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[Navoletti]

well after listen the comments of David Gaider of the content that bioware cut of DA2 and change the story..my question is what happen with the leaked story of ME3...





remember the guy russian that hack the game for the responsability of Xbox leak...much part of story is changed...i remember see a part of omega dlc is changed...the characters zaeed have more protagonism in the story dlc and have a chance of a traition...or miranda story changed...other parts is changed of the enemy kai leng..that this enemy in a part of game have a chance of kill 1 friend of you team and you have a option for save 1...in the ending mission of assari planet thessia.

 

and much people talk of the ending is more dramatical of the new end cut dlc..that you character have a option for save all or save the li...

 

pfff we have much examples and this is a post of talk what content is changed or delete..the developers say we decide not kill friends of the team for the suicide mission but i think they change much parts of the games for this genius guy that ruined the more better franchise for the leak content...

 

each time i think what happen if this game never is leaked...probably we have a more better game of the final version..kai leng is more badd in the leaked version and now for the content cut and multiple plot holes this enemy is very poor and silly.

 

a real enemy need the hate of players..for win the hate of the player this enemy need kill or ruined the atmosphere of the player but this never happen in the game.

 

and other leak content is the final battle with the ilusive man...really why?and in the middle of the game we have option for take the way of cerberus or alliance...really the leak version is more better of the final version with content cut...

 

why bioware think in cut content after the leak...they think in solve the leak only with delete content?example witcher series have a leak and they never cut nothing of content they only say please people not read information of the game..we not change the story for this leak..and the witcher have the more better story and content in the final game..

 

why bioware decide take this way of cut content and replace for others only for a little leak of a guy?why not talk with people and advertise please not read information,i think the solution for this is only advertise but never change you story for a leak.cmon they ruined the game for this.

 

i hope more information and now that hudson not work in bioware i hope they talk of the content that they cut in ME3 same of Gaider in DAI.

[aoibhealfae]

In the actual game itself there's a lot of hidden dialogues to quests that didn't exist in-game. For instance, there's lines with Joker about Cerberus breaking into the ship and Engineer Adams or Donnelly or Daniels would have been killed. There's also an entire scene where a C-Sec officer tried to kill a pro-Cerberus traitor and you either have to talk him out or turn a blind eye. Its simply due to limited resources and time constraints and ME2 already did more damage to the story than the leak itself. 

[themikefest]

Had BioWare been given more time, some of the posts about the leaked script from folks that I read would've been in the game and Thessia would've happened before the Citadel coup

[Monica21]

Thessia would've happened before the Citadel coup

THAT WOULD HAVE MADE SO MUCH MORE SENSE!!

[angol fear]

THAT WOULD HAVE MADE SO MUCH MORE SENSE!!

There is a reason why they decided to change that.

[themikefest]

Yeah there is. They didn't have enough time for what they wanted to do

[Monica21]

There is a reason why they decided to change that.

Yeah. Because they ran out of time.

[Obliviousmiss]

Reading stuff about the leak just makes me depressed. Javik and Kai Leng's characters had so much more to them! 

[Jukaga]

I don't buy it. Why would they make all these changes just because of a leak? Things get leaked all the time. EA said finish it so they finished it, they ran out of time.

[StarcloudSWG]

No. The leaked script is substantially identical to the delivered game.

 

Whatever was in the leaked script that is not in the game, is not in the game because Bioware ran out of time and could not develop those ideas, or due to other development decisions such as deciding that the game was better paced by using a different sequence of events.

[angol fear]

When we run out of time, we usually remove things...

Anyway it seems that there are some people here who don't know that Mass Effect 3 wasn't supposed to be released in 2012 (it was delayed), and some people think that E.A. did things that they never actually did (bioware posted something about that).

So yes spreading rumours again and again to justify hate.

[rossler]

Leaked script was a rough draft, not the final version.

 

With stuff like "Level is in Rough Pre-Narrative Playable State" written several times in the script, it's a dead giveaway it wasn't the final draft.

 

Stuff gets deleted and changed all the time. Just like in the movies, books, or on TV.

[Linkenski]

The script leaked in October or something, that was one month before they actually ended production, so there's no way they changed all those things in just that little time. No, I think the leaked script shows a very early draft of the story mixed with some of the later iterations. You can see it in how it includes sections where TIM is obviously indoctrinated and "working with the Reapers" but also parts where he's looking to control them like in the final version.

 

I think the leaked script just contained a mix of newer and dated story files.

 

Actually there is a term in game development for what happened here. It's called Implementation aka the process of implementing the design-choices into the product, that includes programming, art, music, graphics, gameplay all that.

 

It's easy for Bioware to conjure up the plot itself. It's much harder to implement it so every bit of the story has the same consistent graphical quality, voice-acting quality, music, art assets, you name it. That's the hard stuff that takes time; that's the stuff you plan months ahead of time as well.

 

I think for example that's also why DA:I's plot was a vague confused mess half the time. Several missions in that game just start in medias res and the entire initial concept of the game didn't make it. That's Bioware realizing they couldn't implement their design with the same consistent level of quality across the entire game.

 

Implementation is also why the Mako or Hammerhead wasn't in ME2 while it was actually planned at first (with planetary exploration and all that) Bioware has the rule "If it doesn't work properly (or to the standard) it's going to be cut". Such was the cases for Omega and the original Catalyst AKA Javik as well. They couldn't make those things up to par with the rest of ME3 to the deadline they had, so it was cut and the script was revised to account for the changes.

[rossler]

Where did you hear Javik was supposed to replace the Catalyst at the end?

 

Doesn't make much sense, because Javik being an organic from a previous cycle wouldn't turn out to be the guy who controls the Reapers, and is their master.

 

He's more like an ally to Shepard, than in bed with the Reapers.

[StarcloudSWG]

There were actually *two* leaked scripts. One was the 'late stage leak' that most people are familiar with. The other was a much earlier leak. There are some changes between the two leaks, but they are substantially the same. 

 

One of the early concept ideas for Javik was for him to be the Catalyst, but as development went on it became clear that they just didn't have the time and resources to integrate the character into the story properly, and I believe his character design was taking more time than expected.

 

I'm pretty sure they must have made the decision to cut Javik as being integral to the story somewhere midway in development, when it became clear his character was not actually necessary.

[rossler]

I'm pretty skeptical of that claim, but that's just me.

[Linkenski]

Where did you hear Javik was supposed to replace the Catalyst at the end?

 

Doesn't make much sense, because Javik being an organic from a previous cycle wouldn't turn out to be the guy who controls the Reapers, and is their master.

 

He's more like an ally to Shepard, than in bed with the Reapers.

Whatever the Catalyst/GUARDIAN thingy was at the time of the earlier drafts of ME3's plot outline it was clearly never realized as anything specific until the very end of production hence the messy ending.

 

No, I don't believe Javik aka The Catalyst was going to be The Catalyst aka GUARDIAN (in "GUARDIAN'S Garden" or whatever nonsense that was) at the end. I just think The Javikatalyst would've actually been the one who made the Crucible work.

 

In the leaked script iteration it describes the GUARDIAN scene as Shepard ascending to the GUARDIAN who tells him "the secrets of the universe", so I couldn't help but think maybe that was all it was initially but that probably wasn't climactic enough to suddenly give you a Reaper exposition dump in the middle of the climax and then just show the Crucible firing.

 

It's just speculation and subjective analysis on my part though.

[Midnight Bliss]

That leak story with Kaidan suddenly not trusting Shep anymore and teaming up with Kai Leng for Virmire 2.0 makes me throw up in my mouth a little more each time I hear about it.

[rossler]

Whatever the Catalyst/GUARDIAN thingy was at the time of the earlier drafts of ME3's plot outline it was clearly never realized as anything specific until the very end of production hence the messy ending.

 

It's a piece of the Crucible in order to make it work. The Protheans weren't able to find what it is, hence why they weren't able to deploy the Crucible in the previous cycle.

 

In addition, plenty of other things telling you what it is. It's not like it's not mentioned at all. That would be messy.

[Ieldra]

I speculated about that in this thread:

http://forum.bioware...thesis-options/

I can only observe that the ending exposition in the script leaked in November 2011 made a lot more sense than that which was in the finished game, and I did suspect, back then, that the fact the script was leaked may have inspired some late changes and turned it all into nonsense.

The leaked script endings weren't any more pleasant, but at least they made sense. I can live with unpleasant to some degree. Nonsense I despise.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I speculated about that in this thread:

http://forum.bioware...thesis-options/

I can only observe that the ending exposition in the script leaked in November 2011 made a lot more sense than that which was in the finished game, and I did suspect, back then, that the fact the script was leaked may have inspired some late changes and turned it all into nonsense.

The leaked script endings weren't any more pleasant, but at least they made sense. I can live with unpleasant to some degree. Nonsense I despise.

 

It's great that it uses words like Singularity and AI.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

The leak wasn't really any better than what we got.

[Remix-General Aetius]

The coup still makes plenty of sense to me the way it is. Think back to Ilos and what Vigil said about the Reapers overtaking the Citadel due to all the data stored about all the races of that cycle. Locations, census records and the lot, which made it easier for the Reapers to harvest them.

 

Cerberus wanting to overtake the Citadel in this cycle is merely an indication of their indoctrinated nature.

[Arcian]

Where did you hear Javik was supposed to replace the Catalyst at the end?

 

Doesn't make much sense, because Javik being an organic from a previous cycle wouldn't turn out to be the guy who controls the Reapers, and is their master.

 

He's more like an ally to Shepard, than in bed with the Reapers.

Ghost Kid was called The Guardian in the earlier script.

[StarcloudSWG]

Javik wasn't supposed to be the Catalyst as in the Reaper-gestalt AI that's been making Reapers to kill everyone.

 

No, Javik was supposed to be the Catalyst as in "the missing piece of the Crucible that makes it work."

 

The Reaper-gestalt AI was called something else at that point.