I was remembering how there was never really a memorial service for many dead squadmates in the trilogy except for when Eve dies (I believe that happens if you don't save Maelon's data) and at the end for Admiral Anderson and if Shepard dies.
I am guessing that ME:A will be a slower-paced game than the trilogy, where we are racing to defeat the Reapers, which would allow more life events to be seen in the game, like funerals, weddings, birthdays, etc.
I agree. And I'd like to see them do this but I hope they won't drag it out too much if and when they do the scenes. I don't like too much drama in games. Of course it depends on what it is but a thing like a funeral/memorial service can be very heavy.
I do agree with the notion of funerals I mean if you are soldiers, it makes sense that there would indeed be a service.
Plus at funerals you get the chance to rally the troops, remind them of what they fight for, what they die for.
Boost morale.
Oh absolutely, I want a birthday party for every squad mate, with cake, confetti, spin the bottle and drunken encounters.
Then the next party would come round and they'd re-gift whatever you gave them to the next person and you'd be totally pissed with them, and someone would complain the cake isn't vegan whilst someone else is offended by the stereotypes of the Disney princesses on the balloons.
Yup, that's how I want my Mass Effect experience to be.
Seriously tho, an occasional moment to pay your respects to a beloved crew member can be incredibly moving, but overdoing it would instantly kill any emotion and make it trite. It's a difficult line to tread.
ME3 has a few instances of this. There's a sort of memorial service for Thane in the Citadel dlc. Ashley and Steve both go and visit the memorial wall on the Citadel to think of lost loved ones. The crew potentially adding Shepard's name to the list of dead on the Normandy. Even Javik's memory shard has elements of it.
I really like the idea. Team mates and other important people are characters that we get attached to (as does our protagonist), so I feel like we should be able to give them a send-off. It doesn't have to be something complex, just something that shows they're remembered and missed.
Personally i am not overly fond of this, but as mentioned above if done right it can be emotional and impactful. I think Mass Effect 3 did it best, but it fit the theme of the game, and it was also the conclusion to the trilogy, we were meant to say goodbye. In the original Mass Effect we didn't even have a memory service for Kaidan or Ashley, and i didn't really mind. I think they did a good job through the other games to remind you of those you lost, just occasionally remind you in a subtle way, which was very well done. Still it is not like Bioware hasn't done good scenes like this. Dragon Age has had both marriages and funerals without it feeling tacked on or awkward, so bring it on if it fits the context of the story.
Maybe we don't need to nuke the word budget with 80 funerals, but that deaths are barely even acknowledged by anyone most of the time is really disconcerting. I mean, a friend and comrade of theirs for in some cases 2-3 years dies horribly and everyone's just hanging in the kitchen cooking or playing cards? Lets not even get into Commander Brick not having any real option to give a **** unless it's some random kid or asari dying. Makes them feel less like actual people and more like intentionally expendable pixels, when the point of the narrative should be the opposite.
At least Miranda gets a single person distraught and drinking to her memory, and Thane gets his due in DLC. Mordin, Wrex, Tali, either VS, Legion, Kasumi, Samara, Jack, Zaeed, Jacob? Ha, literally noone cares about those losers(inb4 Jacob). Let's go play some snooker and engage in party shenanigans, gaise.
Hmmm... not sure. f there's to be a wedding involving the player character and whatever LI, it should, I think, be completely optional. From that same perspective, I liked that Thane's memorial was part of the Citadel DLC, so the player really did have the option of just skipping over it if they felt it didn't really fit with how they constructed their character to feel about Thane. However, those who didn't buy the DLC and who romanced Thane probably felt that it should have been part of the main game. I also agree that it is something that can easily be overdone and it is a "difficult line to tread."
STEVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARGH!
We do need more funerals and/or memorial services. As QMR said, it was silly that characters that were with us from the beginning got no real attention after their demise.
RIP Legion.
Maybe we don't need to nuke the word budget with 80 funerals, but that deaths are barely even acknowledged by anyone most of the time is really disconcerting. I mean, a friend and comrade of theirs for in some cases 2-3 years dies horribly and everyone's just hanging in the kitchen cooking or playing cards? Lets not even get into Commander Brick not having any real option to give a **** unless it's some random kid or asari dying. Makes them feel less like actual people and more like intentionally expendable pixels, when the point of the narrative should be the opposite.
At least Miranda gets a single person distraught and drinking to her memory, and Thane gets his due in DLC. Mordin, Wrex, Tali, either VS, Legion, Kasumi, Jack, Zaeed, Jacob? Ha, noone cares about those losers(inb4 Jacob). Let's go play some snooker and engage in party shenanigans, gaise.
Inserting a full-blown memorial for Legion that wasn't completely optional would have probably exploded in a real controversy (just saying). I agree with you though, they could have perhaps just briefly shown Shepard adding each name to the wall on the Normandy as each one died (if they died).
Inserting a full-blown memorial for Legion that wasn't completely optional would have probably exploded in a real controversy (just saying). I agree with you though, they could have perhaps just briefly shown Shepard adding each name to the wall on the Normandy as each one died (if they died).
For Legion? Considering that every Shepard (also Tali) in every playthrough which activates it is already autodialouged into "him" being your beloved brobot and putting it on the wall no matter how you (both) treated it in ME2, and hardly anyone in the playerbase cares, I don't think there'd be much controversy. Legion wasn't a favourite for me (ME3 version was quite the opposite in fact), but it's obvious Shepard and at least a couple others (Tali, EDI) are close to it regardless, unless you just never activate it. They should do something to display they care more about it than a token line or two before getting back to comedy routines.
For Legion? Considering that every Shepard (also Tali) in every playthrough which activates it is already autodialouged into "him" being your beloved brobot and putting it on the wall no matter how you (both) treated it in ME2, and hardly anyone in the playerbase cares, I don't think there'd be much controversy. Legion wasn't a favourite for me (ME3 version was quite the opposite in fact), but it's obvious Shepard and at least a couple others (Tali, EDI) are close to it regardless, unless you just never activate it. They should do something to display they care more about it than a token line or two before getting back to comedy routines.
I was upset that Legion wasn't in the Citadel DLC. I would of loved to do some air thrusts with him. Maybe learn what tickled his platform.
I was remembering how there was never really a memorial service for many dead squadmates in the trilogy except for when Eve dies (I believe that happens if you don't save Maelon's data) and at the end for Admiral Anderson and if Shepard dies.
I hope we won't lose many squadmates in Andromeda.
I was upset that Legion wasn't in the Citadel DLC. I would of loved to do some air thrusts with him. Maybe learn what tickled his platform.
I was surprised there wasn't even a mention for such a fan favourite as Legion in Citadel. Mordin was functionally dead or in hiding, but we still got a datapad with him, for instance. Legion fans definitely got shafted (as if the sudden pinnochiofication character derailment garbage wasn't bad enough).
For Legion? Considering that every Shepard (also Tali) in every playthrough which activates it is already autodialouged into "him" being your beloved brobot and putting it on the wall no matter how you (both) treated it in ME2, and hardly anyone in the playerbase cares, I don't think there'd be much controversy. Legion was far from a favourite for me, but it's obvious Shepard and at least a couple others (Tali, EDI) are close to it regardless, unless you just never activate it. They should do something to display they care more about it than a token line or two before getting back to comedy routines.
I thought Tali's "I'm mourning a geth line was pretty descriptive and certainly hasn't been anything humorous in how that whole scene plays out in any playtrhough I've done so far. People seem upset enough about being autodialogued... I would have thought they would get more upset into being railroaded into a "full-blown" funeral for it. I do think it would have been nice to have had the option to not mourn Legion at all. I suppose they could have added a datapad from Legion similar to what they did with Mordin.
I find it more odd, actually, that Shepard can get the email about Reegar dying in ME3 (if he didn't die on Haestrom) and Tali goes on drunkenly about Miranda and doesn't mention Reegar at all (or at least she hasn't mentioned Reegar at all for me). If it's that she didn't know about Reegar's death when getting drunk, it might have been nice if Shep had an opportunity to break the news to her at some point in the game.
A wedding seems nice...
With all this talk of romance, I hope BioWare includes many romance story arcs.
My characters are based off of me. So, if it was my characters wedding, I would want to make my vows sound cheesy and space fiction-y...
I promise to do my best to keep you happy, because you warm me up and light up my world like a star. Why do I mention a star? Because you are the center of my system.
I would also like the wear whatever I want. My violet body armor, and a violet fedora hat with a feather in it.
I suppose I am over thinking. Regardless, I am not opposed to a wedding. Especially if the reception is full of funny dialogue from whoever our crewmembers are.
As if anything else gets discussed around here.
I thought Tali's "I'm mourning a geth line was pretty descriptive and certainly hasn't been anything humorous in how that whole scene plays out in any playtrhough I've done so far. People seem upset enough about being autodialogued... I would have thought they would get more upset into being railroaded into a "full-blown" funeral for it. I do think it would have been nice to have had the option to not mourn Legion at all. I suppose they could have added a datapad from Legion similar to what they did with Mordin.
The fact that she still gets that line even if the "friend" she just "murdered" was the "not Legion" doppelganger for ME2 Legion (that she even called a "thing" a few times just beforehand) serves as a perfect example of how much of a lazy afterthought it was.
The railroading is annoying given how we could approach our relationship to Legion in ME2, but I don't think a little memorial would have made it any worse than it already was. There's already no option to play a Shep who is pro AI technologies, but doesn't think of them as people (ala Admiral Xen or Gavin Archer). If you wanna be an anti AI Luddite, you just never reactivate Legion in ME2, and then you never get railroaded to calling a toaster your "friend", and can even tell the Geth VI to literally go find the airlock when it starts whining, at least (still can do nothing about EDI though).
Reegar just got the shaft in ME3 in general, so that Tali forgets he ever existed at all is unsurprising. He should have appeared somewhere during Rannoch (maybe helping rescue Koris or running another team on the Dreadnought/ Reaper base), not a goddamn Email and a DLC gun, but I imagine a common sympathetic quarian wouldn't have jibed with the rest of the toaster hugging narrative. Given how badly Han'Gerrel got villainized into a ruthless, literal ideological punching bag from his amicable ME2 version, it's probably for the best that whoever was writing Rannoch arc in ME3 didn't put their hands on Reegar and attemt to do something similar.
@Master Warder Z: So... you're saying only soldiers have funerals?
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I am all for any slice of life type moments so long as they're written well and not done simply to evoke some emotion - but instead are used to move the story forward.
They would be excellent moments for the player to provide insight about how his version of the main character perceives the situation.
For example Master Warder Z sees a funeral as a good time to make speeches and boost morale... I do not. It would be a great opportunity for both characters to showcase "who they are" in game.
The fact that she still gets that line even if the "friend" she just "murdered" was the "not Legion" doppelganger for ME2 Legion (that she even called a "thing" a few times just beforehand) serves as a perfect example of how much of a lazy afterthought it was.
The railroading is annoying given how we could approach our relationship to Legion in ME2, but I don't think a little memorial would have made it any worse than it already was. There's already no option to play a Shep who is pro AI technologies, but doesn't think of them as people (ala Admiral Xen or Gavin Archer). If you wanna be an anti AI Luddite, you just never reactivate Legion in ME2, and then you never get railroaded to calling a toaster your "friend", and can even tell the Geth VI to literally go find the airlock when it starts whining, at least (still can do nothing about EDI though).
Reegar just got the shaft in ME3 in general, so that Tali forgets he ever existed at all is unsurprising. He should have appeared somewhere during Rannoch (maybe helping rescue Koris or running another team on the Dreadnought/ Reaper base), not a goddamn Email and a DLC gun, but I imagine a common sympathetic quarian wouldn't have jibed with the rest of the toaster hugging narrative. Given how badly Han'Gerrel got villainized into a ruthless, literal ideological punching bag from his amicable ME2 version, it's probably for the best that whoever was writing Rannoch arc in ME3 didn't put their hands on Reegar and attemt to do something similar.
I would have liked to have had Reegar appear... even just a little clip like Kirrahe (if you also kept Thane alive). I've never punched out Gerrel yet... may instinct on that has always been just to tell him to warn me next time. However, I do find the destruction of the geth dreadnaught to be somewhat "illogical" given it's obvious size and power and potential usefulness as a fighting warship without necessarily bringing the geth themselves onside.
I do agree that the more "neutral" position of being in favor of utilizing AI without personifying them is not well developed overall. From an intensely personal perspective (so please be respectful here), I tend to believe that the geth were put into the game to somewhat symbolize other disenfranchised human groups (like person's with autism) and that the Overlord DLC was, in part, meant to yet again highlight that "connection." As a result, I can see my way to playing the geth from a very "humanizing" perspective without getting overly worked up about it. It's tougher watching the "world" treat someone you love with about as much regard as they give their "toaster" because they believe that person is incapable of love... when you know they can love as well as anybody else.
I can also completely disconnect myself from that perspective, not activate Legion as you say, and play the geth as AI baddies and side with the quarians all the way. That said, I would have liked to have had more opportunity to play that more "neutral" ground that you describe as well... but as you've noted, the dialogue to do that just really isn't there.
The fact that she still gets that line even if the "friend" she just "murdered" was the "not Legion" doppelganger for ME2 Legion (that she even called a "thing" a few times just beforehand) serves as a perfect example of how much of a lazy afterthought it was.
The railroading is annoying given how we could approach our relationship to Legion in ME2, but I don't think a little memorial would have made it any worse than it already was. There's already no option to play a Shep who is pro AI technologies, but doesn't think of them as people (ala Admiral Xen or Gavin Archer). If you wanna be an anti AI Luddite, you just never reactivate Legion in ME2, and then you never get railroaded to calling a toaster your "friend", and can even tell the Geth VI to literally go find the airlock when it starts whining, at least (still can do nothing about EDI though).
Reegar just got the shaft in ME3 in general, so that Tali forgets he ever existed at all is unsurprising. He should have appeared somewhere during Rannoch (maybe helping rescue Koris or running another team on the Dreadnought/ Reaper base), not a goddamn Email and a DLC gun, but I imagine a common sympathetic quarian wouldn't have jibed with the rest of the toaster hugging narrative. Given how badly Han'Gerrel got villainized into a ruthless, literal ideological punching bag from his amicable ME2 version, it's probably for the best that whoever was writing Rannoch arc in ME3 didn't put their hands on Reegar and attemt to do something similar.
Even if you chose to activate Legion you could still side against it.
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