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[Biotic Apostate]

That one's another charmer. He has a similar habit of making up new definitions for existing words. 

 

For example, his thinking that it's possible to apply "sexual force in a consensual way." 

I read that response twice to be sure it's not my grasp of the language that's failing me, and decided to just ignore it. I'm not sure in what way would a straight version of 'I kissed a girl' be considered progressive, but that's nowhere near the main issue. The sexual force thing plus his previous post make me really uncomfortable, because I can't say, if he's being...creative with language or if he has a twisted understanding of what consent is.

[Biotic Apostate]

Of course. What better way to excite a man than by revealing that you have the pharmacological regimen of a Jewish grandmother?

You mean you wouldn't want someone to seductively whisper antihistamines or cough syrup in your ear? Weird.

[Biotic Apostate]

Well...to be fair, there is a fair amount of overlap between BDSM, power, and sexual assault. Concepts like control, objectification, and force that are often associated with sexual assault are also commonly explored themes in BDSM. The key distinction is that BDSM applies those things as fantasies acted out in a safe environment, rather than as the truly harmful realities they entail.

But the issue with those posts is that we cannot talk about consent or a safe environment, when the idea presented is 'let's change the orientation of a character with sexual force.' It seems less of a problem with people understanding what BDSM is, and more with people not understanding what BDSM shouldn't be. Some seem to be forgetting parts of 'safe, sane, and consensual.'

[SardaukarElite]

The sexual force thing plus his previous post make me really uncomfortable, because I can't say, if he's being...creative with language or if he has a twisted understanding of what consent is.

 

That one has a twisted understanding of everything.

 

Sexuality apparently is less to do with what's attractive to you and more about how you express yourself. 

[Biotic Apostate]

That one has a twisted understanding of everything.

 

Sexuality apparently is less to do with what's attractive to you and more about how you express yourself. 

Ugh. It's probably pointless to try to explain that it's not how it works. 

[Steelcan]

ugh so bored recently

 

Every time I try to make plans something falls through or someone backs out, getting annoying.  Finally had dinner with one of my friends which was nice since I needed the boost, asked out a girl and got shot down. 

[Sifr]

But the issue with those posts is that we cannot talk about consent or a safe environment, when the idea presented is 'let's change the orientation of a character with sexual force.' It seems less of a problem with people understanding what BDSM is, and more with people not understanding what BDSM shouldn't be. Some seem to be forgetting parts of 'safe, sane, and consensual.'

 

Aye, that's what I was getting at.

 

BDSM can be rough, but nonetheless is something that both partners consent to and that's the reason safe-words exist, to always allow for one or both to opt out at any time.

 

Using any kind of force on someone who does not consent to it (and for the purposes of trying to "convert" them to another sexuality) is in no uncertain terms, the definition of sexual assault.

 

In-universe, it'd be just the same if we had an Asari character who gets their kicks by mind-melding with others without informing them first, because even though the act was mental and not physical, it would still be a violation if it was non-consensual.

[DomeWing333]

Well, I can understand the power fantasy behind the idea of being able to make people question their sexual orientation with your sheer sexual magnetism. I mean, it's a silly concept (that's maybe a little offensive if you think about it), but it's in the same vein as many other ego-tripping fantasies. 

 

It's the "force" part that raises red flags. And qualifying with the label of "consensual" doesn't help, it just makes it an oxymoron. But let's be super charitable and say that what he really meant was something more along the lines of "forthcoming" and "direct" as opposed to "aggressive" and, well, "rape-y." That still leaves us with idea that someone would respond to "No thanks, I'm a lesbian" with *takes shirt off * "How 'bout now?" That's like Zapp Brannigan levels of overconfidence.

[nightscrawl]

Well, I can understand the power fantasy behind the idea of being able to make people question their sexual orientation with your sheer sexual magnetism. I mean, it's a silly concept (that's maybe a little offensive if you think about it), but it's in the same vein as many other ego-tripping fantasies. 
 
... That still leaves us with idea that someone would respond to "No thanks, I'm a lesbian" with *takes shirt off * "How 'bout now?" That's like Zapp Brannigan levels of overconfidence.

I seriously would not want to know or be associated with someone like this in real life. This is disgusting behavior.

[DomeWing333]

Huh. Just got my first warning point. Did not expect that.

[Biotic Apostate]

Me too. I'm officially a troll.

[lynroy]

I see we're getting close to the end of the month and there are warning point quotas to make. 

[Steelcan]

I seriously would not want to know or be associated with someone like this in real life. This is disgusting behavior.

as long as it stays in the realm of private fantasy they arent doing any harm.

[Steelcan]

Ive got 10 now, amateur

[Lady Artifice]

Huh. Just got my first warning point. Did not expect that.

 

 

Me too. I'm officially a troll.

 

 

This is my fault guys, and I'm sorry. I know that there's a poster keeping a close eye on us and I still vented about them anyway. 

 

I am not going to be this careless again. 

[Lady Artifice]

as long as it stays in the realm of private fantasy they arent doing any harm.

 

I think Nightscrawl was talking about the act of trying to pressure someone to have sex, even if the object of that attention points out that their orientation is incompatible.  

[nightscrawl]

as long as it stays in the realm of private fantasy they arent doing any harm.

 

Believing that isn't just about fantasy, though. People with ginormous egos like that don't confine the behavior to private fantasy. Those are the same ones who actually say to lesbians that they just haven't had the right man yet. Just... ugh.

[Steelcan]

Any of you who live in somewhat drier climes should pop into my neck of the woods and take the rain with you.

 

I haven't worked a full day in weeks.

[vertigomez]

I'll take the rain. It's been 100 degrees Fahrenheit for daaaaaaays.

[Biotic Apostate]

This is my fault guys, and I'm sorry. I know that there's a poster keeping a close eye on us and I still vented about them anyway. 

 

I am not going to be this careless again. 

Honestly, don't worry about it (and technically, I was the one, who made a post about that thread first). I thought I'd care about my first warning point, but the only annoying thing is that it says "1 warning points," and OMG BW, it would take literally 3 short lines of code to fix it. I'm honestly hoping for a second one, so I won't be greeted by a grammatical error every time I post 

[Biotic Apostate]

Believing that isn't just about fantasy, though. People with ginormous egos like that don't confine the behavior to private fantasy. Those are the same ones who actually say to lesbians that they just haven't had the right man yet. Just... ugh.

Yep, when people write about it with such conviction, you begin to wonder, whether they would act so in reality. The whole thing wouldn't be so creepy, if "corrective rapes" weren't a real thing. Sadly, they are.

[Biotic Apostate]

I see we're getting close to the end of the month and there are warning point quotas to make. 

You get a warning point, and you get a warning point! 

Everyone gets a waning point!

[Steelcan]

I'll take the rain. It's been 100 degrees Fahrenheit for daaaaaaays.

well I mean we've got that too

[vertigomez]

well I mean we've got that too

Eewwww. Sounds muggy.

I'm moving to Antarctica. You all may call me the Penguin Queen, last of my kind.

[Steelcan]

Eewwww. Sounds muggy.

I'm moving to Antarctica. You all may call me the Penguin Queen, last of my kind.

today we had "feels like 104" then a storm for three hours closing down the pool, and now its just a a hot and humid mess of 91 out there.