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[Vespervin]

How about...



Time to assimilate the species of Andromeda.

[Xerxes52]

If we get a humanoid AI squad mate, accept no substitutes:

 

[LightningPoodle]

If we get an AI in a body (similar to EDI where the body was made to look human), what if the body instead looked like that of another species within the game? Humans shouldn't be the only ones that can build infiltration units.

[Rascoth]

If we get an AI in a body (similar to EDI where the body was made to look human), what if the body instead looked like that of another species within the game? Humans shouldn't be the only ones that can build infiltration units.

I want one looking like salarian. Maybe it would beat actual salarians in craziness department.

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I doubt it, but we can give it a shot.

[Prince Enigmatic]

Six pages in, and no mention of Cortana?!

[LightningPoodle]

I want one looking like salarian. Maybe it would beat actual salarians in craziness department.

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I doubt it, but we can give it a shot.

 

I was thinking Salarian as well. STG would find an artificial infiltration unit useful, right?

[Kabooooom]

Six pages in, and no mention of Cortana?!

Cortana kind of jumped the shark.

[Vespervin]

Meh. I stopped caring about Cortana when Halo 4 came out.

 

Edit: I hope the AI Serena is in Halo Wars 2 with the same VA.

 

Thank you for sharing that idiom, Kabooooom. I just learned what "jump the shark" means.

Modifié par Vespervin, 12 mars 2016 - 06:41 .

[Tatar Foras]

What we really need is an AI with the personality of KLEO

 

[Kabooooom]

Meh. I stopped caring about Cortana when Halo 4 came out.

Edit: I hope the AI Serena is in Halo Wars 2 with the same VA.

Major spoilers...youve been warned...





He really brilliantly ended Cortana's story with Halo 4. She should have stayed dead. But her return was super predictable (there's no way 343 would let such an iconic character stay dead) and her metamorphosis in Halo 5 was likewise predictable for anyone who knows about Halo lore and the likelihood that it was actually just a rampant fragment of Cortana that survived. But the plot of H5 was executed very poorly. I still enjoyed it, but the Cortana thing should have been more of a backdrop and they should have further explored the Chief-Locke dichotomy like the advertising for the game suggested they would. Ending the game like that fundamentally changed the galactic landscape of Halo almost as much as Mass Effect 3's endings did. They've set her up to be unbeatable by conventional means. Like the Reapers and ME3, I foresee trouble with that plot direction.

[Vespervin]

Hard to disagree with you there.

[Draining Dragon]

As far as AI's go Shodan trumps all.
 

Indeed.

Excuse me, I need to go redownload System Shock 2.

[Quarian Master Race]

Underlined: source? Unless you mean after peace is achieved, which is near the end of the game and therefore doesn't count.

Btw scub, by ME3 both the Widow and Claymore were redesigned to keep their stopping power but lower their recoil so lesser creatures could fire them. You're welcome. You suit rats have enough health problems as it is, without breaking your own damn spines trying to shoot the enemy.

You're right about the Arc Pistol and Reegar. But don't get too uppity. Isn't it time for your antibiotics?

Primary codex includes the common in universe rumour that quarians are "cybernetic creatures". Kaidan will ask Tali about this in an elevator conversation (which I can't seem to find), and she partially confirms it, though denies that it's to the extent that she's legally a synthetic. In an on ship conversation in ME2 she indicates that everyone gets fitted with at least implants related to the immune system for Pilgrimage as well. ME2 skill descriptions in the Quarian Machinsist tree also cite cybernetics being responsible for her health increases (along with skill in engineering firearms for damage increases). I'm guessing the implants are what the stupid lines on her face and neck in the lazy stock model photoshop are supposed to be.

Oh, don't forget about Harby's assesment: "Quarian, considered due to cybernetic augmentation. Weakened immune system too debilitating". See, considered. ME2 was almost about fighting an exo suited, 3 eyed Arnoldbot.

I know, but even still it seems a typical humanoid species still needs augmentation to carry and fire at least the Widow in a practical fashion.
http://masseffect.wi...ali_Sniper_Unit

Damn right I'm......right. Literally the two most gamebreakingly effective weapons in the MEverse were made by quarians. The Widow is something that could be thought up in one of Xen's lunch breaks from pulling apart toasters (with lunch served by a hacked one, obviously).

Actually the elcor are a viable possibility. Higher gravity world, denser forms, and I could see such a powerful cannon being designed to be platform mounted before it was made hand portable. It'd be a popgun to them.

Also the first Widow we see is aboard the Collector ship. It's possible the ultra-powerful version we know is actually Collector built or modified, though the former is unlikely seeing as it doesn't look like it came off a bug.

Elcor aren't bipedal so the ergonomics doesn't make sense for them (how would they shoulder and get a cheek weld?). If it was modified for use by biped species or mechs from something mounted on their back and fired remotely, that'd be cool, but why the hell would they leave hella awesome lore like that out?

Collectors are cyborgs, and therefore they could probably fire the Widow, so this is a possibility, but it's really just speculation. We know they have their own sniper rifles and they're more beam based and organic looking like all their tech, so it being their design wouldn't make much sense. We know the Revenant and Claymore aren't, for instance. It could have been a weapons just dumped there after being picked up at a colony they raided (there's precedent for aliens in human colonies ala Veetor, so they could have been knicked off a krogan, turian, quarian etc.).

Unlikely. They did get kickbanned from their world by their very own "toasters".

I don't know... They did lose a war to a bunch of toasters

Only relevant as an argument against us if someone else managed to do something against them we couldn't. The Council species just cowered in their space clenching their buttholes for 300 years, so they've no room to get uppity. Hell, they were so frightened of the loss the geth would have inflicted upon them that they severed ties with us for fear of being attacked by association.

As for the humans, how's Project Overlord going? Oh, there's also the Hannibal AI/ EDI, which rebelled against its creators and resulted in their complete destruction on two seperate occasions, so there's that. I don't even wanna know what would happen if you primitives tried anything larger scale than a few isolated experiments and prototypes.

We come back and successfully finish the job when no one else would, anyway. It's not our fault the Reapers admit the willing losers into their slave army (like they wouldn't have done so, anyway). That one's kinda on the lolCouncil ignoring they existed and practically letting the Reapers win when they should've been killed off in dark space about 2 years ago. Another example of how they are unfit to rule, and we should instead.

I would gladly greet you in the true thunderdome (not an imitation of it), but be warned my bungy fighting skills have been described as satisfactory, adequate, tolerable and unexceptional.

System and GT, scrub.

[MichaelN7]

It would be a unique call-back to have the ship's VI grow and develop to the point where it asks the question:

"Does this unit have a soul?"

 

Everything we hear/see about the Geth/Quarian conflict is from after-the-fact.  Yes, we (as Shepard) get to resolve it one way or another, but it would be something new to be in that kind of situation, but from the very beginning.

 

It could also introduce a plot point for the next game, if there's any sort of save-import/Keep:

 

"Did ALEX (Autonomous Logistical Enter/Exit eXtrapolator) gain sentience?"

YES

"ALEX grew into his own person, despite the inherent risk of A.I."

NO

"ALEX was quickly brought down, with the crew not wanting to jeopardize the ship's safety."

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

 

Kill him, my robots...

 

What we really need is an AI with the personality of KLEO

 

 

 

Kleo is best sales rep.

[Laughing_Man]

Part of me is actually hoping that squadmate isn't an AI, since we've had that with Legion and EDI, but instead is a Virtual Alien inside a platform.

 

Hmm... Interesting, I'm wondering what's the difference, if there's any.

 

I mean, an uploaded consciousness is very similar for an AI, aside from potential memories of being an organic, memories that you can actually assign to a "real" AI as well, I think that the line is very blurry between the two.

[Geth Supremacy]

Hmm... Interesting, I'm wondering what's the difference, if there's any.

 

I mean, an uploaded consciousness is very similar for an AI, aside from potential memories of being an organic, memories that you can actually assign to a "real" AI as well, I think that the line is very blurry between the two.

 

Legion was not a squadmate either.  You literally got him for like 2 missions and not at all the next game.  One of the worst things about the series.

[Quarian Master Race]

Hmm... Interesting, I'm wondering what's the difference, if there's any.

 

I mean, an uploaded consciousness is very similar for an AI, aside from potential memories of being an organic, memories that you can actually assign to a "real" AI as well, I think that the line is very blurry between the two.

Yeah, I don't think there's any functional difference.

Virtual aliens aren't the only who did this. Quarian incentivization into AI research was partly motivated by secular ancestor reverence, and attempting to preserve the minds of the dying in virtual form. We don't get much insights into this other than the codex, though, as the geth destroyed the ancestor databanks, and it seems the quarians stopped the practice in favour of returning to more traditional religious beliefs.

http://masseffect.wi...rians:_Religion
 

[Quarian Master Race]

Legion was not a squadmate either.  You literally got him for like 2 missions and not at all the next game.  One of the worst things about the series.

You could have Legion for longer if you metagame into doing the Reaper IFF mission as soon as possible and skip everything else, but the non-combat Normandy crew (except Chakwas) gets invariably turned into Reaper slushie as a result.

It's pretty fun taking Legion on Tali's recruitment and trial. You get some unique dialouge.

Spoiler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOWcsS7HnJI

 

[Laughing_Man]

Yeah, I don't think there's any functional difference.

Virtual aliens aren't the only who did this. Quarian incentivization into AI research was partly motivated by secular ancestor reverence, and attempting to preserve the minds of the dying in virtual form. We don't get much insights into this other than the codex, though, as the geth destroyed the ancestor databanks, and it seems the quarians stopped the practice in favour of returning to more traditional religious beliefs

http://masseffect.wi...rians:_Religion
 

 

The Quarian idea is actually very intriguing, I would have been very interested to see a race that worships (in the secular sense) a virtual entity made

of the memories and personalities of all or most the ancestors of this race, it's certainly a different and rather unique take on "religion".

[Teabaggin Krogan]

The Quarian idea is actually very intriguing, I would have been very interested to see a race that worships (in the secular sense) a virtual entity made

of the memories and personalities of all or most the ancestors of this race, it's certainly a different and rather unique take on "religion".

Avatar already did that with the giant tree forest internet stuff. Good idea though.

[Rascoth]

I was thinking Salarian as well. STG would find an artificial infiltration unit useful, right?

Definitely. And I'm sure salarians would come up with really good reason why there's AI infiltration unit that looks like them (in case someone asked).

[Kabooooom]

Hmm... Interesting, I'm wondering what's the difference, if there's any.

I mean, an uploaded consciousness is very similar for an AI, aside from potential memories of being an organic, memories that you can actually assign to a "real" AI as well, I think that the line is very blurry between the two.

In real life at least, there really shouldn't be any difference. Both from the organic-turned-synthetic perspective and the synthetic with artificial organic memories perspective. Either way, you have two real consciousnesses with real subjective perspective and experience of qualia that arise from processing of information in digital form, rather than with a neural network.

The leading theory of consciousness from modern computational neuroscience (see pretty much any papers from Tononi et al) which already has substantial empirical evidence supporting the predictions it has made, predicts that "mind-uploading" should be physically possible in the sense that an artificial intelligence with the memories and personality of the organic mind it came from would be subjectively indistinguishable from that organic mind. Interestingly enough, it also predicts that you can only create a true artificial intelligence if you actually design the hardware it runs on in a particular way, such that the information being processed is integrated, unified into a single whole as the thalamocortical and corticocortical networks accomplish in a living brain. This is vastly different than the current direction artificial intelligence researchers are taking - modern neuroscience predicts that they will fail to create a true AI unless they account for this. Creating a synthetic intelligence with only feed-forward, non-integrated processing of information could create very realistic synthetic intelligences - but the theory predicts that they would be unconscious, "phenomenological zombies" to quote Chalmers.

[Quarian Master Race]

The Quarian idea is actually very intriguing, I would have been very interested to see a race that worships (in the secular sense) a virtual entity made

of the memories and personalities of all or most the ancestors of this race, it's certainly a different and rather unique take on "religion".

I thought it a cool idea for the natural cultural evolution of a species that once (primarily) practiced ancestor worship before they adopted scientific methods and became secularist. It's just one of those awesome ideas that we frequently see in the Codex, but never get much exposition on in the actual games.

I'd have liked to see how far back it went. Ancestor worship was supposedly an "ancient" quarian practice. The geth had been around for "thousands" of years according to Tali's Homeworlds entry, so this use of VI/AI technology was likely deeply ingrained into the culture and society for at least that long. I wonder what the Council initially thought of this when they were admitting the quarians?

 

Avatar already did that with the giant tree forest internet stuff. Good idea though.

Meh, that was organic magic mumbo jumbo, as opposed to a viable reason to attempt creating an AI mimicking organic sapience (because there's not much real practical reason to do so, otherwise). The quarians weren't actually plugging their brains into the databank like the cat people, either just using it as a kind of ancestor Wikipedia with a typical extranet connection.

 

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

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