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[Dai Grepher]

Now I know what you're thinking...

Spoiler

YES!

But let's examine this is greater detail.

One argument would be that, well, I didn't play as a Cousland, or my Cousland did not marry Anora. Fair enough. But what are the alternatives? Alistair, who is unlikely to have children, and has not had any children at least since Kieran possibly. As the years go on it will become more difficult for him to sire an heir.

Anora likewise has been rumored to be unable to conceive, and now in 9:44 she is even older than she was in Origins (she's as old as the Dragon Age itself). If she had a window to begin with, it is likely almost completely closed by now.

That leaves Fergus Cousland as the only real power left in Ferelden. As Teyrn of Highever, he is the second most powerful leader, with the monarch(s) being first. While Fergus is older than all potential monarchs at the end of Origin, any heir he sires will be able to succeed Fergus as Teyrn, and if Fergus is King, then his son will likely be elected by the banns over and above any other possible candidates. Also keep in mind that Fergus always survives no matter what.

Add to this the fact that the Hero of Ferelden might actually be a monarch already, and could possibly outlive either Alistair or Anora if they drank Avernus' Alchemic Concoction. Or even if he or she is not a monarch, this Hero could be Teyrn/Teyrna of Gwaren.

All of this represents a natural conclusion for BioWare. No matter what worldstate you have, the process of succession favors a Cousland, be that the Hero of Ferelden or Fergus.

Also consider that the Couslands are a respectable noble family, both within the game and within the BioWare writing team.

So is Cousland rule inevitable? Possibly. The only real way BioWare gets out of this is with someone farfetched storyline and suspension of disbelief. Alistair would have to be cured of the taint. This is because Alistair could be married to the Hero Queen of Ferelden, and she would need to be cured as well. It would have to happen soon. Alternatively, Alistair could be single, but he would still likely need to be cured of the taint first. BioWare could always hand-wave it and say Alistair found some suitable woman to marry or at least lay with as his father did to create him, and through the law of averages just so happened to sire an heir, but the fact that Alistair could be married to either the Hero Queen or Queen Anora makes this plot a bit unlikely to happen.

Similarly Anora, either single or married to Alistair, would need to find some way to correct any condition she might have. Perhaps the cure will help her as well? In any case, it would take some convoluted writing to make this possible for either of them. And Kieran is a non-issue since he might not even exist.

So, thoughts? Is Cousland rule an inevitable fact of any future Dragon Age titles?

Also, if Fergus remarries, who would be a suitable wife for him?

Who rules in your worldstate?

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Now I know what you're thinking...
 

DAi grepher started his personal male noble power trip thoughts because another user  opened a topic about the male noble Cousland?

Am i right?Lol

Anyway these charatcers are gone with DAO so let it go regardless of if you are right or wrong

[robertmarilyn]

Yes! (You read my mind) 

 

My female Cousland is married to King Alistair and Morrigan has Alistair's son. Hopefully Fergus marries someone he loves and has many children. I think it's likely that the reign could be passed over to Fergus's child or children. I know my warden and Alistair probably can't have children but maybe that happens instead. 

[MidnightWolf]

Alistair rules alone in my world state. I suppose it IS possible for Fergus to rule next. However, he would have to be declared the official heir to either Anora or Alistair. And for that to happen, the other Banns and Arls would have to agree. Which wouldn't be easy because he himself has no heirs.
It would be far easier to get them all to agree to someone who already has an Heir/heirs.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I remember once that i tried to place the dog on the throne but Eamon said that my warden was being ridiculous,i swear if you try to use the dog against Loghain it is what Eamon say  .

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Yes! (You read my mind) 

 

My female Cousland is married to King Alistair and Morrigan has Alistair's son. 

I don't' understand why the writers didn't allowed the female noble to become queen without the need of the dark ritual

It would have been very simple since in the vanilla game the warden can convince Alistair to spare Loghain by giving him the throne with Anora i don't understand why this should not be possible by using the female Cousland instead of Anora.

[MidnightWolf]

I don't' understand why the writers didn't allowed the female noble to become queen without the need of the dark ritual
It would have been very simple since in the vanilla game the warden can convince Alistair to spare Loghain by giving him the throne with Anora i don't understand why this should not be possible by using the female Cousland instead of Anora.

Because Alistair hate Loghain remember, and won't marry the player character if he's allowed to live.
And why should Cousland players be allowed all the good endings, while the rest of us get dumped if Alistairs personality isn't hardened, or at best become a mistress if it is hardened?

[AlanC9]

Alistair rules alone in my world state. I suppose it IS possible for Fergus to rule next. However, he would have to be declared the official heir to either Anora or Alistair. And for that to happen, the other Banns and Arls would have to agree. Which wouldn't be easy because he himself has no heirs.

It's not all that likely that Fergus would remain without heirs. Personal desires aside, with Oriana dead, and his sibling either dead or likely infertile, he'd have a positive duty to remarry someone of childbearing age.

[vertigomez]

My WS has Alistair and Anora on the throne. Presumably they die childless and Ferelden descends into another civil war, or Alistair names an heir.

Oooor I guess if Eamon doesn't blow a gasket and Fergus becomes King, he could marry, erm, Josephine? There's a good match. He likes Antivans.

[Big I]

Kieran exists as a potential heir, either as Alistair's son or Anora's brother.

 

Bioware sure likes setting up succession crises. The Ferelden monarchs, whoever they are, have no legitimate children and are unlikely to have any. If Celene is empress she's unlikey to have any. In Nevarra the current king is childless, as is his chief rival in the nobility. Varric's unmarried with no children. Sebastian almost committed to a life of celibacy. In fact the only ruler we've met with an actual heir is King Bhelen, maybe Harrowmont.

[AresKeith]

My WS has Alistair and Anora on the throne. Presumably they die childless and Ferelden descends into another civil war, or Alistair names an heir.

Oooor I guess if Eamon doesn't blow a gasket and Fergus becomes King, he could marry, erm, Josephine? There's a good match. He likes Antivans.

 

I think he already remarried 

[vertigomez]

Kieran exists as a potential heir, either as Alistair's son or Anora's brother.
 
Bioware sure likes setting up succession crises. The Ferelden monarchs, whoever they are, have no legitimate children and are unlikely to have any. If Celene is empress she's unlikey to have any. In Nevarra the current king is childless, as is his chief rival in the nobility. Varric's unmarried with no children. Sebastian almost committed to a life of celibacy. In fact the only ruler we've met with an actual heir is King Bhelen, maybe Harrowmont.

Dwarves are the only monarchs with any damn sense. Male Aeducan can have a son too, and he's a legitimate heir no matter who's on the throne...

Does Gaspard have any kids? Is Viscount even an inheritable position?

I think he already remarried

I can't believe Josephine hid her marriage from us.

[Dai Grepher]

Kieran exists as a potential heir, either as Alistair's son or Anora's brother.
 
Bioware sure likes setting up succession crises. The Ferelden monarchs, whoever they are, have no legitimate children and are unlikely to have any. If Celene is empress she's unlikey to have any. In Nevarra the current king is childless, as is his chief rival in the nobility. Varric's unmarried with no children. Sebastian almost committed to a life of celibacy. In fact the only ruler we've met with an actual heir is King Bhelen, maybe Harrowmont.

Don't forget Dorian.

Bann Loren lost Landra and Dairren in Highever, and I don't think he had any other heirs. Then he was likely killed by the Promisers and Lucius, leaving his bannorn deserted and leaderless.

Arl Wulff sons were all killed during the Fifth Blight. He can be executed in Inquisition. That leaves another bannorn leaderless, and Fergus is down another arl.

The Howes can all be killed except for Delilah, who marries a salesman or something.

Bann Alfstanna is still referred to as Eremon as her last name, which seems to indicate that she has not married at least. If so, and she has no heirs at present, then I think Alfstanna would be a good match with Fergus, especially if the younger Cousland helped her brother and she gave the ring as a symbol of the alliance between Highever and Waking Sea.

As for Kieran, I don't think he'll ever come into play. He was intended never to even return to Ferelden, let alone take the throne. And he's likely a mage anyway.

[Dai Grepher]

DAi grepher started his personal male noble power trip thoughts because another user  opened a topic about the male noble Cousland?
Am i right?Lol
Anyway these charatcers are gone with DAO so let it go regardless of if you are right or wrong

No, I have been thinking about this for a while. And this isn't about just the male Cousland. It covers all the other possible monarchs too.

These characters are not gone. They either appear or are referenced in DA:I.

[vertigomez]

All of this would be a lot simpler if everybody had more than just one or two kids. Then if the first one doesn't work out, you have a spare.

At least the Vaels planned ahead.

[MidnightWolf]

All of this would be a lot simpler if everybody had more than just one or two kids. Then if the first one doesn't work out, you have a spare.
At least the Vaels planned ahead.

Yeah, I've never understood why people in a World such as thedas, would have only one or two....especially Nobles. It makes no sense, given that entire lines and countries can potentially be wiped out by Darkspawn and/or diseases.
In real life here in the UK, people always had at least five children, because infant/child death was so high. And that's as recently as the 70s. My mother is one of five, and my Dad is one of nine. You'd think Thedas would work the same.

[Nefla]

It would be very likely that a Cousland married to Alistair or Anora would name their niece or nephew as heir anyway. That is assuming Fergus would remarry and have another child. The possibility of a power vacuum and various nobles grappling for the throne after Alistair/Anora/Cousland die is also strong.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Yes. Logically, Fergus Cousland will ascend to the Ferelden throne.

 

The current Ferelden monarchy, whether it be Alistair on his own or Alistair & Anora or Anora & Cousland or Alistair & Cousland, do not have any or produce any heirs. No, Kieran does not count because Morrigan does not show any inclination of letting him be declared as an heir.

 

Furthermore, The Guerrins, Fergus Cousland's closest contender to the Ferelden throne, is also childless and Teagan is an old fart now.

 

Which leaves Fergus in line as the next King of Ferelden and the line of King Calenhad is doomed to end.

 

Note I said logically. After all we are dealing with Bioware writers here. They write to primarily induce sensationalism, arguments, fan wars and tears. Logic is the last thing on their minds. So don't be surprised if Bioware screws this up.

[Medhia_Nox]

In my world state... my Cousland Warden resented becoming a Warden.  He saved Ferelden for fame and glory.  He maneuvered Alistair to die so that he could not challenge his grasp for the throne.  He took Anora as his wife to take his seat as king.  He loved Morrigan and had a normal human child with her. 

 

So... in my world state... the Warden will find a cure, return, have Anora assassinated and put Kieland as his successor - Morrigan, he will take as the Ferelden court mage.  

 

He'll have Amaranthine and the loyalty of Highever through his brother (which will pass to Kieland once Fergus dies) - he'll support the Warden's keeping up Soldier's Peak... forge stable alliances with the dwarves for lyrium... conscript the mages of his lands into a national program... sell weapons and food to the Avvar and point them at Orlais.

 

Then he'll offer asylum to a clan of Dalish to form a permanent residence in the Broceliande with the requirement that all Dalish young serve in the Ferelden military for no less that four years.  The goal would be to properly civilize them.  

 

As for the Alienages... integrate them slowly through military service which will provide them with opportunities to obtain landholdings outside of Ferelden in conquered territories.  Alienages will remain, but become open and the Alienage in Denerim will be like a "China Town" of cultural elven "goods" - Dalish can trade their goods to city elves... city elves can trade to humans.  

 

Annex Skyhold and offer the Inquisitor and his group status as a elite special forces group of Ferelden.  If they take it - fine, if not, they're forbidden from operating in Ferelden under the national rules for espionage.  

 

Build ships and dominate the Waking Sea.... and plan for invasion of Kirkwall in the spring. 

[Lazarillo]

Anora likewise has been rumored to be unable to conceive, and now in 9:44 she is even older than she was in Origins (she's as old as the Dragon Age itself). If she had a window to begin with, it is likely almost completely closed by now.

Is she really in her 40s?  I figured her and Cailan for their early 20s in Origins, guess I was about a decade off.

As for the topic at hand, yeah, as the only remaining teyrn, Fergus and his line seem like the logical successors to the throne, if Fereldan remains united at all.  Although, I seem to recall someone making reference to the idea that Maric was a notorious sleeper-arounder, so it's possible Alistair might not be the only Therin bastard out there, so it's possible someone could try to challenge Fergus (whether legitimately or not) with another potential heir, if he proved to be unpopular.

[MidnightWolf]

Is she really in her 40s? I figured her and Cailan for their early 20s in Origins, guess I was about a decade off.
As for the topic at hand, yeah, as the only remaining teyrn, Fergus and his line seem like the logical successors to the throne, if Fereldan remains united at all. Although, I seem to recall someone making reference to the idea that Maric was a notorious sleeper-arounder, so it's possible Alistair might not be the only Therin bastard out there, so it's possible someone could try to challenge Fergus (whether legitimately or not) with another potential heir, if he proved to be unpopular.

I believe she was In her early 30s in Origins. It's impossible for Cailan to be in his early 20's in Origins, since he was either five or nine years old when Alistair was born. Though I'm not sure which age it is, since Gaider himself got his own timeline wrong.

[vertigomez]

Anora had just turned 30 during Return to Ostagar. I think.

[Lazarillo]

I believe she was In her early 30s in Origins. It's impossible for Cailan to be in his early 20's in Origins, since he was either five or nine years old when Alistair was born. Though I'm not sure which age it is, since Gaider himself got his own timeline wrong.

Alistair's comment on meeting him as a child made it sound like they were actually pretty close in age, but fair enough.  Anora, granted, did seem a little older, but her voice was pretty young-sounding (granted, it still is, ten years later), and Cailan was a gigantic manchild, so I probably just assumed at least some of his lack of maturity was due to actually being immature, so to speak (and that Anora was simply cunning despite her age).

[vertigomez]

Yeah, I've never understood why people in a World such as thedas, would have only one or two....especially Nobles. It makes no sense, given that entire lines and countries can potentially be wiped out by Darkspawn and/or diseases.
In real life here in the UK, people always had at least five children, because infant/child death was so high. And that's as recently as the 70s. My mother is one of five, and my Dad is one of nine. You'd think Thedas would work the same.

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. Even if infant mortality isn't high in Thedas (due to the presence of magical healers and health potions...), if you're a noble it makes no sense to have one kid and hope for the best. What if they end up being a mage? Or they take up arms and die in a war somewhere?

It's only the commoners that seem to have large families. Malcolm and Leandra had three children, but I doubt they planned on having twins. Cullen's family has him, two sisters, and a brother (iirc) making his parents the only intelligent humans in Thedas and they're not even noble.

[MidnightWolf]

Yeah, it doesn't make much sense. Even if infant mortality isn't high in Thedas (due to the presence of magical healers and health potions...), if you're a noble it makes no sense to have one kid and hope for the best. What if they end up being a mage? Or they take up arms and die in a war somewhere?
It's only the commoners that seem to have large families. Malcolm and Leandra had three children, but I doubt they planned on having twins. Cullen's family has him, two sisters, and a brother (iirc) making his parents the only intelligent humans in Thedas and they're not even noble.

That's what happened to Eamon isn't it. His son became a Mage, and so he had no heir. And as far as I know, Teagan has no heir either.
Yet more illogical nonsense from Bioware....it's like they WANT family lines to die or something.