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[Andromelek]

I don't know. Why don't you turn yourself into a dragon, we'll stab you in the stomach and drop you from a great height, let you transform into normal form, then we'll see. Plus we'll make you the disciple of an ancient god, expert in shape-shifting and using magic. While we're at it, we'll turn Coke into Pepsi. 
 

Huh? Flemeth can die, she knows how to come back from the grave but that's another matter, she doesn't take a ridiculous amount of damage and still stand on her feet, so even for magic there are limits.

[thepiebaker]

I swear when I chose the guardian I had a shot of it fleeing after getting reckt. You were told before the battle you can summon it once because myth al only blessed you enough to summon it once. After all you were only renting it. It has other stuff to do.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Huh? Flemeth can die, she knows how to come back from the grave but that's another matter, she doesn't take a ridiculous amount of damage and still stand on her feet, so even for magic there are limits. 

 

 

And how possible is for a person survive a stab in the stomach

She was bitten,injured and then crushed on the floor from the sky without any repercussion....isn't this breaking the rules?

Even the one of fantasy Lol

 

That's not the point but more likely the fact that was the warden who pushed her into that mirror ,these plot armors... 

[Secret Rare]

The answer is that Morrigan is simply a writer pet who was forced on the players on several occasions like in the altar of Mythal.

I despise this woman she is  a loathsome hypocrite which bears no respect for anything and anyone and wish to portray herself as a master of secret truths

[RoseLawliet]

I don't know. Why does a loyal Grunt survive getting swarmed by rachni, but both non-loyal Grunt or Urdnot Dagg will die? Maybe it's because they're different people. If I punch a bodybuilder, I'm probably going to hurt myself. If I punch a baby, well... You know.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I don't know. Why does a loyal Grunt survive getting swarmed by rachni, but both non-loyal Grunt or Urdnot Dagg will die? Maybe it's because they're different people. If I punch a bodybuilder, I'm probably going to hurt myself. If I punch a baby, well... You know.

if you fall from the sky it doesn't really matter if you was a bodyduilder or a baby the result is the same.

[sniper_arrow]

 

The answer is that Morrigan is simply a writer pet who was forced on the players on several occasions like in the altar of Mythal.

I despise this woman she is  a loathsome hypocrite which bears no respect for anything and anyone and wish to portray herself as a master of secret truths

 

 

It's funny that you declare your hate on Morrigan in most of your posts, but you can't seem to stop talking about her. 

[Secret Rare]

It's funny that you declare your hate on Morrigan in most of your posts, but you can't seem to stop talking about her. 

Of course i do if i have the feeling that these plot armours are meant to allow her to return in subsequent games,i don't want her anywhere near any protagonists of mine.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

I don't know. Why does a loyal Grunt survive getting swarmed by rachni, but both non-loyal Grunt or Urdnot Dagg will die? Maybe it's because they're different people. If I punch a bodybuilder, I'm probably going to hurt myself. If I punch a baby, well... You know.

Tell me how can a person survive after this   without breaking the universe laws

Poor Corypheus he really can't win against the writer pets 

[Almostfaceman]

Tell me how can a person survive after this   without breaking the universe laws

Poor Corypheus he really can't win against the writer pets 

 

There are no in-universe "laws" spelled out for people who can shape-shift into dragons and use magic. We literally know nothing about somebody who can do that, the only other example being the mysterious Flemeth/Mythal. 

 

As for the notion of "pets", that's arbitrary based on your particular feelings. It's standard storytelling 101 that the antagonist ultimately gets owned by the protagonist, or the protagonist and their buddies. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

There are no in-universe "laws" spelled out for people who can shape-shift into dragons and use magic. We literally know nothing about somebody who can do that, the only other example being the mysterious Flemeth/Mythal. 

 

As for the notion of "pets", that's arbitrary based on your particular feelings. It's standard storytelling 101 that the antagonist ultimately gets owned by the protagonist, or the protagonist and their buddies. 

Come on you are stretching here......

No magic can save you from gravity,in fact the other dragon the mythal guardian die because no physical body can took such an incredible amount of damages...in fact the red lyrium dragon survive here because doesn't fall on the floor and yet this dragon lost half life,Morrigan should not stand alive after this

One is a writer pet if it is protected with unreasonable plot armors in more than one occasion, this is the 2nd time for Morgana......

[Almostfaceman]

 

Come on you are stretching here......

No magic can save you from gravity,in fact the other dragon the mythal guardian die because no physical body can took such an incredible amount of damages...in fact the red lyrium dragon survive here because doesn't fall on the floor and yet this dragon lost half life,Morrigan should not stand alive after this

One is a writer pet if it is protected with unreasonable plot armors in more than one occasion, this is the 2nd time for Morgana......

 

 

Considering giant chunks of rock get lifted up in the high-level magic fight with Corypants, saying things like "No magic can save you from gravity" seems uninformed and almost willfully ignorant. You don't know what you don't know, that's what I pointed out. Pretending you do know the parameters of the fight is silly. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Considering giant chunks of rock get lifted up in the high-level magic fight with Corypants, saying things like "No magic can save you from gravity" seems uninformed and almost willfully ignorant. You don't know what you don't know, that's what I pointed out. Pretending you do know the parameters of the fight is silly. 

Silly is try to deny the obvious.

The dragon of Mythal die from the fall because there was nothing who helped it against the gravity and the bunch of rocks floating around have nothing to do with the battle between the two dragons who were unaffected from the castle levitation.

When you are crushed from the clouds on the ground no magic can save you from gravity because is too late you already has been crushed,Morrigan survive for no reason and in no point she is protected by any form of antigravity since the scene is very much clear and she was bited and damaged also by the red lyrium dragon before of the crash,so try harder...

[German Soldier]

Considering giant chunks of rock get lifted up in the high-level magic fight with Corypants, saying things like "No magic can save you from gravity" seems uninformed and almost willfully ignorant. You don't know what you don't know, that's what I pointed out. Pretending you do know the parameters of the fight is silly. 

I checked because i was unsure but it seem the other dragon the one of the shrine of Mythal  is dead.

Whatever were the parameters of the battle they are the same for both Morrigan and the Guardian of mythal,if one is dead it means that there wasn't any help  from the magic of the Orb to muffle the battle damages,so the condition of the battlefield are a non factor .

[Almostfaceman]

I checked because i was unsure but it seem the other dragon the one of the shrine of Mythal  is dead.

Whatever were the parameters of the battle they are the same for both Morrigan and the Guardian of mythal,if one is dead it means that there wasn't any help  from the magic of the Orb to muffle the battle damages,so the condition of the battlefield are a non factor .

 

I watched the video and the dragon disappears. And the Mythal dragon is not the same as a shape-shifted dragon, for which we have no parameters. 

[Almostfaceman]

 

Silly is try to deny the obvious.

 

 

The obvious is you don't have any information to work with on the abilities of a shape-shifted Morrigan dragon. Nuff said. 

[German Soldier]

I watched the video and the dragon disappears. And the Mythal dragon is not the same as a shape-shifted dragon, for which we have no parameters. 

I presumed that in your post you was arguing about the battle field conditions altered by the Orb  which caused the levitation of the castle and i pointed out that it is a non-factor since such magic is only influencing the castle and not the dragons in battle,the magic was operating levitation not a gravity nullification overall.

 

 

 

Yes i'm aware that Morrigan is a shapeshifter dragon and not a dragon but why this should change something or play a factor?

She took an insane amount of damages by the Red Lyrium dragon,damages that affected her body.

A shapeshifter does not nullify the damages just because it change body form,i saw plenty of shapeshifters mages in Amaranthine(DAA) they didn't healed from damages just because they returned in their human form.

Morrigan may had changed her body during the collision this however does not mean that she nullified the damages of the collision + all the damages she took from the other dragon before the collision happened.

[RoseLawliet]

Levitation is gravity nullification, because gravity wants that rock to be on the ground... and it isn't.

 

Why are we arguing about something that is so obviously a video game mechanic? A leads to B, but C leads to D. You know, probably because A isn't C.

[German Soldier]

Levitation is gravity nullification, because gravity wants that rock to be on the ground... and it isn't.

 

Why are we arguing about something that is so obviously a video game mechanic? A leads to B, but C leads to D. You know, probably because A isn't C.

I see that you didn't even bothered to read.

The levitation does not affect the two dragons in battle which are still under the influence of  gravity which is nullified only for those floating pieces of rock.

Now that i'm sure that the Flemeth dragon is dead for logical consequences Morrigan should be dead as well and there is no explanation as for why she was able to not resent of the consequences of all the damages she took.

[RoseLawliet]

And in Mass Effect 3, a loyal Grunt can fight off the rachni while a non-loyal Grunt cannot. Is this even more of an issue? Because that's the same character, just one who did two different things.

[German Soldier]

I don't think that this comparison/parallel made out from the loyalty system of Mass effect make sense in the given situation of the battle against the red lyrium dragon..

[Almostfaceman]

 

I presumed that in your post you was arguing about the battle field conditions altered by the Orb  which caused the levitation of the castle and i pointed out that it is a non-factor since such magic is only influencing the castle and not the dragons in battle,the magic was operating levitation not a gravity nullification overall.

 

 

 

Yes i'm aware that Morrigan is a shapeshifter dragon and not a dragon but why this should change something or play a factor?

She took an insane amount of damages by the Red Lyrium dragon,damages that affected her body.

A shapeshifter does not nullify the damages just because it change body form,i saw plenty of shapeshifters mages in Amaranthine(DAA) they didn't healed from damages just because they returned in their human form.

Morrigan may had changed her body during the collision this however does not mean that she nullified the damages of the collision + all the damages she took from the other dragon before the collision happened.

 

 

You're making a lot of assumptions with no data to support them.

 

A.) You have no idea how much the levitation of the castle bleeds over to the dragon fights. Data is not available. 

B.) You have no idea how "insane" (is that a measurement?) the damage is to either dragon. All we know is that it's enough to take all dragons out of the fight. Is it mostly insane? Completely insane? A tad insane? A smidge insane? My-mom-is-kleptomaniac insane? So insane it's not even insane because it's done an insane loop-back on itself? 

C.) You have no idea what will or will not be affected by shape shifting. For all we know, Morrigan knows the Fifth Step Sutra of the Shapeshifting Mantras and thus can use the dragon form not only for damage but for damage mitigation of her "real" body. The data is just not there for you to make assumptions. 

 

You and others are just arse-pulling data from nowhere to support some theory you have about the motivations of the writers. Which is silly.

[myahele]

As far as I know, Morrigan simply has more magic to defend and potentially heal herself while she was falling down. Maybe she reverted to a human before she landed?

[German Soldier]

You're making a lot of assumptions with no data to support them.

 

A.) You have no idea how much the levitation of the castle bleeds over to the dragon fights. Data is not available. 

B.) You have no idea how "insane" (is that a measurement?) the damage is to either dragon. All we know is that it's enough to take all dragons out of the fight. Is it mostly insane? Completely insane? A tad insane? A smidge insane? My-mom-is-kleptomaniac insane? So insane it's not even insane because it's done an insane loop-back on itself? 

C.) You have no idea what will or will not be affected by shape shifting. For all we know, Morrigan knows the Fifth Step Sutra of the Shapeshifting Mantras and thus can use the dragon form not only for damage but for damage mitigation of her "real" body. The data is just not there for you to make assumptions. 

 

You and others are just arse-pulling data from nowhere to support some theory you have about the motivations of the writers. Which is silly.

you  are mostly making convoluted points here:

 

a)The dragons are free to fly all over the skies,their flying ability is not influenced by the levitation which  influenced only the rocks this is a fact not an assumption.

 

b)The red lyrium dragon lost half life bar,half life forces in the battle despite it was not crushed on the floor  and this is a fact.

Morrigan should be dead because to all those damages she got from the opponent  we have to add the clash with the floor for the gravity effect.

 

c)You are being ridiculous here,Shapeshifter don't heal the damages just because they returned in their original form and this is a fact they took all the damges  so don't even try to use "magic reasons".

 

you are the one who used assumptions against facts just for being biased toward Morrigan and accuse the others who used simple logic of being silly.

 

 

As far as I know, Morrigan simply has more magic to defend and potentially heal herself while she was falling down. Maybe she reverted to a human before she landed?

In no point Morrigan performed any healing magic on herself while was in fly combat with the other dragon,even if she did that(which you have no proof of) still gravity would have killed her.

It was plot armor.

[myahele]

 

In no point Morrigan performed any healing magic on herself while was in fly combat with the other dragon.

It was plot armor.

 

 

Not while she was a dragon, but afterwards when she landed as a human.

While the Guardian probaby laid there slowly dying from the wounds, Morrigan probably healed her self abit as a Human ... like she did when she was stabbed by the warden (optional) and thrown into the cross roads

 

... or used a potion for all I know. Eitherway, Ancient Elf magic saved her