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[In Exile]

He is driven by his purpose/his plan and is single minded in his commitment to it.    I would be quite surprised if the Inquisitor is able to prove to him that he doesn't need to destroy the world because Solas is so determined that this is what he has to do to fix his past mistake.    When he asks you what you will do with the Well of Sorrows, if you say consult with other people, he disapproves.    If you say you will try to make the world a better place, he approves.    In other words, you making a decision to do something regardless of anyone else's opinion is what he approves of.    He also asks "what if you wake up one day and find it is worse?".    Unfortunately, the words put in our mouth are that you pick yourself up, decide what went wrong and try again.    Solas just loves that: "You give me hope".   It is almost as though he sees our words as an endorsement of his plan; bearing in mind that at this point the orb hasn't been destroyed, so he is still thinking that once you defeat Corypheus, he is going to pick it up and continue from where he left off.     It should also be remembered that Solas doesn't believe in good and evil; just cause and effect.   

 

The only thing that I feel could possibly justify his actions would be the presence of the Blight and Red Lyrium in the world.    May be the world is already doomed, since red lyrium can grow on anything, so it needs wiping clean with a strong dose of Fade magic.     However, there seems a strong possibility that these already existed before the Veil went up, in which case tearing it down again will not make any difference at all.    So I think that is unlikely to be the reason why the world has to die.

 

It's the fine line between wisdom and pride. Notable that in his personal quest, a Wisdom Spirit is turned into a Pride Demon, and we learn the two are (in the metaphysics of Thedas and the Fade) the effective flipside of one another. 

[Master Warder Z_]

It's the fine line between wisdom and pride. Notable that in his personal quest, a Wisdom Spirit is turned into a Pride Demon, and we learn the two are (in the metaphysics of Thedas and the Fade) the effective flipside of one another. 

 

According to a bald liar.

 

I don't know if you watch TBF on youtube or not but erm, its wise never to trust a bald liar.

[Medhia_Nox]

That's not fair. He feels "bad" the way renegade Shepard might feel bad when ostensibly sacrificing for the greater good. The truth of Solas is very simple - he thinks that ultimately whatever he does is right because of what he is saving. People ask for a villain driven by motivations other than comical evil - well, that's his motivation. To save what he sees as the "real" world, i.e., the world that existed before he created this world.

 

You're right, it's not fair, he's worse than a sociopath - they're (sociopaths) incapable of understanding.  

 

What exactly is he saving?  I have absolutely no proof of the world he describes.  But, if I were to look at the world "before". 

 

- A world where seven beings enslaved an entire race. 

- A world where one of those beings killed a Titan and harvested it for resources. 

- A world where spirits are turned into networked relays as per the "Avina"-spirit in the library.  There is no way anyone can convince me that the elvhen did anything but enslave spirits.

- A world where the Evanuris slaughtered the dwarves.

 

I don't entertain the musings of madmen as somehow "deep".  It's amazing how so many people believe him simply because he spoke to your character and was in your party.  Is it a meta-thing? 

[Forsythia77]

I just want to know why Solas has not considered that removing the veil may not have the consequences that he intended.  What if he removes it and nothing changes? Or what if it causes everyone to go insane or turn into an abomination?  I just don't think that undoing what he did 1000 years ago is a good thing since we have no indication that undoing things will "fix" things.  Just because he is racked with guilt about it doesn't mean that undoing it is going to actually undo it - crap might just end up worse. 

 

I know ego and his personal pride has driven him to this point but I really don't think he has fully thought though all the ramifications of his actions.  Again.  I don't think he thought things through the first time either.  And I think that that is his Achilles heel, as it were.  

[ComedicSociopathy]

For the same reason Corypheus did.

[In Exile]

You're right, it's not fair, he's worse than a sociopath - they're (sociopaths) incapable of understanding.

What exactly is he saving? I have absolutely no proof of the world he describes. But, if I were to look at the world "before".

- A world where seven beings enslaved an entire race.
- A world where one of those beings killed a Titan and harvested it for resources.
- A world where spirits are turned into networked relays as per the "Avina"-spirit in the library. There is no way anyone can convince me that the elvhen did anything but enslave spirits.
- A world where the Evanuris slaughtered the dwarves.

I don't entertain the musings of madmen as somehow "deep". It's amazing how so many people believe him simply because he spoke to your character and was in your party. Is it a meta-thing?

Keep in mind, Solas rebelled against all of that - he created the Veil because he found his world to be so awful and oppressive that screwing with the fundamental fabric of reality was worth the cost of stopping the tyranny of the Evanuris.

I do agree he's worse than a sociopath, in that he is fully capable of understanding that want he was is a probable genocide, on racial lines no less, for the sake of restoring his ubermensch race.

But he sees it as saving the world. And what he's saving isn't all of that, because that part of the world is gone and dead, and he wanted it that way anyway.

What he wants to save is the "nature" of the world - a world that allowed spirts to travel feeling and be such things (but without enslaving them), a world that has immortal elves and powerful magic (but one that does not have religious slaves), etc.

I'd also say the Evanuris likely killed more than just the one Titan. I'd wager they killed about as many as there were members of their order, crafted their temples upon their altars (just get a soaring shot of the temple of Mythal and see how much it looks like an exumed altar from Descent) and mangled their corpses to create their foci.

[In Exile]

I just want to know why Solas has not considered that removing the veil may not have the consequences that he intended. What if he removes it and nothing changes? Or what if it causes everyone to go insane or turn into an abomination? I just don't think that undoing what he did 1000 years ago is a good thing since we have no indication that undoing things will "fix" things. Just because he is racked with guilt about it doesn't mean that undoing it is going to actually undo it - crap might just end up worse.

I know ego and his personal pride has driven him to this point but I really don't think he has fully thought though all the ramifications of his actions. Again. I don't think he thought things through the first time either. And I think that that is his Achilles heel, as it were.

I'm not sure the guy who ultimately ***** with the fabric of reality so fundamentally is really the go-to for "thoughtfully considering whether to **** with the fabric of reality".

[The Ascendant]

He created one world by destroying another. He's too dangerous to live. Not only is he ignoring the livihoods of everything and everyone in the world but the denizens of the Fade. People who believe that they are in the right are capable of the greatest atrocities. Let's not forget that the world he wants to restore was one where Gods and monsters ruled. In such a world, there will be no room for people, only masters and servants.

[Qun00]

Why is it necessary? That's simple.

It is because ELVEN SUPREMACY IS THE ONLY TRUTH!

[Dancing_Dolphin]

Solas is right in his belief that the Veil is the direct cause of a great deal of suffering due to ignorance and a lack of understanding of the Fade and spirits. In the south mages are imprisoned and treated with fear and in the north they're slavers and have all the power. I assume removing the Veil will somehow reconnect everyone to the Fade and even the playing field and make being a mage irrelevant, that is if it's even possible for a mortal to survive something like that.

I guess he thinks the trade off is worth it in the long run, because he is immortal (or something close to it) and that is how immortals think. Not sure how releasing the Evenuris could be better than learning to live with the Veil and just educating people, but we don't really know who Solas' people are or even what the ancient elves truly were. It should be very exciting finding out.

[DomeWing333]

- A world where spirits are turned into networked relays as per the "Avina"-spirit in the library.  There is no way anyone can convince me that the elvhen did anything but enslave spirits.

"Slavery" implies that they were being forced to do those things against their will. Spirits made to do things that go against their will become demons. The spirits that served the elves were not demons. Therefore, they were not enslaved.

 

A spirit's existence is driven solely by a desire to follow its nature. By using a spirit of wisdom as the intermediary of all their knowledge, the elves were allowing it to fulfill its purpose to the greatest extent. You can no more "enslave" a spirit of wisdom to embody knowledge than you could "enslave" Cole to help people. That's just what he does.

[ThePhoenixKing]

Fen'Herel, Elven God of Poor Choices.

 

Or Colossal $@*^-Ups, depending on how generous you feel towards him.

 

Solas is pretty much the worst decision maker and the worst at anticipating the consequences of his actions but he as the utmost confidence in himself. Not a great combination!

 

Indeed, and that's what makes Solas such an utter jerk. This is a man who can barely drink a glass of water without drowning, yet he still carries on lambasting everyone else as fools who don't understand what they're doing. It's like getting condemned on human rights abuses by North Korea. Physician, heal thyself.

[Nefla]

Indeed, and that's what makes Solas such an utter jerk. This is a man who can barely drink a glass of water without drowning, yet he still carries on lambasting everyone else as fools who don't understand what they're doing. It's like getting condemned on human rights abuses by North Korea. Physician, heal thyself.

At the end of Trespasser when the inquisitor was like "we need to find people Solas doesn't know!" as if Solas was some kind of master manipulator/master tactician and I was like "um, how about literally anybody including the inquisitor or Solas' own mother" lol. The guy can't predict his way out of a wet paper bag.

[Sah291]

I actually think the mage quest, In Hushed Whispers is a pretty good parallel for what is happening with Solas.

He is either like the Inquisitor, where he sees a nightmare scenario playing out if he doesn't go back and fix it. Say red lyrium taking over Thedas entirely, or something else truly catastrophic, so that the current world is doomed anyway. He says about creating the Veil in the first place, that every other alternative was worse.

Or, he is like Alexius, and he is now in denial and so obessed with trying to save something he loves that he is now willfully blinded to all the suffering it will cause, and he is willing to go through with it no matter the cost.

[Medhia_Nox]

It's kinda interesting all the theories people simply make up about the Veil and spirits... I've made up plenty too, but I know mine are based off either 1) What I'd like to see or 2) Just theory. 

 

But some people on these forums actually believe they know what the Veil is... what spirits/demons are... how ancient elves acted - or that Solas is telling you the truth when he spouts his version of details.  

Fascinating.

[sniper_arrow]

It's kinda interesting all the theories people simply make up about the Veil and spirits... I've made up plenty too, but I know mine are based off either 1) What I'd like to see or 2) Just theory. 

 

But some people on these forums actually believe they know what the Veil is... what spirits/demons are... how ancient elves acted - or that Solas is telling you the truth when he spouts his version of details.  

Fascinating.

 

Same reason why everyone creates tin-foil theories: they are obsessed with it.

[sniper_arrow]

At the end of Trespasser when the inquisitor was like "we need to find people Solas doesn't know!" as if Solas was some kind of master manipulator/master tactician and I was like "um, how about literally anybody including the inquisitor or Solas' own mother" lol. The guy can't predict his way out of a wet paper bag.

 

He sort of reminded me of Cersei from GoT. All of her plans failed and blew up in her face.