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[German Soldier]

Not while she was a dragon, but afterwards when she landed as a human.

While the Guardian probaby laid there slowly dying from the wounds, Morrigan probably healed her self abit as a Human ... like she did when she was stabbed by the warden (optional) and thrown into the cross roads

 

... or used a potion for all I know. Eitherway, Ancient Elf magic saved her

That is not on the realm of possibilities,the point of the clash on the floor is that it should have realistically been an instant kill,you don't survive from an air-clash from such height,pretty much like Rirodan of DAO against the archdemon.

Morrigan clearly gained one of the most contrived  plot armor of bioware history here even worse than the one of WH.

[myahele]

actually, it is within the realm of possibility within our world; albeit rare. Combine that with magic then its possible

[German Soldier]

actually, it is within the realm of possibility within our world; albeit rare. Combine that with magic then its possible

I Don't know any person who survived after being fallen from the clouds(elevated altitudes) without any form of protection,is simply not possible.

This just show how lame the writing of the ending of DAI vanilla game is overall.

[RoseLawliet]

We don't know the strength of gravity on Thedas, if you want to get technical (which it sounds like you do). We know it's not Earth because there are supposed to be two moons.

 

Edit: and just because you don't personally know of a case, it doesn't mean it's impossible. That's an anecdotal fallacy.

Modifié par RoseLawliet, 19 mars 2016 - 10:52 .

[Donquijote and 59 others]

We don't know the strength of gravity on Thedas, if you want to get technical (which it sounds like you do). We know it's not Earth because there are supposed to be two moons.

 

Edit: and just because you don't personally know of a case, it doesn't mean it's impossible. That's an anecdotal fallacy.

Lol i see we are stretching hard here with the Morrigan defenders...Now we are trying to value the gravity of Thedas?

It's no different than earth because Humans are present in Thedas and human life  couldn't have been present with a different value of gravity.

Realistically she should have been already in the grave but David Gaider gave her plot armor because she was enamoured with her since DAO

Lol however now that he is gone who will save her from now on?! Without her plot armors Morrigan is nothing special.

[Wahed89]

I mean if the game worked based on real damage, there would be no game. Hit be one or two swings of a sword? Dead. Shot by an arrow? Probably dead.

In terms of the shapeshifter damage endurance, if you want to get technical then it depends how you think shapeshifting works. Mass is a finite thing, so either she has to expand the "space" between the particles in her body to become something larger like a dragon, or she has to gain mass magically. If it's the latter, then is the magically gained mass all her when she returns back human so that every bit of damage to the dragon sized body has a place on her human body? Or is it the case that as with the mass being gained when she is a dragon, that that mass simply disappears and any damage to the extra mass is gone with it.

If it's the former, then it's more tricky. I also think it's the least likely. But it would mean that she would only be as heavy as she would be as a human, but as she is larger there is more surface area to decrease her velocity whilst falling.

[n7stormrunner]

I Don't know any person who survived after being fallen from the clouds(elevated altitudes) without any form of protection,is simply not possible.

This just show how lame the writing of the ending of DAI vanilla game is overall.

 

 

http://www.guinnessw...hout-parachute/

 

just something to note.

 

as it turns out reality cares very little for realism.

[German Soldier]

http://www.guinnessw...hout-parachute/

 

just something to note.

 

as it turns out reality cares very little for realism.

This is ridicoulous what plane crashes have to do with this?

Their dynamic is completely different than a direct clash of a person since the airplane is in itself a form of protection,is the airplane who took most of the damages and apparently you didn't even bothered to read the article since you missed the fact that the poor woman had her body severely damaged because of the clash.

I mean if the game worked based on real damage, there would be no game. Hit be one or two swings of a sword? Dead. Shot by an arrow? Probably dead.

In terms of the shapeshifter damage endurance, if you want to get technical then it depends how you think shapeshifting works. Mass is a finite thing, so either she has to expand the "space" between the particles in her body to become something larger like a dragon, or she has to gain mass magically. If it's the latter, then is the magically gained mass all her when she returns back human so that every bit of damage to the dragon sized body has a place on her human body? Or is it the case that as with the mass being gained when she is a dragon, that that mass simply disappears and any damage to the extra mass is gone with it.

If it's the former, then it's more tricky. I also think it's the least likely. But it would mean that she would only be as heavy as she would be as a human, but as she is larger there is more surface area to decrease her velocity whilst falling.

What you said here doesn't make sense because the dragon of Mythal is dead and shapeshifters don't heal damages when they transform and neither they nullify gravity,now i'm sure that it was a form of ridicoulous plot armor for writer pets

Gaider really did a poor job if he wrote this nonsense,if he wanted Morrigan to survive he shouldn't have allowed her to combat the other dragon,the only thing that make sense is to drink from the well and use the Mythal guardian to avoid this poor writing so she survive in a legitimate way.

[Statare]

 

This is ridicoulous what plane crashes have to do with this?

Their dynamic is completely different than a direct clash of a person since the airplane is in itself a form of protection,is the airplane who took most of the damages and apparently you didn't even bothered to read the article since you missed the fact that the poor woman had her body severely damaged because of the clash.

What you said here doesn't make sense because the dragon of Mythal is dead and shapeshifters don't heal damages when they transform and neither they nullify gravity,now i'm sure that it was a form of ridicoulous plot armor for writer pets

Gaider really did a poor job if he wrote this nonsense,if he wanted Morrigan to survive he shouldn't have allowed her to combat the other dragon,the only thing that make sense is to drink from the well and use the Mythal guardian to avoid this poor writing so she survive in a legitimate way.

 

 

 

This is not necessarily a writing issue. Writing can be blamed on Morrigan learning how to shape shift into a dragon in two seconds, and for Morrigan surviving while the Guardian of Mythal dies. Not how this is depicted. The plausibility problem of Morrigan surviving the impact is really an animation problem, and writers do not animate. If the team deemed it important to support the writing, which has Morrigan live, they would have done two scenes, one (for example) where the Guardian crashes into the ground, and one where Morrigan pulls up at the last minute somehow, but flies away injured. I doubt the writers scripted the dragon battle, other than stage cues like "good dragon puts up a fight, but Red Lyrium Dragon wins." The animators probably took a lot of "licenses" in interpreting that to make it look "cool."

 

Unfortunately, they went with only one scene, probably for budget/time reasons, and they did not see a problem with animating only one scene where a dragon slams, after being clawed repeatedly by the Red Lyrium Dragon, into the ground, but having Morrigan plausibly survive. If they had wanted to be super lazy, they could have cut off before the dragons collide into the ground, but the animators and the people who approved the scene went with the Rule of Awesome! over believability.

[RoseLawliet]

 

Lol i see we are stretching hard here with the Morrigan defenders...Now we are trying to value the gravity of Thedas?

It's no different than earth because Humans are present in Thedas and human life  couldn't have been present with a different value of gravity.

Realistically she should have been already in the grave but David Gaider gave her plot armor because she was enamoured with her since DAO

Lol however now that he is gone who will save her from now on?! Without her plot armors Morrigan is nothing special.

 

 

Dude, I'm not a Morrigan supporter. I don't like her and stab her every time in Witch Hunt. However, I don't see the point in debating things like this when the writers will do as they please AND it doesn't even need explaining because, as I said, it is a video game with causal relationships like A -> B, C -> D. German Soldier keeps going on about gravity, so I thought it would be worthwhile to point out we actually don't know Thedas' gravity.

[n7stormrunner]

 

This is ridicoulous what plane crashes have to do with this?

Their dynamic is completely different than a direct clash of a person since the airplane is in itself a form of protection,is the airplane who took most of the damages and apparently you didn't even bothered to read the article since you missed the fact that the poor woman had her body severely damaged because of the clash.

What you said here doesn't make sense because the dragon of Mythal is dead and shapeshifters don't heal damages when they transform and neither they nullify gravity,now i'm sure that it was a form of ridicoulous plot armor for writer pets

Gaider really did a poor job if he wrote this nonsense,if he wanted Morrigan to survive he shouldn't have allowed her to combat the other dragon,the only thing that make sense is to drink from the well and use the Mythal guardian to avoid this poor writing so she survive in a legitimate way.

 

 

 

yeah, she was basically turned to jelly... and was able to walk again after a few surgeries. people, just regular people can survive alot. maker only know what ancient knowledge baring shape-shifting super witches in dragon form  can take. and when the only reason we have a game is ridiculous plot armour. so we can't really complain about it on characters we don't like... though personally I adore morrigan.

 

 

[In Exile]

This is a totally appropriate observation. The unbelievable part of the magic lady who can turn into a dragon is her surviving a fall. 

[Almostfaceman]

 

you  are mostly making convoluted points here:

 

 

 

That you don't know something and are making assumptions to fit your personal bias is not a convoluted point. It's rather simple. 

[German Soldier]

This is not necessarily a writing issue. Writing can be blamed on Morrigan learning how to shape shift into a dragon in two seconds, and for Morrigan surviving while the Guardian of Mythal dies. Not how this is depicted. The plausibility problem of Morrigan surviving the impact is really an animation problem, and writers do not animate. If the team deemed it important to support the writing, which has Morrigan live, they would have done two scenes, one (for example) where the Guardian crashes into the ground, and one where Morrigan pulls up at the last minute somehow, but flies away injured. I doubt the writers scripted the dragon battle, other than stage cues like "good dragon puts up a fight, but Red Lyrium Dragon wins." The animators probably took a lot of "licenses" in interpreting that to make it look "cool."

 

 

Animations issues have nothing to do with this is a writing nonsense,her survival is contrived and it does not make sense.

Morrigan learning how to shapeshift via well of sorrow is perfectly reasonable since she was trained by Mythal since her childhood and she clearly said that she had the potential to use properly the well of sorrow,there is no issue here.

The mythal guardian is dead and it make sense because no one can survive the Mythal guardian is not the issue,Morrigan survival is.

 

This is a totally appropriate observation. The unbelievable part of the magic lady who can turn into a dragon is her surviving a fall. 

Are you being serious here?What kind of answer is this?

Morrigan is breaking the laws even of fantasy no one can survive a fall from the clouds to the floor without any form of protection and without any damages

 

That you don't know something and are making assumptions to fit your personal bias is not a convoluted point. It's rather simple. 

You are making convoluted and contrived nonsense to try to paint a plot armor as something which does make sense when i only presented facts in every post.

 

-Shapeshifter don't heal just because they change form=fact

-The Orb magic was a non factor for the two dragons in battle=fact

-Thedas Gravity is reasonably at the same numerical value of Irl gravity otherwise human life form would not  exist=fact

-Mythal dragon die for the clash=fact

[Donquijote and 59 others]

This is a totally appropriate observation. The unbelievable part of the magic lady who can turn into a dragon is her surviving a fall. 

yes is an appropriate observaion which make sense.

Morrigan can even shapeshift herself into an old god still gravity should have killed her she is not immortal and gavity is not an opinion

Is not a simple fall is a fall from elevated altitudes after being injured by the other dragon

Old god Urthemiel killed Riordan in the same way and survived because he had the tower which he used to not fall on the floor,

[In Exile]

Morrigan is breaking the laws even of fantasy no one can survive a fall from the clouds to the floor without any form of protection and without any damages

 

The red lyrium dragon survived just fine, so clearly there is no law of fantasy.

 

Morrigan can even shapeshift herself into an old god still gravity should have killed her Lol,she is not immortal and gavity is not an opinion

Is not a simple fall is a fall from elevated altitudes after being injured by the other dragon

 

"Gravity" tells us that dragons can't exist, so I'm not sure where you're going with this point.

[German Soldier]

The red lyrium dragon survived just fine, so clearly there is no law of fantasy.

 

 

 

The red lyrium dragon was not crashed on the floor that's why she survived,and yet this dragon lost half life force

[Donquijote and 59 others]

 

 

 

"Gravity" tells us that dragons can't exist, so I'm not sure where you're going with this point.

Wonderful!

Rather than denying or rejecting the original claim you modified the subject of the assertion a rather convoluted way to prove a point.

That dragons don't exist Irl does not mean that the writers are allowed to break fundamental rules about fundamental physical laws so that they writer pets can survive.

[In Exile]

 

Wonderful!

Rather than denying or rejecting the original claim you modified the subject of the assertion,a rather convoluted way to prove a point.

That dragons don't exist Irl does not mean that the writers are allowed to break fundamental rules about fundamental physical laws so that they writer pets can survive.

 

 

No. The original claim is gibberish. "Gravity" is a rule that simply doesn't apply properly or uniformly in Thedas, as are the rest of the basic rules of physics (like e.g. entropy). Your entire premise is about the selective application of a rule that the basic concept of the series undermines, and not just selectively applying it to the setting, but selectively applying it to the very scenario that you object (i.e., you object to the effects of a fall, but not to the actual capacity of entities ala dragons to fly). Your point is gibberish - my response is merely highlighting the hypocrisy of your position. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

No. The original claim is gibberish. "Gravity" is a rule that simply doesn't apply properly or uniformly in Thedas, as are the rest of the basic rules of physics (like e.g. entropy). Your entire premise is about the selective application of a rule that the basic concept of the series undermines, and not just selectively applying it to the setting, but selectively applying it to the very scenario that you object (i.e., you object to the effects of a fall, but not to the actual capacity of entities ala dragons to fly). Your point is gibberish - my response is merely highlighting the hypocrisy of your position. 

Gibberish?

It's ironic because for my perspective the one who is going  on through gibberish assertions in the debate is you.

Gravity is applied uniformly in Thedas unless altering condition via magical means happened and this is not the case of the fighting between the two dragons,in fact the Mythal guardian die in the scenario.

The basic concept of the series ou mean magic? Is a non factor on gravity in the scenario that is discussed.

Your post is highly hypocritical and filled with alterations of the subjects that are being discussed.

[Secret Rare]

No. The original claim is gibberish. "Gravity" is a rule that simply doesn't apply properly or uniformly in Thedas, as are the rest of the basic rules of physics (like e.g. entropy). Your entire premise is about the selective application of a rule that the basic concept of the series undermines, and not just selectively applying it to the setting, but selectively applying it to the very scenario that you object (i.e., you object to the effects of a fall, but not to the actual capacity of entities ala dragons to fly). Your point is gibberish - my response is merely highlighting the hypocrisy of your position. 

Involving the selection of the most suitable or best qualified representation through a reasonable restriction which properly address and describe a situation is not in itself a form of hypocrisy.

Inside informations too small or unimportant to be worth consideration and not connected with or relevant to the given situation are not useful or desirable.

[In Exile]

 

Involving the selection of the most suitable or best qualified representation through a reasonable restriction which properly address and describe a situation is not in itself a form of hypocrisy.

Inside informations too small or unimportant to be worth consideration and not connected with or relevant to the given situation are not useful or desirable.

 

 

I can't parse your first sentence properly, but there's no principled delineation. Creatures like dragons are an impossibility based on the same rules that e.g. lead to us dying from falling (i.e., gravity, among others). 

[Bfler]

The discussion about a game, where your party members survive all kinds of physical and non physical hits during a fight, is ridiculous.
And btw. with active barrier spell, a char is able to survive a fall from great hight without any injuries in the game. I guess master mage Morrigan has mastery of the spell.

[Secret Rare]

 Creatures like dragons are an impossibility based on the same rules that e.g. lead to us dying from falling (i.e., gravity, among others). 

There are explicit or understood regulations or principles governing gravity that conduct to a particular preciseness behind thy claim?

Quetzalcoatlus northropi weren't denied from existence by gravity true they weren't dragons but surely they were big flying animals.

Morrigan survival is not in harmony with  the same rules portrayed in the same setting which effectively killed several characters like Riordan and the Flemythal dragon.

[German Soldier]

And btw. with active barrier spell, a char is able to survive a fall from great hight without any injuries in the game. I guess master mage Morrigan has mastery of the spell.

Uh? where is this barrier spell aside from your personal headcanon?

The dragon  form of Morrigan wasn't protected by any barrier and was smashed on the ground and it survived via plot armor.