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[Master Warder Z_]

In real life at least, there really shouldn't be any difference. Both from the organic-turned-synthetic perspective and the synthetic with artificial organic memories perspective. Either way, you have two real consciousnesses with real subjective perspective and experience of qualia that arise from processing of information in digital form, rather than with a neural network.

The leading theory of consciousness from modern computational neuroscience (see pretty much any papers from Tononi et al) which already has substantial empirical evidence supporting the predictions it has made, predicts that "mind-uploading" should be physically possible in the sense that an artificial intelligence with the memories and personality of the organic mind it came from would be subjectively indistinguishable from that organic mind. Interestingly enough, it also predicts that you can only create a true artificial intelligence if you actually design the hardware it runs on in a particular way, such that the information being processed is integrated, unified into a single whole as the thalamocortical and corticocortical networks accomplish in a living brain. This is vastly different than the current direction artificial intelligence researchers are taking - modern neuroscience predicts that they will fail to create a true AI unless they account for this. Creating a synthetic intelligence with only feed-forward, non-integrated processing of information could create very realistic synthetic intelligences - but the theory predicts that they would be unconscious, "phenomenological zombies" to quote Chalmers.

o.o I'm in agreement with true AI only being capable of 'life' being modeled after a organic brain. All the AI's I consider people more or less are built around processes that simulate organic processes in thought and emotional context.

o.o

Course the extent this can be done in reality is still up in the air, while we have a idea of memory and its storage transference of that data goes beyond any level of tech in existance. That said you could go the Persona route and have a AI created through set perimeters on its evolution and as you slowly build up the programs and capabilities of the processor, just like upgrading a computer or expanding a existing macro. Course to even consider doing that with a existing program you need a model of stimuli to encourage existing growth.

It's hard to break from the pattern of a machine only doing a assigned task and it having priorities of its own.

o.o

It basically goes against the fundamental understanding of computers, in which every process is something programmed into it.

I wouldn't know where to start truthfully on making a true artificial AI, I'd almost say it would be impossible but...I honestly only have passing knowledge of related subjects so I'm hardly a expert.

[Onewomanarmy]

I seriously wouldn't mind a male AI for a change. I know Arishok and I discussed this back and forth!! But I still think it would be cool xD

[Laughing_Man]

I seriously wouldn't mind a male AI for a change. I know Arishok and I discussed this back and forth!! But I still think it would be cool xD

 

I think that assigning a gender to an AI is rather childish, unless the AI is based on an uploaded personality of an organic.

 

EDI was not a female, she (or rather it) had a female voice, and a mobile platform that had the ability to look like Dr Eva Core.

[Onewomanarmy]

I think that assigning a gender to an AI is rather childish, unless the AI is based on an uploaded personality of an organic.

 

EDI was not a female, she had a female voice, and a mobile platform that had the ability to look like Dr Eva Core.

 

Alright, but she had a FEMALE voice still like you said. Now what if the AI were to have a male voice for a change? Would that be childish too? If so, then please explain why. 

[Vespervin]

I'm down for an AI with a male voice.

 

Edit: I just hope the AI we get, if we get one, isn't another EDI or Legion. No sexbot and no Pinocchio.

Modifié par Vespervin, 12 mars 2016 - 08:39 .

[Inkvisiittori]

If this AI has a female voice then I would like it to be voiced by the same actor as SCORPIO. 

[Hammerstorm]

hopefully the body of a AI squad member will be made with efficiently in mind, not fanservice or any hidden messenger (like EDI's platform or Legions armour piece) 

[Onewomanarmy]

^ Agreed. 

[LightningPoodle]

hopefully the body of a AI squad member will be made with efficiently in mind, not fanservice or any hidden messenger (like EDI's platform or Legions armour piece) 

 

But... but I like fanservice...

[Laughing_Man]

Alright, but she had a FEMALE voice still like you said. Now what if the AI were to have a male voice for a change? Would that be childish too? If so, then please explain why. 

 

I think that it's a mistake to make AI look and sound almost like a person, much of what is interesting about them is because they are not just another organic.

 

It's not about male or female voice.

[Onewomanarmy]

I think that it's a mistake to make AI look and sound almost like a person, much of what is interesting about them is because they are not just another organic.

 

It's not about male or female voice.

 

Ahhh okay, I misunderstood you then, I apologize. I thought you were mocking me tbh. I'm not always so good at interpreting people's posts since English isn't my main language but I try my best and I'll definitely admit it when I'm wrong xD 

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Ahhh okay, I misunderstood you then, I apologize. I thought you were mocking me tbh. I'm not always so good at interpreting people's posts since English isn't my main language but I try my best and I'll definitely admit it when I'm wrong xD 

you should know, everyone is always mocking you

[Hammerstorm]

But... but I like fanservice...

 

Well....... isn't that usually the point of FANservice? 

[Z-E-ro]

you should know, everyone is always mocking you

Sounds better than what you know, you poor everyone's f...... you thing. Awwww

[Kabooooom]

It's hard to break from the pattern of a machine only doing a assigned task and it having priorities of its own.

o.o

It basically goes against the fundamental understanding of computers, in which every process is something programmed into it.

This is, presumably, exactly the reason why integrated information is required - it is mathematically defined as the information generated by the system as a whole, above and beyond the information generated by its individual parts. Modern computers cannot do this. The animal brain can, in certain parts, which is why consciousness is associated with the forebrain (very much unlike a modern computer) and not the cerebellum (very much like a modern computer), despite the astounding fact that the Cerebellum contains over three times as many neurons as the rest of the brain combined does.

By extension, one couldn't create a true AI without acknowledging the fact that specific neural architecture is absolutely necessary for generating consciousness. It would require a fundamental restructuring of how modern computers are built.

Which may be a good thing. It means that we may have robot slaves and it could be 100% ethical. So long as we dont make a mistake like the Quarians and accidentally endow them with sentience and even worse, sapience.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Sounds better than what you know, you poor everyone's f...... you thing. Awwww

i never thought id say that but.....Borat actually makes more sense than you

[Z-E-ro]

i never thought id say that but.....Borat actually makes more sense than you

i never thought id say that but.....Borat actually makes more sense than you

And a lot more better looking than I am!

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

And a lot more better looking than I am!

look on the bright side, you are 5 times his size

[Z-E-ro]

look on the bright side, you are 5 times his size

I'd say at least 5 times. Hard work pays off. I'm very much into working out and my 5 daily situps definitely has paid off.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

I'd say at least 5 times. Hard work pays off. I'm very much into working out and my 5 daily situps definitely has paid off.

your 50 daily pizzas help too

[CrutchCricket]

Primary codex includes the common in universe rumour that quarians are "cybernetic creatures". Kaidan will ask Tali about this in an elevator conversation (which I can't seem to find), and she partially confirms it, though denies that it's to the extent that she's legally a synthetic. In an on ship conversation in ME2 she indicates that everyone gets fitted with at least implants related to the immune system for Pilgrimage as well. ME2 skill descriptions in the Quarian Machinsist tree also cite cybernetics being responsible for her health increases (along with skill in engineering firearms for damage increases). I'm guessing the implants are what the stupid lines on her face and neck in the lazy stock model photoshop are supposed to be.

Oh, don't forget about Harby's assesment: "Quarian, considered due to cybernetic augmentation. Weakened immune system too debilitating". See, considered. ME2 was almost about fighting an exo suited, 3 eyed Arnoldbot.

So they do. I must've missed that. Still I think we'd need more detail on what their cybernetics do. But thanks for pointing this out anyway as it makes my vision of what happens with the quarians in my post game headcanon even more fitting.
 

I know, but even still it seems a typical humanoid species still needs augmentation to carry and fire at least the Widow in a practical fashion.
http://masseffect.wi...ali_Sniper_Unit

Some might. But it's also possible these sniper units were in place before ME3. I mean we're only talking a time span of 6-8 months between games right? That's not nearly enough time to distribute a more user friendly version of the weapons galaxy wide.
 

Elcor aren't bipedal so the ergonomics doesn't make sense for them (how would they shoulder and get a cheek weld?). If it was modified for use by biped species or mechs from something mounted on their back and fired remotely, that'd be cool, but why the hell would they leave hella awesome lore like that out?

Why'd they leave out Elcor tanks to begin with? We may never know.
 

Collectors are cyborgs, and therefore they could probably fire the Widow, so this is a possibility, but it's really just speculation. We know they have their own sniper rifles and they're more beam based and organic looking like all their tech, so it being their design wouldn't make much sense. We know the Revenant and Claymore aren't, for instance. It could have been a weapons just dumped there after being picked up at a colony they raided (there's precedent for aliens in human colonies ala Veetor, so they could have been knicked off a krogan, turian, quarian etc.).

That's the difference between creating a weapon and modifying one. I'll admit it's likely the weapons found on the Collector ship were themselves collected, but the possibility's there.
 

Only relevant as an argument against us if someone else managed to do something against them we couldn't. The Council species just cowered in their space clenching their buttholes for 300 years, so they've no room to get uppity. Hell, they were so frightened of the loss the geth would have inflicted upon them that they severed ties with us for fear of being attacked by association.

We come back and successfully finish the job when no one else would, anyway. It's not our fault the Reapers admit the willing losers into their slave army (like they wouldn't have done so, anyway). That one's kinda on the lolCouncil ignoring they existed and practically letting the Reapers win when they should've been killed off in dark space about 2 years ago. Another example of how they are unfit to rule, and we should instead. System and GT, scrub.

The Council are stagnant, weak cowards? Say it ain't so!

And is that what you call "success"? It's not your fault the Reapers got involved but it is your fault you continued to charge forward full retard up to and including the geth coming back full strength via Reaper code. Success for you is getting bailed out by a human. Actually, yeah that's true. Carry on.
 

As for the humans, how's Project Overlord going? Oh, there's also the Hannibal AI/ EDI, which rebelled against its creators and resulted in their complete destruction on two seperate occasions, so there's that. I don't even wanna know what would happen if you primitives tried anything larger scale than a few isolated experiments and prototypes.

How's the Alarai? Overlord actually worked, we controlled the **** out of those Geth. The only problem was who we strapped into the machine, not the technology or theory itself. And as for EDI she was invaluable in saving the day against the Collectors and playing a crucial role in the fight against the Reapers. Oh also when faced with the question of destruction or allying with Reapers she chose correctly, unlike the geth. So our AI is not only more beneficial, even in "rebellion" but also gets to feel insufferably smug about it too.

[Z-E-ro]

your 50 daily pizzas help too

Well, when your rich and your parents pay everything, what's 50 pizzas and 157 burgers a day???

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Well, when your rich and your parents pay everything, what's 50 pizzas and 157 burgers a day???

a heart attack at an early age?

[Master Warder Z_]

Well, when your rich and your parents pay everything, what's 50 pizzas and 157 burgers a day???

 

And only the finest Laotian rice whiskey of course.

[Vespervin]

And only the finest Laotian rice whiskey of course.

Mmm, lao-Lao.