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[Master Warder Z_]

Solas can't stand the beings that live now...he considers them to be like Tranquils so I do think he wants anyone dead that will despoil what he thinks would be ideal. He wants to erase the beings that exist now because he considers them to be so unworthy of existence, as if their lives have no meaning because he feels they are inadequate. I do not think things will go as Solas plans since all his plans seem to end in failure. Someone really does need to stop Solas from doing more harm to the world. 

 

[Brass_Buckles]

Solas can't stand the beings that live now...he considers them to be like Tranquils so I do think he wants anyone dead that will despoil what he thinks would be ideal. He wants to erase the beings that exist now because he considers them to be so unworthy of existence, as if their lives have no meaning because he feels they are inadequate. I do not think things will go as Solas plans since all his plans seem to end in failure. Someone really does need to stop Solas from doing more harm to the world. 

 

If he's friends with the Inquisitor, or romanced by the Inquisitor, he definitely doesn't want everyone dead; he sees them as people and no, does not see them as unworthy of existing.  Even if you aren't friendly with him, I've seen it on Youtube... he's very regretful that there's going to be so much chaos and destruction.  It's sickening that he still intends to go through with it, and I can't say I feel badly for him (my Inquisitor romanced him and I felt SO BAD for her, because how awful to be told the things he told her...), but the fact remains that killing everyone isn't his intention.  He expects it to happen, but he isn't going out of his way to murder everyone.

 

It's more accurate to say that "fixing whatever is wrong" is more important to him than the lives of basically everyone on Thedas.  This probably includes the other ancient elves, in my opinion, because it's inevitable that more than a few of them will also die in the chaos.  Some think that this is because Solas is being selfish and just wants to assuage his guilt.  I think he believes whatever is wrong, precisely (and I don't know for sure if it has to do with magic, or spirits, or WHAT) with everyone on Thedas, is SO wrong, that he HAS to fix it, regardless of the cost to everyone currently alive.  And he hates himself for it (which let's be honest, he should--he's pretty cold to even consider such a thing).  If you haven't seen his friend/romanced dialogue from Trespasser, as well as his low approval dialogue, I highly recommend you go find it on Youtube.  It's not about wanting everyone to die at all.  Whatever his ultimate reasons, they're more complicated than just wanting to kill everything and start over.  Otherwise, he'd just be a moustache-twirling villain, and that would be pretty boring and not in line with what I've seen of Weekes' writing.

[PapaCharlie9]

You didn't watch the little video posted by Lazarillo of Solas taking memories out of Cole's mind then I wager?

I thought it was Solas blocking Cole from reading his (Solas's) mind.

Solas having the ability to alter the mind of a spirit is both creepy and terrifying.

[DomeWing333]

That particular instance may have been Solas merely blocking Cole from reading his mind, but Solas has clearly demonstrated the ability to alter Cole's memories:

 

Still, Solas and the spirits we've encountered have a tendency to mislead via omission rather than direct falsehoods. I don't see Solas lying about being Fen'Harel and that being "all I have ever been."

[Abyss108]

I don't think they will die, mainly because of a tweet that Weekes made. Someone asked him if it was a mistake that Solas will tell an Elf Inquisitor that their people will die, and he said something along the lines of "its not a mistake, but may not mean what you think".

[Obadiah]

From what we saw In Hushed Whispers, with spirits streaming through breaches everywhere, attacking and possessing everyone they can, Solas' plan the tear down the Veil will at least be extremely violent.

[In Exile]

From what we saw In Hushed Whispers, with spirits streaming through breaches everywhere, attacking and possessing everyone they can, Solas' plan the tear down the Veil will at least be extremely violent.

 

I don't think In Hushed Whispers is an accurate representation of what Solas will do. Apart from the fact that he calls that world an abomination if you take him with you, I don't think his plan involves the Fade slowly "leaking" out. We know that spirits (and demons) thrown through the rift are driven insane. That's not what Solas wants to achieve. The world we learn - roving mad demons exterminating life - sounds nothing like the world we hear about regarding the Elvhen. Red lyrium has spread everywhere  - that's another thing Solas would not want (though it may well have happened in his world - he suggests that the Evanuris were doing something awful). 

[Qun00]

So you don't have anything to show - you just believe it's the case. Gotcha.

You didn't watch the little video posted by Lazarillo of Solas taking memories out of Cole's mind then I wager?

I provided an example of how Cole knows secrets that Solas tries his hardest to keep from everyone. Would you have paid more attention if I had used a video instead of brain straining words?

Speaking of which, there is a great deal of difference between lies/deception and memory erasing.

[Obadiah]

I don't think In Hushed Whispers is an accurate representation of what Solas will do. Apart from the fact that he calls that world an abomination if you take him with you, I don't think his plan involves the Fade slowly "leaking" out. We know that spirits (and demons) thrown through the rift are driven insane. That's not what Solas wants to achieve. The world we learn - roving mad demons exterminating life - sounds nothing like the world we hear about regarding the Elvhen. Red lyrium has spread everywhere  - that's another thing Solas would not want (though it may well have happened in his world - he suggests that the Evanuris were doing something awful).

Of course, the exact depiction of the future seen in In Hushed Whispers won't be the same, but it would be a similar circumstance. We know how much destruction a single abomination can cause, when all spirts and demons are able to travel freely to the material world because there is no veil, they would be as the demons we see in the other Dragon Age games - just everywhere. Spirits don't need to be "insane" to start possessing people and causing destruction.

[Ashagar]

One thing to keep in mind is that Solas's current plan was started back when he didn't see the modern people as real people,  a world of nothing but tranquil therefore there was nothing wrong with a plan that would kill them all to give the remains of his people their world back.

[Kakistos_]

Will Fen'harel's plan kill some modern Elves? Yes, but he stated that he wants to SAVE his people, meaning the modern Elves. I have no doubt that he has some sort of plan in place to save as many Elves as possible. Fen'harel, despite his flaws, does seem to care about life, even the lives of non-Elves, and so I'm sure his plan is a little more complicated than unleashing hell and hoping for the best.

[TobiTobsen]

Will Fen'harel's plan kill some modern Elves? Yes, but he stated that he wants to SAVE his people, meaning the modern Elves. I have no doubt that he has some sort of plan in place to save as many Elves as possible. Fen'harel, despite his flaws, does seem to care about life, even the lives of non-Elves, and so I'm sure his plan is a little more complicated than unleashing hell and hoping for the best.

 

The modern elves are not his people. The elvhen are.

[Milan92]

The modern elves are not his people. The elvhen are.

 

And the hilarious part is that they are all following him like blind sheep. Despite that they are all going to die

 

Its just too funny.

[In Exile]

The modern elves are not his people. The elvhen are.

We need to distinguish between the elvhen as a culture - which he opposed - and the elvhen as in elves who are beings like the ancient elves. Solas claims the latter as his people, not exactly the former (remember, he was a rebel).

[Milan92]

Abellas would survive. Elves like Sera will die.

[TobiTobsen]

We need to distinguish between the elvhen as a culture - which he opposed - and the elvhen as in elves who are beings like the ancient elves. Solas claims the latter as his people, not exactly the former (remember, he was a rebel).

 

Qunari / qunari all over again.

 

Yeah, I was talking about the ancient elven people, not the culture and society at large.

[Iakus]

Here's a thought:

 

Magic was common back in the time of the Evanuris.  Then the Veil came up, and it became far more rare, to the point where Solas sees the world as being full of tranquil.

 

So...what if bringing the Veil came back down again?  Does this mean everyone will become a mage again?  Will spirits and people be able to intermingle freely?  Remember the conversation Solas has with the Inquisitor about such a world back in Haven, with the Veil gone.  He thinks it would be a paradise.

 

But imagine the havok it would cause.  People suddenly with magic powers and zero training.  Interacting with spirits and demons with no idea how to act around them.  Reality itself may be reshaped based on people's thoughts.

 

My suspicion is only people who can adapt really, really quickly, or who already had training around magic (mages, templars,  a few others with training concerning the Fade) would be likely to survive.  Not even all of them, really.  Everyone else will be trapped on Altair IV  It would be a slaughter.

[Iakus]

We need to distinguish between the elvhen as a culture - which he opposed - and the elvhen as in elves who are beings like the ancient elves. Solas claims the latter as his people, not exactly the former (remember, he was a rebel).

The elvhen vs the elfy elves 

[Kakistos_]

The modern elves are not his people. The elvhen are.

 

The Elvhen are all but extinct. Aside from Abelas and the few stragglers under his command should he live, what other Elves could Solas be referring to saving? How could he possibly hope to sustain a viable population with the few Elvhen left alive? No. When Solas refers to "the people" he is referring to Elves in general just as Flemeth/Mythal did.

[GoldenGail3]

Welp, at least my Amell would survive the Fade dropping on in her. As would Alistair. It would only really benefit her. I'm not sure about my Templar Cousland, but I'm sure she will... Somehow...

[Ashagar]

The Elvhen are all but extinct. Aside from Abelas and the few stragglers under his command should he live, what other Elves could Solas be referring to saving? How could he possibly hope to sustain a viable population with the few Elvhen left alive? No. When Solas refers to "the people" he is referring to Elves in general just as Flemeth/Mythal did.

 

Solas implies there are others like Abelas and his fellows elsewhere and tells Albeas he should join them, it is also possible there are ancient elves sleeping as Albelas stated they were doing only waking to guard the temple.

 

Still even taking that into a accounts I find it unlikely there is enough ancient elves hidden across the world to fill a city. Certainly not enough to justify possibely killing countless millions of dwarves humans, elves, Qunari, Kossith and what ever else race that might be living on the world of Thadas beyond the known lands.

[Medhia_Nox]

I thought it was Solas blocking Cole from reading his (Solas's) mind.

Solas having the ability to alter the mind of a spirit is both creepy and terrifying.

Well... he says "Where did it go?"  

 

Could imply either.  But blocking still allows him to lie plenty. 

[Gervaise]

People seem to defend Solas on the basis that it is not his intention to kill millions of people.    That is perfectly true; it is not his purpose but he is well aware that it will be the side effect of carrying out his plan.    I still maintain that if his plan was not going to kill modern elves along with the other races then this should have been made clearer in his dialogue with Lavellan.   The fact is that whether lover, friend or enemy he straight up tells you that you are going to die along with everyone else.     Now it could well be that his plan will involve some sort of transformation in the elves that will mean they will survive but not as we know them.   Which is why I think it is something alongthe lines of their spirit surviving and then regenerating.    So the person who is known as Lavellan, their personality will be lost, so effectively they will have "died" but their essence will live on to be reborn as a "fade" elf.   Which is why PW could be ambiguous about this.

 

Still, even if it were not going to kill all the modern elves, I would still oppose it because of the affect it would have on everyone else, not just the humanoid races but the animals, the plants and the spirits.     Solas seems to think it is just a simple matter of removing the Veil and setting everything back to the way it was before but given the outcome of his previous plans, I very much doubt it will turn out the way he intends it and probably make an even bigger mess than he did before.   You would think by now he would have learned that he shouldn't  take these unilateral decisions but then his name does mean "pride".

[Lazarillo]

Still, even if it were not going to kill all the modern elves, I would still oppose it because of the affect it would have on everyone else, not just the humanoid races but the animals, the plants and the spirits.     Solas seems to think it is just a simple matter of removing the Veil and setting everything back to the way it was before but given the outcome of his previous plans, I very much doubt it will turn out the way he intends it and probably make an even bigger mess than he did before.   You would think by now he would have learned that he shouldn't  take these unilateral decisions but then his name does mean "pride".

For me, I want there to be "normal" people who could benefit from what Solas wants to do simply because I think it provides the opportunity to create a player character who is a good counterpoint to this.  Someone who would significantly gain from his plans, but who still says "no, this is wrong, leave the past to the past".  It makes for a more interesting story that way, IMO (or, at least, it could).

[Carmen_Willow]

Then one wonders why so many elves go to join Solas' army

Why do so many Shemlen follow leaders who will take them over a cliff? Rage, Envy, Disgust, Depression. Perhaps they don't believe THEY will die. If you're an elf, and there is nothing ahead for you and your descendants but what they have now, why not join the cause? Perhaps they believe they can turn Solas from his goal at the last minute. What was it Flemeth said in Origins, "Perhaps he believes they are an army he can out-maneuver."  Except I don't believe they know. They only want to fight back. If they do know that their world is going to end, they want to be certain the Shemlens go with them.