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[German Soldier]

The Dark ritual doesn't make sense at least to me since i don't understand how this magic operate.

A definitive answer does not exist because there are gaps that the writers never bothered to disclose or explain  so what i wish is simply the best theory that could explain how this magic operate

 

-why this child act like a beacon more than the darkspawns?What does even mean beacon in the first place?

To me is just a lame metaphor with whom i don't understand nothing

 

-Who or what is repressing the archdemon from reborn in this tainted host?It is a child with no will of his own at this stage afterall so there is no opposition against the archdemon rebirth

 

-can Non GW kill this critter with the dark ritual or no?

 

A theory that could link these points and solve them all is what i'm looking for

 

 

 

[Cyrus Amell]

I think it's pretty much taken as it is given. Through whatever sorcery Morrigan was taught by Flemeth, she can use this child (at this point an early-stage fetus) as a beacon because its father was a Grey Warden. There are two elements to this phenomena and that is:

 

1) The child being that of a Grey Warden. Either the Taint or an immunity to such is transmitted in this manner to the child. 

2) Whatever magic Morrigan is using to make the child a beacon and then protect it (and perhaps even herself) from any immediate hazardous side effects. 

 

The result is something unprecedented in the modern age: The soul of an Old God within a fully conscious and untainted vessel. 

 

Theoretically speaking, if this child were to be tainted whilst imbued with the soul of the Old God then it would make sense if said child became an Archdemon. As for what would happen to the soul if the child were killed I can only conjecture, though thankfully there is never cause to consider these hypotheticals. Morrigan proves herself more than capable of defending the child that shall be born of this union, as she is powerful enough and smart enough to keep him away from Darkspawn and any other source of harm. 

 

It is quite scary to consider the many "what ifs?" of the Dark Ritual. Bioware takes the safe and boring route out of this quandary, both fortunately for those worried and unfortunately for those hoping for some climatic backlash. 

 

I was in the latter category...

[German Soldier]

I think it's pretty much taken as it is given. Through whatever sorcery Morrigan was taught by Flemeth, she can use this child (at this point an early-stage fetus) as a beacon because its father was a Grey Warden. There are two elements to this phenomena and that is:

 

1) the child being that of a Grey Warden. Either the Taint or an immunity to such is transmitted in this manner to the child. 

2) whatever magic Morrigan is using to make the child a beacon and then protect it (and perhaps even herself) from any immediate hazardous side effects. 

 

 

 

 

-That child is a tainted host  so the soul that go inside of him should allow the archdemon to spawn once again not to the old god to reborn,how the spawn of the archdemon is supressed?

Why the cycle is broken if this soul is still into a tainted circuit from tainted host to tainted host?I understand how the Ultimate sacrifice work because it does make sense the dark ritual does not make sense.

 

-Whatever magic she is using not only was never disclosed but also it call the archdemon soul more than the darkspawns who are far more tainted than the child,they should be a far more stronger "beacon" than Morrigan.

[Cyrus Amell]

I think I will just defer you to Lazarillo's post above me. 

[Tidus]

I stopped trying to second guess the writers since they're all over the board with their story lines.

 

The DR is what Morrigan says it is.. A way for the warden to live instead of dying and she gets a old God spirit in exchange..That's all I need to know or even care about knowing.

 

The spirit will pass to Flemeth then to Solas. After all we need a arch villain to kill in DA:5. We know Solas will become a arch villain in a future game.

[Aren]

That's my only conjecture.

 

I think the archdemon soul reach a state of tuning with the child because is altered somehow by the warden who killed it who act like a synchro filter for the soul.

The Archdemon don't reborn because the soul gained some resistance by the grey warden who killed the critter who is addicted by the resistance within the child thus allow that soul to remove it's corruption.

So if a Non GW kill the dragon the ritual should theoretically fail.

[Illegitimus]

-That child is a tainted host  s

 

No it isn't.  Children of male Grey Wardens are not tainted.  That's the key to the Dark Ritual.  The taint is left behind while the soul moves into the untainted child through mystic link between father and child created by the ritual, the father having acted as a filter.  Note that Kieran not created by the Dark Ritual is as normal as any child raised by Morrigan could be.  

[RoseLawliet]

A more interesting question (to me) is the nature of the soul merger. Before DAI, I thought Morrigan meant that the blastocyst would be young enough not to have one, therefore blah blah capture archdemon soul blah. However, Flemeth will take Urthemiel from Kieran and he'll be normal...ish. But Flemeth also told Morrigan that a soul isn't forced on the unwilling. The only conclusion I can draw from these two pieces of information is that "lack of resistance" must be the same to a soul as "being willing". Kinda... unsavory to think about.

[German Soldier]

No it isn't.  Children of male Grey Wardens are not tainted.  That's the key to the Dark Ritual.  The taint is left behind while the soul moves into the untainted child through mystic link between father and child created by the ritual, the father having acted as a filter.  Note that Kieran not created by the Dark Ritual is as normal as any child raised by Morrigan could be.  

GW children are tainted ,the taint is removed during the embrional develompent process but they carry the taint when they are concieved.

[Illegitimus]

GW children are tainted ,the taint is removed during the embrional develompent process but they carry the taint when they are concieved.

...What gives you that idea?  

[German Soldier]

...What gives you that idea?  

The taint is inherited into the GW childs and it is removed slowly.

Lore,since Morrigan stated the child bear the taint at conception(otherwise this magic don't even work),and it isn't like you said otherwise she could have  used anyone for the ritual but she can't.

Fiona was a tainted female GW whom child was tainted at conception and the taint was removed slowly during the embryonic process,same for normal Morrigan child,same for everyone.

[RoseLawliet]

"The child will bear the taint, and when the archdemon is slain, its essence will seek the child like a beacon."

 

That's what Morrigan says, however we don't know why. Could it perhaps be because of the ritual? I think that's fairly likely (mostly because she doesn't say "As you know, all children conceived by a Grey Warden are tainted". She says "the child", making it sound special.)

[Illegitimus]

 

The taint is inherited into the GW childs and it is removed slowly.

Lore,since Morrigan stated the child bear the taint at conception

 

No she didn't.  

[RoseLawliet]

No she didn't.  

 

...Ille...Illegitimus... I just posted Morrigan saying that verbatim.

 

However you are absolutely correct she doesn't say anything about the taint being removed. So if that's what you were responding to, my apologies.