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[Battlebloodmage]

Adding a toggle so that the NPC's sexuality will change accordingly is the very definition of playsexual. It seems more like people are afraid of being hit on by a guy than anything else. 

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I really hate toggles

 

You're an anti-toggle racist!

 

Did a toggle steal your lunch money?

[AlanC9]

I'm confused. Exactly what problem is this toggle supposed to be solving? It makes sense if Battlebloodmage is right, of course, but what do supporters say it's for?

[Cyonan]

They should add a toggle for toggles.

[KaiserShep]

You're an anti-toggle racist!
 
Did a toggle steal your lunch money?

Toggles should go back where they came from. We can make games great again if we gave them the boot.

[CrutchCricket]

Well, people see what they want to see...

[Onewomanarmy]

I don't see the point of toggles tbh or any reason to choose sexuality.

[7twozero]

Sexual toggles? So, like...

[Helios969]

How about noooo romance in Andromeda.  Thoughts?

[holdenagincourt]

So, my question/discussion is this: What are you looking forward to with Romance options in Mass Effect: Andromeda?

Maybe more options? More detail? More inclusion?

 

More options and detail, yes. But no one is going to object to that unless they're against romance qua romance. I think we can safely assume that BioWare will include as much quality content as practicable within the constraints on their time and resources. The difficulty always arises when constraints make hard decisions necessary.

 

In concrete terms I think ME3 was a good romance system, but there should be at least one more romance available to female protagonists in ME:A than in the previous game. Relatedly, I think halfhearted "romances" like Allers in ME3, Chambers in ME2 and ME3 or Harding in DA:I should either be promoted to full status or dropped completely. I don't think they're worth supporting unless they're on parity with the other choices. At the same time, I would like to see the "flirt" dialogue option show up much more often, not just with romance options. It would be nice to roleplay a flirtatious character and to get a few more emotive opportunities in this area. Such options could lead to playful banter, stinging shutdowns and casual sex in varying degrees.

 

As for "more inclusion" and in response to the specific examples you raise like polyamory and asexuality, I have to say I am wary of this. I prefer romances to err on the side of being open to the player's interpretation and imagination rather than on the side of writers dictating the private details of the relationship. In addition, there is a pernicious interaction between this trend of specifying the details of intimacy while at the same time restricting the romance options available to player characters based on their gender and other factors (prior game choices in ME and race in DA), which has the end result of limiting romance options for individual characters to a degree which I do not personally believe is typically outweighed by the gains in NPC characterization. (Allow me to anticipate a typical counterargument by noting that the vast majority of RPG players do not complete multiple playthroughs of a game.) If all or nearly all love interests were pansexual then intersecting them with specific features like BDSM, chastity, racial affinity, terminal illness, the requirement of a long-term commitment etc. would represent a fair amount of added value for little cost; however in both DA and ME the convergence of such features with already limited available romance options has led to an appreciable amount of disappointment among fans and caused problems with balancing and following through on romances in subsequent games. There are three solutions apparent to me:

1. conjure unlimited time and resources to develop dozens of romances that fit every crosscutting constituency,
2. make all or nearly all love interests pansexual,
3. make the limited number of defined-sexuality romances relatively ambiguous and open to the player's imagination and interpretation, while not skimping on content.

The first is the most desirable, yet the most impractical; the second is not in vogue at BioWare anymore. The third solution is practicable and relatively desirable. This sort of inclusion, where the largest number of people can have a high degree of freedom in exploring the game's romance paths, where they have a high likelihood of finding a satisfying relationship open to imagination and interpretation, yet where the NPCs still have strong, dynamic personalities is perhaps a less edgy type of inclusion than, e.g. one of six romances being a disabled transgender turian who's into watersports, but is much more what I'd like to see.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Relatedly, I think halfhearted "romances" like Allers in ME3, Chambers in ME2 and ME3 or Harding in DA:I should either be promoted to full status or dropped completely. 

Kelly Chambers was promoted to full romance. If you romance her and only her in ME2 and continue to its completion in ME3, her romance grants you the Paramour achievement for ME3.

[Onewomanarmy]

^ Boot them completely! They're a waste of resources and time and money etc. Not worth it imo.

[KaiserShep]

Kelly Chambers was promoted to full romance. If you romance her and only her in ME2 and continue to its completion in ME3, her romance grants you the Paramour achievement for ME3.

 

 

Too bad she's nonexistent in the Citadel DLC though. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Too bad she's nonexistent in the Citadel DLC though. 

Yeah. 

But on the other hand that may be a blessing, since her not being there means her or my character wouldn't have been ruined like with some of the others. 

[parico]

How about noooo romance in Andromeda.  Thoughts?

 

I'm game.  Bioware's attempt's to please every single sexual orientation has ruined it anyway.  Remove it and spend those resources making other aspects of the game better. 

[jlb524]

Yeah. 

But on the other hand that may be a blessing, since her not being there means her or my character wouldn't have been ruined like with some of the others. 

 

My problem with Kelly's romance in Citadel is if you play Femshep, you end up in bed with the ugly overgrown roach man...err, I mean, Javik.

 

I guess you could avoid it by not recruiting him...not much lost there.

[KaiserShep]

My problem with Kelly's romance in Citadel is if you play Femshep, you end up in bed with the ugly overgrown roach man...err, I mean, Javik.

 

I guess you could avoid it by not recruiting him...not much lost there.

 

I thought there were other conditions required for that to happen, like taking him to the Casino and such. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

My problem with Kelly's romance in Citadel is if you play Femshep, you end up in bed with the ugly overgrown roach man...err, I mean, Javik.

 

I guess you could avoid it by not recruiting him...not much lost there.

You can avoid that scene by having the less crazy party or not inviting him as well. The one night stand with Javik only happens with the wild party. 

But yeah that scene should have never existed at all in the first place.

[Andrew Lucas]

No for toogles, that's just lazy. Thank goodness it won't happen.

[parico]

You can avoid that scene by having the less crazy party or not inviting him as well. The one night stand with Javik only happens with the wild party. 

But yeah that scene should have never existed at all in the first place.

 

I thought it was funny.  Reminded me of college and waking up next to someone I wouldn't have gone anywhere near if I wasn't super drunk.  People do stupid things when they get wasted even Femshep. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I thought it was funny.  Reminded me of college and waking up next to someone I wouldn't have gone anywhere near if I wasn't super drunk.  People do stupid things when they get wasted even Femshep. 

If it was a choice that'd be one thing, but I had no input in that scene occurring. I also was roleplaying a character that didn't drink alcohol(thanks for ruining that Bioware  ), so that scene both took control of 'my' character away from me and had something disgusting happen. That scene can rot. 

[Battlebloodmage]

You can avoid that scene by having the less crazy party or not inviting him as well. The one night stand with Javik only happens with the wild party. 

But yeah that scene should have never existed at all in the first place.

The main problem with that scene would be that it requires meta gaming and if this is your first time playing and you decide to play as a single character, randomly waking up next to an alien is pretty jarring, it's basically ninja-sex you. I doubt they would have tried something like that with a maleShep waking up next to Javik. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

The main problem with that scene would be that it requires meta gaming and if this is your first time playing and you decide to play as a single character, randomly walking up next to an alien is pretty jarring, it's basically ninja-sex you. I doubt they would have tried something like that with a maleShep waking up next to Javik. 

Pretty much. I actually didn't know there was even such a scene in Citadel, since none of my Shepards met the prerequisites for it. This is exactly the sort of thing I want them to avoid in the next game. Jacob was bad enough in ME2. (I couldn't bring myself to see FemShep talk to him like that anymore.)

[AntarcticWildlife]

No need for toggles, let the player be whoever they choose to role play. Hard locking romance options before even starting the game makes no sense really.

Would love to see a mix of monogomous and non monogamous romance options personally with plenty of options for both. Resources restrict whats possible in terms of volume, but i want more of a choice than having to choose between cassandra and josephine as a straight male. At least 3, maybe even 4 or 5 options for men/women/both.

[Steelcan]

If it was a choice that'd be one thing, but I had no input in that scene occurring. I also was roleplaying a character that didn't drink alcohol(thanks for ruining that Bioware  ), so that scene both took control of 'my' character away from me and had something disgusting happen. That scene can rot. 

Well I think you expected too much control over Shepard than BioWare was really planning.

 

Shepard isn't really able to get very nuanced characterization.