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I hope you're right, but things seem to be getting worse, not better. Say, do you have the link to the mod thread handy? I'd like to offer some constructive feedback on the mod team. It might not do a lick of good, but there has got to be a way to address this to someone that might give a crap.

 
If you're referring to the thread I suggested a while ago, I never made one. It was really a suggestion to some of you. I stick to a very limited area on the boards and if a thread really starts making me insane, I leave, so I don't have the same experience as some of y'all.
 
The ideal place to make one would be in the BioWare Forum/BSN Help forum. If anyone wants to actually make a thread, I'll happily support it.



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If you're referring to the thread I suggested a while ago, I never made one. It was really a suggestion to some of you. I stick to a very limited area on the boards and if a thread really starts making me insane, I leave, so I don't have the same experience as some of y'all.

The ideal place to make one would be in the BioWare Forum/BSN Help forum. If anyone wants to actually make a thread, I'll happily support it.

Hmm. Perhaps we should start a thread here in the group forums first. This way we'll be able to have our points to present and if we work on formatting first, it'll give us that much stronger of a starting point when we go public. I want to make sure the wording is just right.

I'm stubborn, but I'm not sure this will do any good. Han's thread requesting the return of OT was locked unceremoniously. No one was fighting, everyone was on topic but the forum heads apparently didn't care for the mods being criticized. Even if it was polite, civil and within the rules of the forum. I find that I actually care enough about this place not to let it get Freaked Up Beyond All Recognition without trying to do something.

Edit: I started the outline thread. :)

#1278
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I moved this post to the other thread, but will leave this here anyway.
 

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Modifié par nightscrawl, 15 juin 2016 - 12:16 .


#1279
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"Hetero" f'ing "phobia," so says a poster in that DAI "The romance" thread. Are you f'ing kidding me? Is this the Twilight Zone? Do these people really believe these things as their fingers are flying over the keyboard? I truly don't know whether to be enraged, disgusted, boggled, or some combination.



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"Hetero" f'ing "phobia," so says a poster in that DAI "The romance" thread. Are you f'ing kidding me? Is this the Twilight Zone? Do these people really believe these things as their fingers are flying over the keyboard? I truly don't know whether to be enraged, disgusted, boggled, or some combination.


I'm on my phone so forgive a somewhat brief response to a big issue.

I think a lot of it comes down to two things. One is the perception of discrimination that many people feel, even if they don't actually suffer real persecution. That narrative and mindset is however very hard to "logic" people out of.

I can sit here and tell a straight white man how people have it worse than he does because of prejudices and bias, but it will likely ring pretty hollow to him because in his experiences things like "white privilege" are tossed around as insults to demean and delegitimize opposition to progressive goals. Its what is helping to feed Trumpism. Sure on paper these people have it better than others but they don't feel like they do because of that perception that their life and experiences are no longer ad important or celebrated as others. Combine that with a whole host of issues that go relatively unreported such as the collapse of Appalachia and much if the Deep South, economic insecurity, and good old fashioned bigotry.

The second is that BioWare has made it very clear where they stand on the "Culture Wars" and some people just simply haven't gotten the message or reject it.

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That thread is making my blood pressure rise. I just... can't. And it all comes down to people feeling powerless and ignored, and then they get frustrated, and come to absurd conclusions about how the devs Done Did Them Wrong. You get one game where one demographic (straight women) has the edge romance-wise and suddenly it's time to get rid of all male LIs. And ignore the definition of heterosexuality.

And it doesn't matter that it's a video game - what people say reflects actual feelings they have and the perceptions that fuel those feelings, and it's just exhausting how pervasive it is even in entertainment, GYAAAHHH.

/end rant. It's been a long day.

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"Hetero" f'ing "phobia," so says a poster in that DAI "The romance" thread. Are you f'ing kidding me? Is this the Twilight Zone? Do these people really believe these things as their fingers are flying over the keyboard? I truly don't know whether to be enraged, disgusted, boggled, or some combination.

The same person that used homophobic slurs to describe Dorian. Says all you have to know really.



#1283
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^ I never saw those, but saw you reference those a couple pages back in this thread. He was also the one engaging with, er, that other person near the end of the Mae thread. Time to ignore, I suppose.



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Ignoring people is the path to the dark side!

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Romance maths give me a headache.



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This flailing pixel unicorn beautifully illustrates my mood today.

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Geez, that looks like QWOP for Unicorns or something. (I sucked at that game.)



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Welp, that thread went from lolwut to UGGGHHHH real fast.

Geez, that looks like QWOP for Unicorns or something. (I sucked at that game.)


I never played it. :lol:

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Oh i swear, one of my friends. I can't, I just can't, it's just too much for me... I'm not patient enough for that crap.
 
His girlfriend broke up with him, and it was like it was the end of the world, worse than the terrorist attack on the world trade center. He cried, he begged, he hoped, he cried, he hoped, he begged, he fell on the ground screaming, in public, in private.. with every single friend, using all the hyperboles you couldn't even imagine.
 
" Oh she killed me, oh I'm a dead man, oh she puts a knife in my heart ! She makes me suffer like hell, I will make her suffer too, until she knows what it does. " 
 
It was hillarious, ridiculous, I was fascinated, I was confused, rolling my eyes, lifting my eyebrows, remaining silent my mouth big open before such drama. You just lost a girlfriend dude, it's not your wife, it's not the end of the world. You'll have plenty of others. She moved on, move on like she does. One lost, then found. 
 
It was so over the top that I decided to be nice, even if I had little respect for such kind of behavior and spectacle, and decided to bring him with me in a bar to meet other girls. I was kinda hoping that we would meet someone that could please him and make him forget his ex- girlfriend. That has to be one of the most uninspiring and awful ideas I have ever had. I had underestimated how much he was angry and irrationally emotional. For a few days, he just literally hated on all females as if they were all bad and responsible of what happened. 
 
There were girls at a table, I came to speak to them, throwing a few jokes, my friend behind me, silent and still in a sinister mood. After a few minutes talking, they finally welcomed us at their table. Everything started well, but it quickly changed once we sat with them. A disaster.
 
My friend behaved like an idiot. He was rude to all of them, gross, agressive and arrogant, sometimes insulting them. I never was so embarassed and ashamed. They were nice to welcome us at their table while they didn't even know us and that's what was their reward. Disgusting. I was so embarassed that I didn't know what to say except " please stop, cut it out, " And finally, one of the girls as it was obviously expected lost patience and talked to him the same way he did to them. Which is precisely what he needed, an excuse to unload his anger against someone. Everything at this moment degenerated, I reached him before he reachs her, and prevented him to touch her by holding him and pushing him back.
 
I deeply apologized to the ladies, and i really appreciated the fact that they aknowledged that I had nothing to do with his behavior even if it was my fault if I brought this idiot with me at their table, and they accepted my excuses. I forced my friend to go outside with me. But the worst is just following. 
 
He was himself disgusted by my behavior, absolutely shocked. Once we were outside, he raged, screamed against me, pushed me back several times. Arguing how much I was a traitor. How friends are supposed to be loyal to death, how friends are supposed to support each other in ANY situation. I was as angry as him, but I calmy responded that me being his friend didn't allow him to behave in an unethical way toward innocent people. I also added that as his friend I saved his honor by preventing him to hit one of the girls. It wasn't a provocation, I was serious. But he took it the wrong way, he took it so badly that he violently punched me. I punched him back. And we fighted like two losers on the streets.   :rolleyes: Thanks god, there was nobody to watch us. It was already embarassing. 
 
Once he fell on the ground, a bit confused, I stopped, and immediately took my bike. I left, letting him behind. I couldn't remain with him, he was too emotionally out of control, it could only lead to more embarassing things. I felt bad all the night. Having to fight against my friends is something that I absolutely hate, it makes me feel depressive. But then everyone suported me in our circle of friends, and condemned him, so it helped to make vanish that feeling of culpability I had. I felt better. 
 
He called me the day after tomorrow, deeply apologying for everything he has done wrong, for is terrible behavior. He is a bad guy. It's just that this night he couldn't handle his feelings. Though I made it clear that I don't want to ever live such shameful and awful thing again, and that if he ever had such behavior, he should never count on my support. I'm loyal, but not to that point. He understood, and promised it would never happen again. We made peace. 
I tought it would be over, that he would move on. But no
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Four months later, meaning today, his ex-girlfriend that is also my friend has a new boyfriend, I've just seen him a few hours ago. And it's - again - the end of the world when my friend learnt the news. New drama, new spectacle from him. The same that happened four months ago. And like all my friends, i'm just like OH FOR **** SAKE ! 
 
DUDE, IT'S BEEN FOUR MONTHS SHE HAS BROKEN UP WITH YOU ! MOVE ON !  I just can't believe it. He is 20 years old for the love of god. He has time to find someone else. No he kept hoping she would come back to him.
 
And he keeps telling me " No but you don't understand, we spent good moments together ! You can't understand that. " 
 
Eeer, yeah ? Your girlfriend broke with you because she was bored to death with you, because you were unable to emotionally shake her in any way, because she felt nothing for you and since the beginning. She wanted to move on. So you might reconsider the idea that everything was wonderful.... 
 
She has so little respect for him, that she asked me on the phone to tell him to move on. She didn't want to talk to him herself. It is clear that it is over. 
 
It's pathetic to be that weak and over-emotional, I've been harsh with him today. I think that's what he needs. The more we try to be compassionate, the more he cries and thinks he is legetimately a victim of the world. And this time I won't bring him anywhere so long he is unstable. No thanks, i had it once.  :rolleyes:


#1290
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Welp, that thread went from lolwut to UGGGHHHH real fast.

"Sexual orientation IS teachable"

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Randomly, after watching the sex cinematic for both Zevran and fem Hawke x Merrill (OH GOD THE BIOHANDS) for that thread, I am even more convinced that fade to black is the way to go. That type of interaction just looks awkward and unnatural. As much as I love the one flycam with Dorian, that is still somewhat bad, even with the Frostbite improvements.

 

BUT I will say that the existence of the m/m Zevran cinematic, with the same amount of content as the others, gets points for that in terms of showing it and treating it as the others, way back in 2009 no less. And you know, he doesn't leer at you creepily the way Alistair does. >.>



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"Sexual orientation IS teachable"
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Mind passing me a link to that trainwreck? The one I was surfing was quickly deleted and for good reason.

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Mind passing me a link to that trainwreck? The one I was surfing was quickly deleted and for good reason.

Starts around here and this is the exact post. Plus some classic "I read the lore my way."



#1294
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Ugh. Well, at least I got a new gif out of it.

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god bless BSN



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I still love that the OP opened up three different threads to complain and hasn't been back to post in any of them.



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*snip*

Wow, that's awful. It sounds like your friend seems serious mental help. I thought it was bad enough when my ex-friend's girlfriend dumped him, and he was angry and upset about it for a year and a half. The whole time, talking (exclusively) about how she had ruined his life and how he should track her down (to another country) and convince her to take him back. At least he was never violent, as far as I'm aware. I dread to think what might have happened with those girls if you hadn't been around to stop him. 



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Aw, I'm sorry that you are feeling this way, Nat. But now you join the prestigious "two warning club". I've appointed myself the unofficial secretary. We're a little edgier than the 'one warning club' members, but we're still goody-goodies. Similarly, when I got my second warning, I also thought it was bullshit but didn't fight it. The warning didn't even tell me what post it was (just that it was in a specific thread that I had posted a dozen posts in that last hour). I emailed them multiple times to figure what it was exactly that I said that was "abusive", but I got no responses. I even tried multiple mod-bots before I decided to just let it ride. And, to be honest, I actually was proud that I wasn't being abusive for once, so just goes to show how different my perception is from the mods.

And, of course, it bears repeating, the mod-bots here are ruining the boards. It's unfriendly, impersonal, and inconsistent. They allow blatant hate speech, but then crack down on "off topic" conversations. BSN is a shell of what it used to be.

Ugh, I couldn't tell y'all how many times I've been whacked for simply defending another poster who was being attacked pretty hard. I think I'm on 6 points now, maybe?

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"Sexual orientation IS teachable"
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Must. Contain. Fury.

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Must. Contain. Fury.

The stupidity spread to the gaylien thread and after just 10 minutes, I've had enough of BSN for today. **** that.