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[SardaukarElite]

 

@SardaukarElite 

Again, Sten didn't say that women cannot be fighters, because he followed the traditional approach to gender roles, but that the role makes them male. He said "You are a Grey Warden, so it follows that you can't be a woman." He is not denying a female Warden the right to be a fighter ("you are a GW"), he is saying that she should not be perceived as a woman. "One of those things can't be true." If the point was, that women can't be warriors, then he would just have said "You cannot be a Grey Warden, women are meant to be mothers/priests/etc." The wording in his dialogue is very deliberate.

 

Sten didn't say that she shouldn't be perceived as a woman either though, he said that women don't fight and so the Warden either can't fight or can't be a woman, then when this is challenged he said something to the effect of "we'll see". If the wording is deliberate then he's open to either of those things being wrong. 

 

I don't dispute that your reading could be right, but I don't think it can be said that Sten was clearly written with this in mind either.

 

And even if it is right, it still makes the Qun view of gender even stupider. 

[Biotic Apostate]

@SardaukarElite 

I can, at most, give the quote from Gaider from 2010 about Sten (I can't find a direct link right now, but I'm sure about the year), and say I don't have a reason to think he lied (or embellished the truth) about writing Sten that way.

 

What Sten meant was that qunari females don't become soldiers-- they don't live by their blade or get trained in combat. This doesn't mean that they are incapable of fighting when the situation calls for it. That would be a very un-feminine thing to do. If a female qunari persisted down such a path, however, that would call into question their gender-- socially (not biologically, which is something that really only concerns the Tamassrans) qunari are identified by their role. A qunari that fights is a male, for all intents and purposes. Every other qunari would simply refuse to see it otherwise.

 

This doesn't mean that qunari females are free to be males, if they wish-- the Ben-Hassrath might have something to say about that, as chances are they'd be defying whatever role the Tamassrans had already assigned them.

 

This also seems to confirm my thoughts that aqun-athlok is something only Tamassrans would deal with. That quote also works with this dialogue:

 

Cassandra: I am surprised you accept fighting at a woman's side, Bull. I understood Qunari women didn't fight.

Iron Bull: If a Qunari women really wants to fight and has a gift for it, she becomes an Aqun-athlok. The Aqun-athlok joins the warriors and is treated like a male. He becomes a guy, for all intents and purposes.

Cassandra: But she wouldn't physically become male, surely.

Iron Bull: Doesn't matter. In the Qun, your role is everything.

Cassandra: And... do you think of me as male, then?

Iron Bull: Depends. In or out of your armor?

The name aqun-athlok seems to be new, but the concept itself was very much present before that.

 

And even if it is right, it still makes the Qun view of gender even stupider. 

Qun gender politics, like everything concerning the lives of the qunari, is extremely oppressive, and is meant to be seen that way. It's a system, where everyone is a slave, and individuality is exterminated at every step. You are denied to even define your own gender (Krem was just lucky about gender identity + role configuration), and you are denied personhood, if you're a mage.

I don't think DA has ever presented a religious or political system, and said 'This is good.' (*as far as I know, I've just started Jaws of Hakkon)

[Lady Artifice]

And even if it is right, it still makes the Qun view of gender even stupider. 

 

 

Which, in my opinion, is just business as usual. 

[FKA_Servo]

Everything Nintendo does is completely mystifying to me. I love my handhelds, but beyond the DSs and the Gameboys, everything they've done in the last decade and a half has been like a "What To Don't" list.

[Biotic Apostate]

- Gentlemen, we need ideas. Wii U is tanking, and the NX will match the power of XBO/PS4 right before both companies release 3 times more powerful consoles. Any ideas?

- Um, like a tiny NES, but with a fixed list of games.

- Genius! The company is saved!

 

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[nightscrawl]

Cassandra: And... do you think of me as male, then?
Iron Bull: Depends. In or out of your armor?

 

 

Sigh... That is actually an interesting and pertinent question on Cassandra's part. Sometimes the humor factor of Bull's character is frustrating. Then again, Bull's obfuscatory humor = Sten's taciturnity, so I guess it evens out.

 

>.<

 

BUT I will say that his various remarks to Cassandra all throughout banter, including if she is romanced (esp. by a qunari Inquisitor) certainly show that he thinks buff warrior women are hot. Although... I don't know if this can be used to say something about gender roles in the Qun vis-a-vis his bisexuality, or not. Perhaps in that light, "pansexual" is really the more appropriate term for him.

[nightscrawl]

I thought the new tiny NES was great, but it seems like they dropped the ball in not going far enough, by adding memory card slots to load up more games -- which they could also sell! -- and so on. It seems like more people would buy if they were able to make it a truly versatile gaming device for these old console games. People ARE willing to spend the money for these kinds of things, but the nostalgia factor only goes so far until utility overrides it.

 

That said, after it's released I expect the techy people will have it cracked open in short order and be posting guides.

[Biotic Apostate]

I find that "Depends" interesting. He's joking, but it it might be showing that he's not immune to the Qun's way of thinking (on some level he also sees warriors as men), even though he's obviously different from a regular qunari. The Qun's view on sexuality is probably even more bonkers than their view on gender. I mean, the "popping your cork" comment was odd from someone, who should realise than not everyone would want to have sex with women (there probably are some aqun-athlok male Tamassrans, but not nearly enough). So does the Qun assume everyone's bisexual, even when they're not? You already have no say about your gender, why would you about your sexuality.

 

 

The thing about the mini NES is that it is probably a locked version of the Wii. I certainly don't expect them to make a brand new device just for this. It would be even funnier if they just shoved a raspberry pi inside. Either way, it only makes sense, if you want the majority of the games on the list. Otherwise, you could just buy the Wii for around $50 and select your own library, with the ability to add more games, including Wii titles.

 

I don't think it will sell that much since RetroPie/OpenEmu/LaunchBox exist. (They have even managed to get a 3ds emulator working and it makes games run in higher resolution)

If that mini NES was a handheld console, then it would be a different story, Nintendo knows how to sell these.

[Sifr]

Bull was probably completely spot on when he admitted that even the Qunari don't really understand the Qun, with the task of struggling to figure out what it all means is the job of the priesthood.

 

I reckon the average Qunari interprets the philosophy as it relates to themselves individually, their role and their approach to carrying it out. How a Qunari soldier might see the Qun is probably a lot different from how a baker might view it, as well as among others of their own profession.

 

(Similar to how Mother Giselle comments about how the Chant is understood differently depending on someone's social status, education or perspective. People find the parts that speak to them or relate to their lives, but might view the same passages differently from a noble, peasant or mage?)

 

Sten and the Arishok both adhere to the Qun and are committed soldiers, but we saw in DAO and DA2 that both clearly are different in how they approach the Qun, their role and sense of duty.

 

WOT2 suggests the old Arishok was extremely rigid in his thinking, whereas Sten is willing to consider alternate approaches to problems. This even lead them to argue once for several hours, when Sten pointed out a perceived flaw in one of the Arishok's plans.

 

The Arishok was so much of a zealot he did not wish to know of anything outside of the Qun, showing disdain and distaste throughout his time in Kirkwall. This is in stark contrast to Sten, who has shown an interest in learning about bas cultures (even if he disagrees with them often) and even an odd appreciation for their art.

 

TL;DR, every philosophy and religion is confusing, not just the Qun.

[SmilesJA]

Man 80 people died on Bastille Day. Rest in peace to everyone who died in that tragedy.

[FKA_Servo]

Broadly and generally speaking, I don't think there's ever gonna be good news again.

[Malthier]

The context of the thread wasn't terrible, that racist who hijacked it was. I should have been more clear, my bad.

 

 

I was just being sad it was locked. 

[CrimsonN7]

I was just being sad it was locked. 

 

No harm done.

 

I'm still really bummed out by the news in France. Waking up to that horror show this morning I'll never forget it.

[Lady Artifice]

Broadly and generally speaking, I don't think there's ever gonna be good news again.

 

 

I posted basically the same thing on my Facebook wall. I have no words to describe any of it. Every descriptor I can think of sounds trite, and every effort to express myself feels empty. At this point violence is expected and tragedy is the norm. The only answers anyone has involves more carnage, and the most encouraging thing anyone can say is that people must endure. 

[Steelcan]

Broadly and generally speaking, I don't think there's ever gonna be good news again.

a coup in Turkey is good news as far as I'm concerned

 

now's the time Greece!

[Biotic Apostate]

Good is not the word I would use for a situation, where the Turkish president is throwing unarmed civilians at soldiers with guns. Unsurprisingly, 2 civilians and 17 cops have died already.

[Steelcan]

Good is not the word I would use for a situation, where the Turkish president is throwing unarmed civilians at soldiers with guns. Unsurprisingly, 2 civilians and 17 cops have died already.

and good isn't the word I'd use for an authoritarian strongman who is becoming less and less concerned about even pretending to be in charge of a supposedly secular nation.

 

Ataturk would be ashamed if he saw what what passed for government in Turkey today.  He always saw the army as a bulwark against extremism and religious rule.

[Biotic Apostate]

A coup lead by a mere 100 people that is destined to fail is not going to lead to a change in leadership, just senseless death.

[Steelcan]

A coup lead by a mere 100 people that is destined to fail is not going to lead to a change in leadership, just senseless death.

you're right, much better to sit back and let a tyrant keep up his crackdowns of ethnic minorities, clamp down on free speech and religious freedom, tacitly support jihadist groups, hold Europe hostage over refugees, demand the prosecution of comedians who insult him, and provoke the Russians

[Biotic Apostate]

You know, I can still be opposed to that government without being gleeful about an armed conflict and civilian casualties.

[Steelcan]

You know, I can still be opposed to that government without being gleeful about an armed conflict and civilian casualties.

I'm not gleeful about dead civilians, I'm gleeful that there are actually people in Turkey who do have the stomach to fight against a dictator in all but name.  There were peaceful demonstrations against him 3 years ago and nothing came of them.

[HuldraDancer]

Just got my radio at work stolen and didn't notice it quickly enough so now my supervisors are upset since we have to file a report. So I'm probably going to get in trouble.

[FKA_Servo]

I posted basically the same thing on my Facebook wall. I have no words to describe any of it. Every descriptor I can think of sounds trite, and every effort to express myself feels empty. At this point violence is expected and tragedy is the norm. The only answers anyone has involves more carnage, and the most encouraging thing anyone can say is that people must endure.

We took a walk in the park yesterday and noticed that the flags were flying at half mast. It was pointed out to me that there was no way of knowing precisely which recent atrocity warranted it. That's something to ponder. And then, of course, comes the news today.

In questionably lighter news, I discovered Firefly sweet tea vodka today, and drank much more of it than is generally advisable (posting this without any typos is a struggle). I'd highly recommend doing this. Not only is it delicious, it's as good a response to all the headlines flying at us than anything else I can think of.

[Biotic Apostate]

Wha???

 

What is a ribald caustic gay, and why does that thread read like a random text generator?

[lynroy]

I see who the OP is and it suddenly makes sense.