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[Big I]

Is she really in her 40s?  I figured her and Cailan for their early 20s in Origins, guess I was about a decade off.

 

Not just her. Leliana, Varric, Cassandra and Alistair are all in their 40s as well. Leliana in particular looks great for her age.

[vertigomez]

^ Wouldn't Alistair be 31 in DAI, 33 or 34 as of Trespasser? He was born in 9:10.

[Wulfram]

Sergeant Kylon should be the next King of Fereldan.

[TK514]

I doubt the Landsmeet would present much opposition to naming Fergus as king, since, as I recall (and my memory may be faulty) the only reason they didn't name Bryce Cousland king after Maric is because Bryce was a staunch Royalist and declined the nomination.

 

Unlike Anora and either potential husband, we know Fergus is capable of producing heirs.  As a survivor of the Fifth Blight, he's got some war veteran credit.  As a widower via Howe's treachery, he's got the sympathy vote.  As potentially the brother of the Hero of Ferelden, he might have some hero worship by association credit.  As the eldest son of Highever, a not so small mini kingdom in itself, he was already raised and educated to rule, so he's got the experience vote.  His father was well liked, so he's got that association going for him as well.  The list just goes on and on. 

 

Really, there just aren't any downsides for the Landsmeet to object to except that he isn't blood related to Maric, and that's clearly not a deal breaker, or there'd be no way to lose the Landsmeet against Loghain.

 

In my opinion it seems clear that, barring writer gymnastics, rulership of Ferelden would go to the Couslands upon the deaths of the current monarchs.

[Ghost Gal]

That's what happened to Eamon isn't it. His son became a Mage, and so he had no heir. And as far as I know, Teagan has no heir either.
Yet more illogical nonsense from Bioware....it's like they WANT family lines to die or something.

 

Wow, who'd ever thought a series meant to deconstruct and subvert idealized Medieval and High Fantasy tropes would deconstruct or subvert the idea that some families are biologically "more suited" to rule than others?

 

I mean, it's no secret that Thedas is a giant deconstruction of high fantasy tropes. The elves were once beautiful and elite, immortal and magical, then they lost that. The dwarves live underground fighting a forever war with goblins darkspawn, and they're slowly dying off because of it. Hunting dragons too much causes them to go extinct. Magic is awesome until it attracts power-hungry spirits, which makes them a huge security risk. 

 

Everyone loves to spit on the idea that elves and dwarves and magic are anything special like they're portrayed in Tolkien-esque works, but if you suggest that human noble family bloodlines aren't inherently more special or deserving of rulership than any other (unlike how Tolkien wrote about how Aragorn, Son of Arathorn was inherently, biologically more suited to rule Gondor because he was "the blood of kings" while Denethor's family were of the blood of "lesser stewards"), and suddenly they're like, "No, we shouldn't deconstruct or subvert that one. We should play that standard medieval and fantasy trope completely straight."

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Not just her. Leliana, Varric, Cassandra and Alistair are all in their 40s as well. Leliana in particular looks great for her age.

Loghain looks great for his age 60 years old!

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 

I doubt the Landsmeet would present much opposition to naming Fergus as king, since, as I recall (and my memory may be faulty) the only reason they didn't name Bryce Cousland king after Maric is because Bryce was a staunch Royalist and declined the nomination.

 

Unlike Anora and either potential husband, we know Bryce is capable of producing heirs.  As a survivor of the Fifth Blight, he's got some war veteran credit.  As a widower via Howe's treachery, he's got the sympathy vote.  As potentially the brother of the Hero of Ferelden, he might have some hero worship by association credit.  As the eldest son of Highever, a not so small mini kingdom in itself, he was already raised and educated to rule, so he's got the experience vote.  His father was well liked, so he's got that association going for him as well.  The list just goes on and on. 

 

Really, there just aren't any downsides for the Landsmeet to object to except that he isn't blood related to Maric, and that's clearly not a deal breaker, or there'd be no way to lose the Landsmeet against Loghain.

 

In my opinion it seems clear that, barring writer gymnastics, rulership of Ferelden would go to the Couslands upon the deaths of the current monarchs.

mary sues who became even more mary sues aah great family indeed!

[Medhia_Nox]

@Revassan Levallan:  I assure you, my Kieland Cousland is far more suited to rule Ferelden than whatever Mabari **** sweeper you can pick out of an alienage.  

[straykat]

Wow, who'd ever thought a series meant to deconstruct and subvert idealized Medieval and High Fantasy tropes would deconstruct or subvert the idea that some families are biologically "more suited" to rule than others?

 

I mean, it's no secret that Thedas is a giant deconstruction of high fantasy tropes. The elves were once beautiful and elite, immortal and magical, then they lost that. The dwarves live underground fighting a forever war with goblins darkspawn, and they're slowly dying off because of it. Hunting dragons too much causes them to go extinct. Magic is awesome until it attracts power-hungry spirits, which makes them a huge security risk. 

 

Everyone loves to spit on the idea that elves and dwarves and magic are anything special like they're portrayed in Tolkien-esque works, but if you suggest that human noble family bloodlines aren't inherently more special or deserving of rulership than any other (unlike how Tolkien wrote about how Aragorn, Son of Arathorn was inherently, biologically more suited to rule Gondor because he was "the blood of kings" while Denethor's family were of the blood of "lesser stewards"), and suddenly they're like, "No, we shouldn't deconstruct or subvert that one. We should play that standard medieval and fantasy trope completely straight."

 

Yeah, the death of nobles is the last thing on my list that I care about. Just the same as the real world.

 

It's why I still advocate Anora in power (preferably with Alistair though.. just because of his ethics). Loghain was an ass who deserves death, but his original ascendance was a step forward... not backward. Other areas will be fine just as well. Various banns or arls. Someone will step up. As long as they're Ferelden and care, what does it matter.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

@Revassan Levallan:  I assure you, my Kieland Cousland is far more suited to rule Ferelden than whatever Mabari **** sweeper you can pick out of an alienage.  

Alistair included?

[Wulfram]

A scarcity of heirs is hardly a deconstruction of fantasy tropes. Having people be "the last of their line" or what have you is pretty standard, because it leads to more drama.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Donquijote family:  Alistair is dead in my canon playthrough.   My warden convinced him that heroism is "so in right now" and to go die being a hero against the Archdaemon.

 

I pretend that I tell everyone in the confusion that Alistair was simply killed and that I landed the killing blow... nobody else is a Warden... and nobody else knows how the Archdaemon actually dies. 

[straykat]

@Donquijote family:  Alistair is dead in my canon playthrough.   My warden convinced him that heroism is "so in right now" and to go die being a hero against the Archdaemon.

 

I pretend that I tell everyone in the confusion that Alistair was simply killed and that I landed the killing blow... nobody else is a Warden... and nobody else knows how the Archdaemon actually dies. 

 

I've yet to kill Alistair, funnily. I don't hestitate with Loghain.. or even my own Warden though.

[Cyrus Amell]

I quite agree that none of the current candidates possibly occupying the Fereldan Throne seem to have been mentioned to have conceived or sired any children. Perhaps Morrigan's son Kieran could make a claim if his father was Alistair but I frankly doubt it. It is therefore highly likely that a new royal family will need to be chosen to rule at a Landsmeet.

 

Now, a single Alistair as King, even with an ongoing relationship with a Warden Consort, could end up marrying a younger woman who is more likely than Anora or a Warden to conceive a child but the developers would need a good reason to bother. 

 

That said, it is highly doubtful that the developers will consider such extended circumstances. Both Alistair and Anora, the primary mainstays no matter your choice, have more than a few decades to live as rulers of the realm (even with Alistair tainted as a Grey Warden) and by that point we may have reached the content boundary of the Dragon Age brand. 

[DebatableBubble]

@Revassan Levallan:  I assure you, my Kieland Cousland is far more suited to rule Ferelden than whatever Mabari **** sweeper you can pick out of an alienage.

A dog is more suited to ruling Ferelden than any elf.

[Medhia_Nox]

@straykat:  Oh, Loghain had to go to.  Daddy is going to get in the way when I have Anora "dealt" with.

 

In my canon - my Warden will have her declared barren and try to convince the Landsmeet to vote her down so I can take another wife and provide a suitable heir (Morrigan and Kieran). 

 

If THAT doesn't work... then I'll have her mysteriously assassinated and say that it was grief in her inability to provide Ferelden with an heir.  

 

Yeah... those Arls might be a pain - but I've got plans for them too... 

[straykat]

I quite agree that none of the current candidates occupying the Fereldan Throne seem to have been mentioned to have sired children. Perhaps Morrigan's son Kieran could make a claim if his father was Alistair but I frankly doubt it. It is therefore highly likely that a new Royal family will need to be chosen to rule at a Landsmeet.

 

That said, it is highly doubtful that the developers will consider such extended circumstances. Both Alistair and Anora, the primary mainstays no matter your choice, have more than a few decades to live as rulers of the realm (even with Alistair tainted as a Grey Warden) and by that point we may have reached the content boundary of the Dragon Age brand. 

 

It's easy for me to see the development of Ferelden, simply because of Loghain. Even if you kill him, they still think he's a hero. Ferelden will slowly become more egalitarian. Even if nobles don't want it, there will be Cauthriens and Hawkes and Loghains who would kick the **** out of them anyways.

[Medhia_Nox]

It's easy for me to see the development of Ferelden, simply because of Loghain. Even if you kill him, they still think he's a hero. Ferelden will slowly become more egalitarian.

Gross...

 

Not my Ferelden (meaning headcanon).  

 

All the Arls will raise a sword under the banner of the Hero of Ferelden and seize control of the Waking Sea (through my fleet in Amaranthine) and aim our arrows for the first of the Free March cities to fall under the Ferelden Imperial rule.... Kirkwall.   

[Patchwork]

King Fergus is one of the few things DA fans seem to agree about which is why I don't think Bioware are going to do it. 

 

Cailen and Celene's love child is probably waiting in the wings ready to declare themselves the ruler of Orlais and Fereleden, and they'll be aided or thwarted by a DA protag who's just looking to recruit an army.  

[straykat]

Gross...

 

Not my Ferelden (meaning headcanon).  

 

All the Arls will raise a sword under the banner of the Hero of Ferelden and seize control of the Waking Sea and aim our arrows for the first of the Free March cities to fall under the Ferelden Imperial rule.... Kirkwall.   

 

HoF will be long dead when this ever occurred. I'm thinking like... baby steps.

 

It isn't so bad. You could say Ferelden started this way to begin with. With Andraste. And then a free-for-all afterwards. Only Calenhad screwed it up. And he was a Reaver anyways.. kind of disgusting if you ask me.

[Milan92]

Fergus is the king Ferelden deserves, but not the one it needs right now.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

@Donquijote family:  Alistair is dead in my canon playthrough.   My warden convinced him that heroism is "so in right now" and to go die being a hero against the Archdaemon.

 

I pretend that I tell everyone in the confusion that Alistair was simply killed and that I landed the killing blow... nobody else is a Warden... and nobody else knows how the Archdaemon actually dies. 

kill two birds with one stone i see...

however Alistair doesn't need to be convinced he is already on the trail of false heroism...and land the killing blow doesn't matter much what matters is who defeated the archdemon.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I quite agree that none of the current candidates possibly occupying the Fereldan Throne seem to have been mentioned to have conceived or sired any children. Perhaps Morrigan's son Kieran could make a claim if his father was Alistair but I frankly doubt it. It is therefore highly likely that a new Royal family will need to be chosen to rule at a Landsmeet.

 

 

If Kieren is alistair child is impossible for him to claim the throne for several reasons.

1 he is not acknowledged

2 who know if he's a mage (alistair mother was a mage)

3 Morrigan's oath

 

if he is a child of that male cosuland i think is possible,maybe if Anora want to use him for her own ends because she is barren

[German Soldier]

@straykat:  Oh, Loghain had to go to.  Daddy is going to get in the way when I have Anora "dealt" with.

 

 

So you didn't used Loghain to kill  the archdemon for the political implications?

I mean the advantage it could have give to Anora.

[Medhia_Nox]

@German Soldier:  Nope... I had to get rid of Alistair too.

 

Can't have the drunk coming back under the banner of Eamon or Teagan and trying for my throne.  That would force a schism amongst the Arls... and I have no time for civil war.  

 

Better to let Eamon's line (and the Theirin line) die out.

 

The Cousland line is both King and Teyrn AND Bann (King Cousland, Tyrne of Highever, Bann of Amaranthine).  

 

Next stop... Imperial Ferelden.