to know exactly what exactly constitutes as hate speech outside of racism. Oh yeah, I've seen extremely racists posts left untouched with the poster being allowed to continue to post.

Funny thing I found while reading the site rules. Abusing the report system is against the TOS and we all know of a poster or two that does that anytime their panties get into a twist.

If they don't want to deal with the BSN and would prefer to shut it down, then fine. Driving people out by hypocricy and bad forum management is a great way to tick off a good chunk of the online fanbase.

[Duelist]

They have no problem nuking posts with swearwords in private groups though. Or getting at me via PM to tell me to watch my language.

[Grieving Natashina]

They have no problem nuking posts with swearwords in private groups though. Or getting at me via PM to tell me to watch my language.

I checked your post that had the PM in it to see if it was the same modbot. It wasn't, but it was the same one that busted me last year for using only one asterisk for the F-word. Meanwhile, you apparently annoyed someone enough that a mod started stalking you around the forums.

However, I know if we go into that silly eyebrow thread and say the Asari "looks like a tranny," we'd be just fine. Or that if we were going to be upset if Mae showed up and if I call her a trap or a man, that's been allowed. Or if we act like one of those BioWare anti-fans that hate everything BW has done for X years and harasses other posters for daring to like their games, that's okay too. See that in the twitter thread all the time. So we can be hateful jerks if we want to, but only if it's in certain ways.

Never thought that me mentioning that I like breasts would be considered that bad. What's funny is that I read the same thing in another thread last night by a poster that I know is a guy.

Ugh, sorry guys. I'll go grab some coffee, sit under the maple tree in the backyard and chill for a bit. Maybe fire up some SR4 and do the Enter the Dominatrix DLC so I can get the purple penis bat and beat the snot out of aliens with it. No guns, just a rubber dong to the forehead.

I'm still planning on doing my post bout the "gay lifestyle" questions later. One spoiler though: Most gay people are every bit as boring as most straight people.