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#51
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Good character. Tough. She's my most used companion. And I like the scar on her cheek

 

 

She's my most frequently used companion as well. I shuffle between Sera, Varric, Dorian and sometimes Iron Bull or Solas throughout much of the game, but Cassandra is the stalwart warrior that I insist on taking just about everywhere. 


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When does she get angry? She said nothing to me when I saved Celene. She doesn't disapprove at all even when you let Celene execute Gaspard. And she actually greatly approves of Briala and Celene reconciling. Mostly because of her heavy interest in romance, but still.

She greatly disapproves if you let Celene live and rule alone, and if you get her disapproval scene, she uses you saving Celene as a reason why she dislikes you.



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This.

 

Cassandra would have gladly respected the temple if there weren't soldiers dying outside.

She refers to what you do as "heathen nonsense". Does that sound like she'd respect other cultures?


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She refers to what you do as "heathen nonsense". Does that sound like she'd respect other cultures?


I've never heard her say this, and I've replayed this game about 50 times. Does she say this to faithful Inqusitors only?

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She refers to what you do as "heathen nonsense". Does that sound like she'd respect other cultures?

 

Well.... they are



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It is kind of funny how Josie is the only one who actually wants Celene to live/remain on the throne, so we can't fault Cassandra alone for that one. Heck Leliana proposes letting her die. 

 

She refers to what you do as "heathen nonsense". Does that sound like she'd respect other cultures?

 

 

Well, to be fair, it all does feel like a waste of time, at least when you're only there to stop the enemy from gaining some sort of ancient power. From the perspective of my Inquisitor, I consider the peaceful route a gamble, betting that this path would lead to fewer enemies between her and the Well. Respect for culture is nice, but if time is of the essence, there's not so much incentive to care. And really, there's elven puzzles all over the place. I'm glad Arlathan was destroyed just for that. Can you imagine just how much of that crap must've been around in their heyday? 



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She refers to what you do as "heathen nonsense". Does that sound like she'd respect other cultures?

 

She does not respect other cultures. Someone who respects a person from another culture would not spend one of their first civil conversation with them by asking if they believe in their god and if they don't, try to proselytize them into doing so via persuasion.

 

To be fair, Cassandra is worse towards humans. She just outright disapproves if you say you don't believe.

 

That kind of attitude reminded me of these buffoons who would go from house to house, knocking and then pestering the occupants inside by asking them if they believed in a certain god and if they say they don't they start persuading or preaching.

 

 

It is kind of funny how Josie is the only one who actually wants Celene to live/remain on the throne, so we can't fault Cassandra alone for that one. Heck Leliana proposes letting her die.

 

That's why Josie is the best.



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It is kind of funny how Josie is the only one who actually wants Celene to live/remain on the throne, so we can't fault Cassandra alone for that one. Heck Leliana proposes letting her die. 
 

 
 
Well, to be fair, it all does feel like a waste of time, at least when you're only there to stop the enemy from gaining some sort of ancient power. From the perspective of my Inquisitor, I consider the peaceful route a gamble, betting that this path would lead to fewer enemies between her and the Well. Respect for culture is nice, but if time is of the essence, there's not so much incentive to care. And really, there's elven puzzles all over the place. I'm glad Arlathan was destroyed just for that. Can you imagine just how much of that crap must've been around in their heyday?

My first Inqusitor was a female Dalish Mage, and felt exactly the same as your Inqusitor about those rituals and decided to just jump in the hole. For all she knew it could have been some sort of spell/trap. Besides, her people were dying outside......she didn't have time to mess around.

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My first Inqusitor was a female Dalish Mage, and felt exactly the same as your Inqusitor about those rituals and decided to just jump in the hole. For all she knew it could have been some sort of spell/trap. Besides, her people were dying outside......she didn't have time to mess around.

 

The people who fight for your Inquisitor know fully what they are signing up for. Many of them have been involved in dangerous missions (multiplayer) and many were involved in the siege of Adamant which cost lives as well.

 

Moreoever, the greatest threat which is Corypheus, his general and a couple of elites from his army, are in the ruins with the Inquisitor and the Sentinel Elves. So your people should be able to handle the threat.


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She greatly disapproves if you let Celene live and rule alone, and if you get her disapproval scene, she uses you saving Celene as a reason why she dislikes you.

 

I haven't personally made that decision so I wouldn't know exactly, but this person executed Briala and Gaspard and got no disapproval from her. They could have already maxed out disapproval with Cassandra but the wiki says that she doesn't disapprove at all.

 

I've also only seen her comment on the mage alliance in her disapproval scene. What does she say about Celene?



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Gosh darn all these flawed characters and their three-dimensional characterization! Back in my day, everybody agreed unequivocally with the PC's totally unbiased opinion.
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The people who fight for your Inquisitor know fully what they are signing up for. Many of them have been involved in dangerous missions (multiplayer) and many were involved in the siege of Adamant which cost lives as well.

 

Moreoever, the greatest threat which is Corypheus, his general and a couple of elites from his army, are in the ruins with the Inquisitor and the Sentinel Elves. So your people should be able to handle the threat.

 

 

Personally, I prefer the reasoning that, like the other ridiculous puzzles the Inquisitor's run into, you may not even be able to get what you want unless you actually perform their stupid rituals. So like, the water might be under some magical carpet, or the well only appears to the worthy or something like that. 



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The people who fight for your Inquisitor know fully what they are signing up for. Many of them have been involved in dangerous missions (multiplayer) and many were involved in the siege of Adamant which cost lives as well.
 
Moreoever, the greatest threat which is Corypheus, his general and a couple of elites from his army, are in the ruins with the Inquisitor and the Sentinel Elves. So your people should be able to handle the threat.

Oh I agree. But from a role play perspective, my Inqusitor couldn't be sure of that and thus agreed with Iron Bull about jumping in the hole.
I've had other Inqusitors -Human and Elves- who've done the rituals, but that first play-through was all.....brand new? I suppose, and so I went with what felt right for that character.

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She does not respect other cultures. Someone who respects a person from another culture would not spend one of their first civil conversation with them by asking if they believe in their god and if they don't, try to proselytize them into doing so via persuasion.

 

 

Except she doesn't


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I haven't personally made that decision so I wouldn't know exactly, but this person executed Briala and Gaspard and got no disapproval from her. They could have already maxed out disapproval with Cassandra but the wiki says that she doesn't disapprove at all.

 

I've also only seen her comment on the mage alliance in her disapproval scene. What does she say about Celene?

https://youtu.be/LVPZOH8r4_Q?t=22m30s



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...I don't know what I was expecting, but that was pretty anticlimactic. She's more or less mocking you because she loathes you than actually disapproving of that particular choice. She seems more peeved that you bothered playing The Game than anything.


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The people who fight for your Inquisitor know fully what they are signing up for. Many of them have been involved in dangerous missions (multiplayer) and many were involved in the siege of Adamant which cost lives as well.

 

Moreoever, the greatest threat which is Corypheus, his general and a couple of elites from his army, are in the ruins with the Inquisitor and the Sentinel Elves. So your people should be able to handle the threat.

 

Except everyone (save Solas and Dorian) believe you're wasting your time solving puzzles while your soldiers are dying. Also, consider the fact that solving these puzzles might delay you from stopping Corypheus.  



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She greatly disapproves if you let Celene live and rule alone, and if you get her disapproval scene, she uses you saving Celene as a reason why she dislikes you.

 

She doesn't greatly disapprove if you let Celene rule alone. The only time she disapproved are the following:

 

1. Force all three to work together (in Cass' POV, once fighting Corypheus is done, they'll go back to their backstabbing, warmongering ways)

2. Gaspard + Briala

 

http://dragonage.wik...d_Wicked_Hearts



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She refers to what you do as "heathen nonsense". Does that sound like she'd respect other cultures?

 

In hindsight, it is. 

 

Do you think some like Sera would respect other cultures?



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2) She disapproves if your Inquisitor performs the Elven rituals at the Temple of Mythal even though what your Inquisitor is doing is simply respecting the beliefs of the Elven people. I doubt she would be very charitable if the Inquisitor decides to enter a Chantry and give zero f*cks about the appropriate rituals that one must perform.

 

Yeah, that bothered me a lot. "Why are we wasting time with this heathen nonsense?" indeed.

 

I like Cassandra, but that was in very poor taste. Especially if you play a Dalish Inquisitor who befriended/romanced her and who has stated many times throughout the game that you don't worship the Maker and you believe in your own gods. It's like, "I've been putting up with your Andrastian nonsense all game. Why don't you show respect for my beliefs, culture, and people for once?"

 

3) She disapproves of corruption and murder in the Halamshiral questline but endorses Gaspard who is not a paragon of virtue.

 

To be fair, none of them were paragons of virtue, yet we all had to pick at least one. Most of us can only justify our choice by saying why we think our candidate / combination is slightly less repulsive, or slightly nudges Orlais toward the direction we think it should go, than the others. Since Gaspard pretty convincingly acts like he has no time or patience for "The Game" during the Orlesian Ball (I had no idea he actually dabbles in The Game until I'd read the Masked Empire), I can see where she would think he's the lesser of all evils.

 

4) She disapproves when your Inquisitor does not see themselves as the Herald of Andraste, even though the evidence points in that direction and is in fact, verified at certain points in the game.

 

5) She disapproves if the Inquisitor allies with the Rebel Mages even though the Rebel Mages were manipulated by Time Magic and the Fiona is Redcliffe is not the Fiona we meet in Val Royeaux, in the same way the Leliana we know and the Leliana we meet in the Dark Future is not the same due to time manipulation which resulted in a different timeline.

 

6) At the same time, she approves if you ally with the Templars even though the Templars were manipulated by a demon that was put there by the Lord Seeker, which is an internal struggle due to the flaw in Templar administration but that's okay. However, people being affected by reality altering time magics that had never been seen before, even by an Elven "God", need to be locked up in a tower.

 

7) Cassandra's attitude towards mages in general due to the death of her brother at the hands of blood mages is not an excuse. Most mages we meet in this game with the exception of the Venatori mages are not blood mages.

 

8) The biggest red flag is how she does not reverse her disapproval if what she initially disapproved of is shown to be wrong. Now you could argue that this is an in-game flaw but its there. She does not change her opinions on mages, magic, templar, nobility, etc no matter the evidence and no matter what our character has to say. Some might say that such behavior is that of a "strong and independent woman" but to me, its the behavior of a person of faith refusing to change their perception of reality in the face of new evidence.

 

Not to mention she spends most of the game openly suspecting mages of foul play and blaming them for the majority of the war, even when Templars are shown to be just as suspicious and/or at fault throughout the game. For example, when running around killing rogue mages and Templars in the Hinterlands, Cassandra frequently says things like, "Do you see this? The mages have gone mad with power!" While other companions (like Solas and Varric) keep having to remind her, "I see just as many Templars" or "The Templars aren't looking any better." When Fiona approaches you in Val Royeaux, Cassandra immediately accuses her of killing the Divine because she wasn't at the Conclave, even though Lord Seeker Luscious was also supposed to be there, also didn't show up, and you literally just saw him acting like an uncharacteristically evil, ambitious, power-grabbing villain. Once you get back to Haven, Cassandra then advises against going to the mages for help since it could be a trap, to which Josephine has to remind her, "The same could be said about the Templars."

 

In general, I really don't like Cassandra excusing or overlooking the same flaws in the Seekers and Templars that she jumps to condemn for the mages. (That kind of attitude from Seekers is a huge part of why some Templars were able to abuse their power over mages so badly over so many centuries that eventually tensions caused both groups to snap and lead to the war in the first place.)


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Not to mention she spends most of the game openly suspecting mages of foul play and blaming them for the majority of the war, even when Templars are shown to be just as suspicious and/or at fault throughout the game. For example, when running around killing rogue mages and Templars in the Hinterlands, Cassandra frequently says things like, "Do you see this? The mages have gone mad with power!" While other companions (like Solas and Varric) keep having to remind her, "I see just as many Templars" or "The Templars aren't looking any better." When Fiona approaches you in Val Royeaux, Cassandra immediately accuses her of killing the Divine because she wasn't at the Conclave, even though Lord Seeker Luscious was also supposed to be there, also didn't show up, and you literally just saw him acting like an uncharacteristically evil, ambitious, power-grabbing villain. Once you get back to Haven, Cassandra then advises against going to the mages for help since it could be a trap, to which Josephine has to remind her, "The same could be said about the Templars."

 

In general, I really don't like Cassandra excusing or overlooking the same flaws in the Seekers and Templars that she jumps to condemn for the mages. (That kind of attitude from Seekers is a huge part of why some Templars were able to abuse their power over mages so badly over so many centuries that eventually tensions caused both groups to snap and lead to the war in the first place.)

 

To be fair, an explosion like the Breach that resulted in rifts and demons appearing out of it would be considered magic in a sense. Cassandra would suspect mages as the primary suspects until she found out  the truth about Corypheus and the Grey Wardens. As for Luscious, Cass knew him well before as a fair man and not prone to ambition. What we saw at Val Royeaux was Envy disguising as Luscious. Cass was surprised at his behavior.  

 

I would admit, as a Cassandra fan, she is a bit short sighted on certain things. 



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To be fair, an explosion like the Breach that resulted in rifts and demons appearing out of it would be considered magic in a sense. Cassandra would suspect mages as the primary suspects until she found out  the truth about Corypheus and the Grey Wardens. As for Luscious, Cass knew him well before as a fair man and not prone to ambition. What we saw at Val Royeaux was Envy disguising as Luscious. Cass was surprised at his behavior.  

 

I would admit, as a Cassandra fan, she is a bit short sighted on certain things. 

That doesn't change the fact that she was not so subtly saying she thought the mages were guilty merely because Fiona wasn't at the Conclave despite Lucius also not being at the Conclave.

 

Also didn't change the fact that she only focused on the bad things the fanatic mages were doing despite the fanatic templars also doing things just as bad.

 

 

I like Cassandra but that doesn't mean she isn't short-sighted, impulsive, and hypocritical.



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 Cassandra is a liar.



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 Cassandra is a liar.

 

 Cassandra is a liar.

 

Will you ask for her birth certificate or her letters? 



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 Cassandra is a liar.

 

 

Says the yak hair caddy cap with the orange man growing underneath that can't get his stories straight!