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[Secret Rare]

@Secret Rare: Yes, and doesn't the Chantry burn the dead?  Sounds like a smart practice.  

 

So, are you going to tell me burning the dead is horrible and we should just leave bodies in the ground and if they become Revenants and Arcane Horrors and Fanged Skeletons... well, that's just "nature"? 

 

 

Each nation in Theadas has its own culture in regard of the cult of the dead,in Ferelden they burn them(when possible)in Nevarra they don't.

The chantry has no business in this.

 

 

No... taking precautions to stop disaster... is intelligent.  

 

 

 

We were talking about people not trees from what i recall , plus brecilian forest was location where 2 strongly magical forces fought to the point veil was vastly damaged.

 

 

I recall to have saw plenty of crazy Sylvans both in the Brecilian forest and in the Wending wood.

Clearly Trees are a danger that need to be contained because they are a world threat and they are even more numerous than mages,we should lock them all into a tower for  world safety.

[Iakus]

The veil is an artificial construct it should not be there it is the cause of existence of non mages and most demons

You think giving spirits greater access to mages will result in fewer abominations?  

[TheKomandorShepard]

I recall to have saw plenty of crazy Sylvans both in the Brecilian forest and in the Wending wood.

Clearly Trees are a danger that need to be contained because they are a world threat and they are even more numerous than mages,we should lock them all into a tower for  world safety.

Pretty much addressed that in my previous post and to add more to what i said, sylvans aren't threat to society only to people nearby as they remain dormant and aren't nowhere near powerful as abomnations

[Iakus]

 

Which obviously doesn't mean anything,demons possess a body of their own they are made of flesh not of spiritual energy.

Desire demons feed on desire to gain the strength to cross the veil they don't need a mage to do that,or i have dreamed the desire demon who was using the templar for an excursion into the world?

 

Unless they posses someone, as they often try to do, once they cross the Veil.  Like what happened to Connor.  Like what can happen to Amalia, 

 

Mages make great conduits across the Veil thanks to their stronger  connection to the Fade.

[Secret Rare]

You think giving spirits greater access to mages will result in fewer abominations?  

What's so illogical about it?

Give to spirits a greater access to the world diminish the possibility of demonic possessions overall

If they seek mages is not for fun reasons it is because they feel the need to enter in the physical world

(they don't care of mages they want to see the world,mages are like cursed doors for them) and once they become abominations(fused  with the mage) they become crazy and go to a killing rampage but spirits aren't crazy on their own.

 

[NeoDarke]

You know what would have helped the Circle? Giving the Mages freedom.

Now, hear me out. The Templars picking up kids and bring them to the Circle is and was a good idea, provided the Templars treated the kids like like the terrified children they were and not like dangerous monsters who could snap at any minute, but bringing all the kids together in one "Safe" place where they could learn to control their powers was a good idea and one I approve of. However, once Mages managed to pass The Harrowing, there really is no reason to leave them confined within The Circle. The Templars already have the Mages phylactery, so it's not like they can't track the Mages down if necessary. But they should let the Mages back out into the world. Even if it's only for a few months. If necessary, let there be a waiting period for the Mage in question being allowed to leave. Give them a set time limit. Have them declare where they are going to. If it's close to another Circle then have them check in at that Circle to alert the Templars and First Enchanter to the presence. All hiding away Mages is going to do is increase the fear and distrust of the main populace. If you can allow highly skilled and trained Mages back out into the world, you can ease that fear.

Will it be perfect? Of course not. But it's alot better than it was.

[Iakus]

You know what would have helped the Circle? Giving the Mages freedom.

Now, hear me out. The Templars picking up kids and bring them to the Circle is and was a good idea, provided the Templars treated the kids like like the terrified children they were and not like dangerous monsters who could snap at any minute, but bringing all the kids together in one "Safe" place where they could learn to control their powers was a good idea and one I approve of. However, once Mages managed to pass The Harrowing, there really is no reason to leave them confined within The Circle. The Templars already have the Mages phylactery, so it's not like they can't track the Mages down if necessary. But they should let the Mages back out into the world. Even if it's only for a few months. If necessary, let there be a waiting period for the Mage in question being allowed to leave. Give them a set time limit. Have them declare where they are going to. If it's close to another Circle then have them check in at that Circle to alert the Templars and First Enchanter to the presence. All hiding away Mages is going to do is increase the fear and distrust of the main populace. If you can allow highly skilled and trained Mages back out into the world, you can ease that fear.

Will it be perfect? Of course not. But it's alot better than it was.

Perhaps.  Perhaps mages, once proven to be able to control their power and pass their Harrowing, could be allowed to leave with the permission of the Circle's First Enchanter?  

[Iakus]

 

What's so illogical about it?

Give to spirits a greater access to the world diminish the possibility of demonic possessions overall

If they seek mages is not for fun reasons it is because they feel the need to enter in the physical world

(they don't care of mages they want to see the world,mages are like cursed doors for them) and once they become abominations(fused  with the mage) they become crazy and go to a killing rampage but spirits aren't crazy on their own.

 

 

Because exposing spirits to human emotions will warp them into demons?

[Vit246]

Because exposing spirits to human emotions will warp them into demons?

Hopelessly emotionally compromised humans (like Anders) warps them into demons. Not just emotions themselves.

And I think I recall Wynne noting how she cannot get possessed and turned into an abomination because she already had a spirit inside her.

[Steelcan]

Hopelessly emotionally compromised humans (like Anders) warps them into demons. Not just emotions themselves.

And I think I recall Wynne noting how she cannot get possessed and turned into an abomination because she already had a spirit inside her.

spirits can also be warped into demons by rather simpler processes such as pain, expecting the spirit to be a demon, and so on. Certain emotions just draw certain fade denizens

[Secret Rare]

Because exposing spirits to human emotions will warp them into demons?

Spirits were free to roam in the mortal world in the past and they weren't the issue so clearly a solution that has been forgotten exist one which is far more effective than those prisons called circles.

Each person among the elves had a mortal and a spirit shape so they were immune to possession or at least i never heard about ancient elf abominations.

In the Dragon Age Instead to learn techniques to be immunized against possessions and repel demons they adopt improbable  solutions.

[Jackums]

There is a degree of poetic justice in that someone like TKS would see the end of their lives and the society they so dogmatically sought to control and preserve because they refused to acknowledge magic for the natural phenomena it is. Stagnant and incapable of progress, it's nigh certain the Qunari or Blight would overcome Thedas were it to share that mentality.

 

Ego and lust for power are evidently quite present on both sides, regardless of whether one sympathizes with the mages or mundanes. 

[Jackums]

LoL, they aren't locked out because of actions of the few at least not in the sense that they are blamed for causing blights. Mages are locked out because they are threat to mankind and society safety

 

Mages are mankind.
 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Spirits were free to roam in the mortal world in the past and they weren't the issue so clearly a solution that has been forgotten exist one which is far more effective than those prisons called circles.

Each person among the elves had a mortal and a spirit shape so they were immune to possession or at least i never heard about ancient elf abominations.

In the Dragon Age Instead to learn techniques to be immunized against possessions and repel demons they adopt improbable  solutions.

There is technique that prevents demonic possession it is called Rite of Tranquility and works perfectly fine .Aside from matter that it was completely different world, and was ruled by self-destructive mages that if Solas was correct would destroy it .

 

There is a degree of poetic justice in that someone like TKS would see the end of their lives and the society they so dogmatically sought to control and preserve because they refused to acknowledge magic for the natural phenomena it is. Stagnant and incapable of progress, it's nigh certain the Qunari or Blight would overcome Thedas were it to share that mentality.

 

Ego and lust for power are evidently quite present on both sides, regardless of whether one sympathizes with the mages or mundanes. 

And how exactly i would die in first place? Blight wouldn't even exist without mages or if they were controlled properly, and Thedas without constant disasters caused by mages would be much better suited to fight qunari , not to mention technology among humans would progress as mages wouldn't prevent it.

 

 

Mages are mankind.
 

They are tiny minority that threatens its existence.

[Secret Rare]

There is technique that prevents demonic possession it is called Rite of Tranquility and works perfectly fine .

 

Transform persons into vegetative-alive comatose with lesser apparent brain activity and responsiveness is  considered a technique?

I called that rubbish.

 

 

 

 

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

Transform persons into vegetative-alive comatose with lesser apparent brain activity and responsiveness is  considered a technique?

I called that rubbish.

It is and it is very effective and beneficial one, so it not rubbish.

[Iakus]

Spirits were free to roam in the mortal world in the past and they weren't the issue so clearly a solution that has been forgotten exist one which is far more effective than those prisons called circles.

Each person among the elves had a mortal and a spirit shape so they were immune to possession or at least i never heard about ancient elf abominations.

In the Dragon Age Instead to learn techniques to be immunized against possessions and repel demons they adopt improbable  solutions.

Citation needed.

 

Solas's plan to govern mages seems to be "kill anyone who breaks the rules"

[Iakus]

spirits can also be warped into demons by rather simpler processes such as pain, expecting the spirit to be a demon, and so on. Certain emotions just draw certain fade denizens

Yup

 

"The Lover and His Spirit"

[Almostfaceman]

Yup

 

"The Lover and His Spirit"

 

What we don't know is how much of this is due to the artificial effect of the Veil. Solas hints - especially during your first conversations with him in Haven - that the relationship between spirit and "real" people could be different.