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[Phoe77]

Well this make the world very small and poor.

 

That's always a concern, but it all depends on how extensive those character returns are.  I for one don't think that they've approached a point where past character involvement has become excessive because, in most cases, it makes sense for the people who had cameos to be involved with the Inquisition somehow.  The very fact that the Inquisition is standing against Corypheus makes it entirely logical for them to want to get Hawke's perspective on the enemy, for instance.   The circumstances surrounding the cameo could have been different, but I couldn't see him not being involved in some way.  

 

The important thing is that it isn't one small group of core characters doing everything of note in a world's history.  There may have been a lot of cameos, but by and large, all of the key events were carried out by the Inquisitor and his squad rather than previous characters.  

[Isaidlunch]

I thought DAI handed it well and I expect DA4 will be similar, we already know the Inquisitor, Dorian etc. are going to be relevant. At least it won't be as bad as Alistair and Zevran in DA2.

[Secret Rare]

No, they weren't. They were released before, as preps before launch. Both the Calling and Stolen Throne.

Then why Loghain say in banter to the warden one thing about Rowan (pretty much that Alistair was sent away because it would have ruined her reputation) while in the book she is dead long before that Alistair is born.

They couldn't have made those kind of mistakes if the books were wrote before the games

[straykat]

Then why Loghain say in banter to the warden one thing about Rowan (pretty much that Alistair was sent away because it would have ruined her reputation) while in the book she is dead long before that Alistair is born.

They couldn't have made those kind of mistakes if the books were wrote before the games

 

But they were... at least as far as the fans are concerned. Maybe Gaider finished the games first. But Stolen Throne was released March 2009. DAO came out in November. While the Calling came out a little before the game. Also Mary Kirby wrote Loghain in DAO, so maybe she made a mistake.

[German Soldier]

I think that DAI brought the reuse of characters to the next level to the point that the game looks like a sort of "The Avengers" of the Dragon age.

No less than 10 characters are faces that we saw in the past,faces of people who already were involved in other games of this franchise.

It seems that they are the only one who exists in Thedas.

I wouldn't mind to see Solas and Dorian or the Inquisitor again,i however would be impressed if we will hear again about Alistair,Leliana,Morrigan,Varric,Loghain ,Cullen and many others

 

 

They couldn't have made those kind of mistakes if the books were wrote before the games

I think you're overestimating the writers,they make plenty of these kind of mistakes,they aren't good with numbers and they always don't get right the timeline.

[Serza]

By all means, OP. Write your own variation on DAI story. I'll be sitting here. Ready to laugh at the nonsense you generate...

 

Oooh, wait. You're not actually interested in creating anything.

[Nefla]

Yes! I hate, hate HATE all the excessive cameos and returning characters in Dragon Age. In the Mass Effect series, returning characters made sense because you had the same protagonist so obviously the characters were connected. In DA each game is set in a different country with a different circumstance and a different hero so why the heck are old characters and companions being shoved in everywhere? It makes the world seem tiny and it takes away space for new and interesting characters to be created rather than sticking in a bunch of fan favorites for fanservice. Ugh

 

Plus the more a character is shoehorned in (Leliana ) the more I start to resent them even if I liked them at first.

[straykat]

Yes! I hate, hate HATE all the excessive cameos and returning characters in Dragon Age. In the Mass Effect series, returning characters made sense because you had the same protagonist so obviously the characters were connected. In DA each game is set in a different country with a different circumstance and a different hero so why the heck are old characters and companions being shoved in everywhere? It makes the world seem tiny and it takes away space for new and interesting characters to be created rather than sticking in a bunch of fan favorites for fanservice. Ugh

 

Plus the more a character is shoehorned in (Leliana ) the more I start to resent them even if I liked them at first.

 

I can understand, but if there's any character that needed a part here, it's Leliana. She's been the go to Chantry character from the start, and involved with Justinia from the start, along with being entertwined with both Ferelden and Orlais.

[AresKeith]

DA2 honestly is the one game that's really guilty of excessive cameos

 

DAI's cameos actually made sense and some had a role in the story

[Nefla]

I can understand, but if there's any character that needed a part here, it's Leliana. She's been the go to Chantry character from the start, and involved with Justinia from the start, along with being entertwined with both Ferelden and Orlais.

In DA:O she was just some assassin-turned-priest, I see no reason for her to have been in DA2 or DA:I (especially since she can be killed) rather than a new character. It's clear she's a writer's pet but I hope we never see her again.

[straykat]

In DA:O she was just some assassin-turned-priest, I see no reason for her to have been in DA2 or DA:I (especially since she can be killed) rather than a new character. It's clear she's a writer's pet but I hope we never see her again.

 

I don't see how she's a writer's pet. Gaider barely talked about her.. and Morrigan was his character. Not Leliana. He kind of promotes her role instead.

 

Not that I think he picks sides, but I think he just does what he knows best.

 

Leliana is so changable by the player too... the writers don't go out of their way to "protect" her status or identity exactly. A pet would be more off limits.

 

As for being killed, that's a rare enough choice to not be so damning. And even then, they had an interesting spin on how it happened.

[Nefla]

I don't see how she's a writer's pet. Gaider barely talked about her.. and Morrigan was his character. Not Leliana. He kind of promotes her role instead.

 

Not that I think he picks sides, but I think he just does what he knows best.

 

Leliana is so changable by the player too... the writers don't go out of their way to "protect" her status or identity exactly.

She's a writer's pet in that the writers really like her and want to put her in everything and make her important even when a new character would be better suited. Liara from Mass Effect and (to a lesser extent)Lana Beniko from SWtOR are the same way. In the future if I see a romanceable female BioWare character who's name starts with an L and ends with an A I'm running the other direction.

[straykat]

She's a writer's pet in that the writers really like her and want to put her in everything and make her important even when a new character would be better suited. Liara from Mass Effect and (to a lesser extent)Lana Beniko from SWtOR are the same way. In the future if I see a romanceable female BioWare character who's name starts with an L and ends with an A I'm running the other direction.

 

See, I don't like Liara that much, and I know exactly what drives some people crazy about her.

 

But I don't see Leliana in the same light. Liara is far more untouchable. There aren't variations of her... some of which kind of bums me out, in Leliana's case.

[AnimalBoy]

I like everyone showing up, the more the merrier. Keep the guest stars coming.

[straykat]

Now that I think about it, I probably would have liked Liara if she had some remote role like Leliana, as the Shadow Broker. And there was more input with her changes.

 

I might as well put that down as one of the things DAI did right.. the advisor roles were kind of a cool idea, even if the map quests sucked.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

DA2 honestly is the one game that's really guilty of excessive cameos

DAI's cameos actually made sense and some had a role in the story

What sense cameos had in DAI ?They were pure fan service.
Ah wait! DA2 is the one you think did it all wrong (despite it's cameos are optional) because your LI was not there Lol,while DAI did it right because she was there!
Don't worry is just normal Bsn user behaviour to be biased toward their favourite char.

[straykat]

What sense cameos had in DAI ?They were pure fan service.
Ah wait! DA2 is the one you think did it all wrong (despite it's cameos are optional) because your LI was not there Lol,while DAI did it right because she was there!
Don't worry is just normale Bsn behaviour.

 

Well, if they were going for fan service, I'd have preferred they actually continued DA2/Asunder's storyarc better. Instead of destroying it on the title screen. To me, it looked like they wanted a clean slate.

[AresKeith]

What sense cameos had in DAI ?They were pure fan service.
Ah wait! DA2 is the one you think did it all wrong (despite it's cameos are optional) because your LI was not there Lol,while DAI did it right because she was there!
Don't worry is just normal Bsn behaviour.

 

I don't think you know what fan service is

 

Then again I'm also sure your just trolling

[Donquijote and 59 others]

By all means, OP. Write your own variation on DAI story. I'll be sitting here. Ready to laugh at the nonsense you generate...

Oooh, wait. You're not actually interested in creating anything.

XD the game don't need another story variation just because of some returning characters ,you can eliminate many of these characters and the story of DAI would be the same

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I don't think you know what fan service is

Then again I'm also sure your just trolling

Fan service is using irrelevant characters for the plot of a game only based on their popularity among the fans(well some fans not all since most are new players)




-Alistair Gw and Loghain are fan service because Stroud is always alive in every world state,there is simply no need for them

Morrigan of DAI isn't necessary for the plot if the Inquisitor don't give her the well.
It is Flemeth who is relevant not Morrigan,not to mention that Solas can replace her well enough in the temple of Andruil eem Mythal.

-What about Cullen?
He jumped from Ferelden,to the free marches to Orlais to try to save the world 3 times? What an herohero!lol jump all over the world for the fangirls who love him.


-Leliana.....no i don't even want to talk about her...she is everywhere

[Gold Dragon]

But they were... at least as far as the fans are concerned. Maybe Gaider finished the games first. But Stolen Throne was released March 2009. DAO came out in November. While the Calling came out a little before the game. Also Mary Kirby wrote Loghain in DAO, so maybe she made a mistake.

 

DA:O was near if not IN content lockdown.  Gaider even stated he had taken several characters from Origins And told a new story with them.

 

Origins came first, THEN the books, but it is far easier to write a book than create a game from scratch, so the Books came out quicker. 

[straykat]

DA:O was near if not IN content lockdown.  Gaider even stated he had taken several characters from Origins And told a new story with them.

 

Origins came first, THEN the books, but it is far easier to write a book than create a game from scratch, so the Books came out quicker. 

 

Fair enough, if he had said that. Are you sure he wasn't just talking about the Calling? Because that was the second book, almost coincided with DAO.

 

In any case, Mary Kirby wrote Loghain in game, so that's probably the reason for discrepancy.

[straykat]

Considering the Well should have been in Hawke's game, I'll grant that Morrigan is superfluous. But I'm sure Morrigan and Flemeth (along with maybe Merrill) would have been in DA2 then.

 

 

But then, they had planned her being in Orlais since DAO. So she still could have had a role in DAI for some other reason.

[Gold Dragon]

True.

 

"Several years later, tales out of Orlais said that a strange, dark-haired mage had insinuated herself within the empress's court..."

 

Morrigan's Origins Epilogue.

[AresKeith]

-Alistair Gw and Loghain are fan service because Stroud is always alive in every world state,there is simply no need for them

Morrigan of DAI isn't necessary for the plot if the Inquisitor don't give her the well.
It is Flemeth who is relevant not Morrigan,not to mention that Solas can replace her well enough in the temple of Andruil eem Mythal.

-What about Cullen?
He jumped from Ferelden,to the free marches to Orlais to try to save the world 3 times? What an herohero!lol jump all over the world for the fangirls who love him.


-Leliana.....no i don't even want to talk about her...she is everywhere

 

1. That's misuse of the word fan service because they are also relevant there, Loghain get's relocated to Orlais in DA:A if he's alive. And GW Alistair can meet Hawke instead of Stroud

 

2. Doesn't make her fan service because of it

 

3. Cullen actually is fan service, but was handled well enough

 

All you've done is once again misused what fan service is for poor trolling