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[nightscrawl]

I have added game time to my World of Warcraft account... The expansion pre-patch is coming out soon and I want to test-drive all of the changes.

 

Not sure if this is a good or bad thing .

[FKA_Servo]

I miss Warcraft.

MMOs are magic when you have a good group and everything works.

[vertigomez]

I wish I could get into MMOs. Part of the problem is that I love single-player, story-focused RPGs tooooo much, but I think with the right people I could have fun doing the multiplayer thing. I tried GW2 and Neverwinter Nights in the last couple years but then I just... gave up.

I found people using both this, and the 'shut up' version. I have no idea, which one they used in that reply. Either way, people are taking the story waaay too seriously.

I think it was the former simply 'cause of the context. I was implying that there was no way to accomplish their, uh, intended goal and then... that.

Also wiki magic.

[nightscrawl]

WoW has a great deal of content that you can solo. There are also dungeon and raid finders if you really want to do that content. I will most likely just do the new questing areas and such when the expansion is released. I did major raiding for 3.5 expansions and am pretty burned out of that kind of thing.

A lot of my time is going to be spent in pet/mount collecting, and in playing around with the new wardrobe function.

[Akrabra]

I have added game time to my World of Warcraft account... The expansion pre-patch is coming out soon and I want to test-drive all of the changes.

 

Not sure if this is a good or bad thing .

Are you on EU servers? I started playing again a few months ago to check out the end of WoD and prepare for Legion. Its quite fun actually, never thought i would get into Wow again.

[nightscrawl]

^ US servers. =/

[FKA_Servo]

I wonder if there isn't so much stuff to do now that the experience ends up being too abbreviated. You've gotta go through the rebuilt Azeroth, outland, Northrend, Azeroth again, and then Pandaria? And then Outland again?

 

I played from release until a couple of months after Cataclysm, so just a little more than six years straight. I'm of two minds about the whole thing - I had a ton of fun, and I played with the same great group of people for nearly the whole time. But it was also a time vampire that sucked away more than half of my twenties - the only time I'd peek out my head was when a new Bioware game released. Otherwise, it was the only thing I played.

 

Where did (or where do) you guys play? I was on Durotan.

[vertigomez]

I thought I could get away from the conspiracy theorists if I just avoided That One Coworker. No such luck. /weeps

[lynroy]

It's all okay, the thread is closed now.

[CrimsonN7]

It's all okay, the thread is closed now.

Huh, missed another one. Perhaps ignorance is bliss.

[vertigomez]

It's all okay, the thread is closed now.

Closed or not, look how many people took it srs. D:

Reptilians, Satan!!1, every catastrophe ever has been an inside job, Jews, the Illuminati, the Government™...

[Biotic Apostate]

I've seen three threads about the Illuminati lately, all visited by the resident racist of BSN (who has now viewed my profile with both of their accounts, not sure whether I should be worried). Gotta hand it to them though, our lives would be super thrilling if we all lived in a sci-fi political spy novel, like they think we do.

[Biotic Apostate]

Oh good, another "qun retcon" conversation, I was worried there wouldn't be more of those. And my favourite person is yet again going on how the writers don't know the lore... (where is Aveline with that giant DON'T sign when you need her). At least I've seen Gaider's response to them and for some reason it's very satisfying.

[nightscrawl]

... (where is Aveline with that giant DON'T sign where you need her).

This works for so many things.

[Biotic Apostate]

This works for so many things.

I don't know why Varric dismissed it, it's so simple and effective 

[CrimsonN7]

This works for so many things.

 

Ah hell, I didn't even know this was a thing. I could have used it soooooo many times over the years!   Had to google to see if it was legit and I found lots.

 

 

 

 

 

*frustrated sobs*

[Biotic Apostate]

Had to google to see if it was legit and I found lots.

It's actually inspired by the game (here is the dialogue, should start at 1:13). *sigh* I miss that dysfunctional family. Of course she couldn't be in Inquisition, because the game would be over too soon:

source

[vertigomez]

AVELINE GIVES ME LIIIIIIIFE. "How about I shove a canary up your coal mine?"

I've seen three threads about the Illuminati lately, all visited by the resident racist of BSN (who has now viewed my profile with both of their accounts, not sure whether I should be worried). Gotta hand it to them though, our lives would be super thrilling if we all lived in a sci-fi political spy novel, like they think we do.

Right? As it stands, I don't think the government is terribly interested in spying on me (they'll learn that I'm... a big nerd?) and I probably don't sacrifice enough babies to qualify as a theistic Satanist.

Oh good, another "qun retcon" conversation, I was worried there wouldn't be more of those. And my favourite person is yet again going on how the writers don't know the lore... (where is Aveline with that giant DON'T sign when you need her). At least I've seen Gaider's response to them and for some reason it's very satisfying.

Funny how something's always a retcon when it butts up against a player's preconceived ideas. Not like fans could ever be wrong about anything, ever.

[SardaukarElite]

The Sten and Bull's views on gender don't exactly mix well, I can understand people being a bit miffed by that, though complaining at lengths about retcons smacks of player entitlement. 

 

Of course the simplest explanation is that Sten is as wrong about the status of women in his own country as Murdock was, but I expect that's not the case. 

[Biotic Apostate]

AVELINE GIVES ME LIIIIIIIFE. "How about I shove a canary up your coal mine?"

One of my favourite lines. And one of my favourite companions.

 

Right? As it stands, I don't think the government is terribly interested in spying on me (they'll learn that I'm... a big nerd?) and I probably don't sacrifice enough babies to qualify as a theistic Satanist.

Well I have an army of killer hamsters that I hope the government doesn't know about 

 

Also, the customer fan is always right, even when they're not!

[Biotic Apostate]

The Sten and Bull's views on gender don't exactly mix well, I can understand people being a bit miffed by that, though complaining at lengths about retcons smacks of player entitlement. 

 

Of course the simplest explanation is that Sten is as wrong about the status of women in his own country as Murdock was, but I expect that's not the case. 

It has been discussed, at length, many times, but I don't see how it's a retcon. At the time people though Sten's words meant that women cannot be soldiers under the Qun, but it meant that a female warden cannot both be a woman and a fighter (as in - pick one). There was a post Gaider made in 2010 that supported the 'gender is determined by profession' claim that people thought was new in DAI. The Qun's gender politics seemed to be put in a positive light in DAI, because of Krem, but if his situation was the opposite (if he was a mtf trans person) and wanted to be a warrior, then he would be denied that. Or if, instead of a warrior, Krem wanted to be an artisan. Then the qunari would call him a woman. The Qun operates under circular logic, for the same reason mage Hawke is not a mage, because he is a worthy opponent, and why there are no Qunari defectors, because Tal Vashoth are not Qunari.

[nightscrawl]

The Qun operates under circular logic, for the same reason mage Hawke is not a mage, because he is a worthy opponent, and why there are no Qunari defectors, because Tal Vashoth are not Qunari.

This is really the only explanation that is needed, IMO.

As I said in the thread recently, I think it's a combination of factors. Bull is trying to be supportive of Krem, but is also trying to put what he knows of Krem through the lens of the Qun, because the Qun is what he knows and understands. However, Krem is not Qunari and the Inquisition is not a part of the Qun, so I don't think any of that really applies in that specific dialogue to the Inquisitor.

All of this is on top of the fact that we as players need to attempt to look at the entire situation from the roleplay PoV of someone who likely has never heard that someone being born in the wrong gendered body is even a thing. They don't have Twitter and other social media in Thedas to make everyone aware of every type of minority.

Incidentally, I think they did have a missed opportunity to include options for the Inquisitor that just didn't "get it" as it were, because I think that those types of explanations can be helpful while also being supportive. Instead, they introduced this new concept under the Qun and the focus turns to that instead.

 

Other than Bull being like, "You're my bro, bro," to Krem, which is nice, the whole damn dialogue is kind of annoying on a few different levels, which is why I skip it entirely.

 

I'm rather reminded of Dorian's cameo appearance in the Magekiller comics, which seemed to be for the sole reason of introducing a minor Tevinter lore factoid. The aqun-athlok dialogue reminds me of that. I'd like to know which came first for DAI, the concept of Krem as a character, or the method of inserting a new aspect of Qunari lore. It seems like they had to come up with a reason for Bull to accept him, but when you consider the other members of the Chargers, which include women, and a "mage," who fight, and also that he doesn't have a problem working with a female Inquisitor, or the other female members of the Inquisition, the whole thing is pointless anyway.

 

In the end, even Sten accepted the female Warden (and her gal pals) and did whatever mental gymnastics that he needed to be satisfied with that.

 

 

 

(Concerning Sten, I have this mental image of him meeting up with the Warden:

 

W: STEN! *HUG*

S: I'm Arishok, now.

W: You got a promotion? That's great, Sten!

S/A: No, that's... I'm... Never mind. How are you, kadan?)

[SardaukarElite]

It has been discussed, at length, many times, but I don't see how it's a retcon. 

 

I'm not saying it's a retcon, I'm saying it's a bit odd.

 

Sten's position was reflective of how most societies have approached gender roles. Flawed perceptions that are taken as truths, women can't fight because they're not as strong and have babies, or are too gentle or whatever. Now Bull indicates that's entirely arbitrary. If someone fights they're a man, a woman can't fight not because of biology but because she's called a woman. 

 

The Qun is arbritary, but they're also efficient and pragmatic. 

 

I don't agree with the people screaming about retcons and making it a big deal, but it also jars with my understanding of what the Qun are. Which is fine, just, I find it odd.

[Biotic Apostate]

@nightscrawl

I did find that conversation a little on the hamfist-y side. Krem is not a part of the Qun, and I don't know why Bull would find it necessary to assure him he would have a place there. But I let it slide, because BW, in both DA and ME, greatly relies on characters to be lore dispensers (for better or worse).

 

The "I don't get it" option would have totally made sense, since I get the feeling aqun-athlok is not something that the general Qunari population understand or know about, but more of a thing for Tamassrans (and their informants, such as Bull).

 

We won't know, whether people generally know about LGBT people, until we have at least a vague estimate on numbers. The same problem was with Dorian's conversation, as we talked about. In both cases it's a game of 'I can/can't ask about that, because of Thedas attitudes or real world attitudes?'

[Biotic Apostate]

@SardaukarElite 

Again, Sten didn't say that women cannot be fighters, because he followed the traditional approach to gender roles, but that the role makes them male. He said "You are a Grey Warden, so it follows that you can't be a woman." He is not denying a female Warden the right to be a fighter ("you are a GW"), he is saying that she should not be perceived as a woman. "One of those things can't be true." If the point was, that women can't be warriors, then he would just have said "You cannot be a Grey Warden, women are meant to be mothers/priests/etc." The wording in his dialogue is very deliberate.

 

I'm not saying people should have understood the inner workings of the Qun after Sten's conversation, just that the pieces don't contradict each other. I had to adjust my understanding of Tranquility after Anders' mission in 2, I don't understand, why people are so opposed to doing that for the Qun (not talking about you, but rather those retcon threads). Being confused is not a crime - language is flawed and not everyone will interpret dialogues as the author intended. But being 100% sure that the author made a mistake is annoying. So again, not directed at you, just the retcon people.