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[Jaydo]

Disclaimer: Dear all, if you do not agree with what I am about to tell you, please do not tear me a new one and there is also no need trying to change my mind. In fact, if you do not at all agree with what I will say, I suspect that you cannot answer my question.

 

I played Dragon Age Origins a long time ago and I am considering buying DA II and Inquisition (especially the latter), but there is something I want to know first: have the characters been improved/fixed compared to the first game?

 

In my opinion(!) the main characters of Origins were unlikable at best and broken at worst. Morrigan would dislike you for accepting parts of the main quest and her logic made no sense to me. Duncan was a psychotic religious extremist. The main character abandoned his parents to die. Leilana was an empty-headed better-than-thou goody-two-shoes attention seeker. The big guy was a serial killer I would never turn my back to. The dwarf...the dwarf was cool. Are the characters from the later games more...sensible?

[YourFunnyUncle]

Run away. You won't like the rest of the series any more.

[thats1evildude]

Umm ... this series is probably not for you.

Duncan was a psychotic religious extremist.

Duncan? Are you sure you're not thinking of someone else? Psychotic, maybe, but religious?

[ArcadiaGrey]

Nope, they're all quite varied and have issues.  A recurring theme is of dodgy characters finding it within themselves to help you out even if they've done shady things in the past.  

Inquisition has a larger roster, with Cassandra, Vivienne, Varric, Cullen and Josephine all being responsible 'good' types.

 

My advice?  Pick up DA2 on sale at a really good price and don't bother with the DLCs.  Make sure you give it until the middle of Act 2, so more than 10 hours, and if you like it keep going and consider getting Legacy DLC.  Then you can move onto Inquisition.

 

BUT, if you still dislike them then Dragon Age just ain't your game, but you won't have lost out on a lot of money as DA2 is very reasonably priced.

[vertigomez]

Oghren gets an A+, but everybody else sucks? What sort of Bizarro World have I stepped into?

[ArcadiaGrey]

Oghren gets an A+, but everybody else sucks? What sort of Bizarro World have I stepped into?

 

BSN  

[Aerebos]

Hm. It's a bit hard to attempt to compare the different world of DA to each other. Each story is different and as a result each character is tailored to the story. 

If trying to make all of your companions happy and make it seems as if it's possible for everyone in the world to approve every single time of your decisions or responses ...well that's a bit unrealistic. Each character is different and being apart of that is that they will disagree with things you do while others approve. Though I know exactly what you mean ....I hope. 

 

This of course is all my personal opinion. Taste buds may vary. 

 

Origins had very blatant positions when it came to what companions accepted or hated. It is very black and white, there is no gray. There is no reasoning, no compromise, or even the feeling of acceptance of the multitude of views. Morrigan is your most prime example. I feel Bioware was really just stepping into relationships and its affects in this first installment. Also did you ever take the time to really talk to your companions? I literally spent hours just talking in camp to these companions and they reveal a lot of depth, but I still did not like any of them save Zevran and sadly enough ....Sandal. 

 

DAII is akin to Origins. It is at times mostly black and white and companions are insensible beings scripted to react negatively or positively based on their spectrum. Are they sensible? To me, they were dull and basic archetypes. Not extremely so, but just dull and lacking beneath the bar that Origins set. You can literally see it as the middle ground between Origins and Inquisition in terms of characters. More sensible? (more being subjective) Yes. 

 

Inquisition to me personally is much more refined in that there is reason and logic even while there is discordance. It is much more realistic in that as humans we understand why our main character has taken a choice or said something. Companions are accepting your choices or the things you say and they realize that there are much more than just black and white positions, but are humanized by the fact that they can still agree or disagree. Inquisition has some of the best characters I feel. The conversation employ emotion at a vocal and physical level. Of course technology has come far since Origins, but that bit really helps to connect and create depth and also as I said before create a more human conversation and level of understanding with your companions. I feel the banter, the conversations, and the decisions and your companions responses to those things is what Origins attempted to create. Sensibility level? Max. Max for Bioware perhaps. 

 

As for Leliana ...you'll be surprised in Inquisition. For me, it was very pleasant. 

[Obadiah]

OP, if you think Duncan was a religious fanatic, then you won't like DAI. The game is mainly about culture affecting perception, culture that in this case is shaped mostly by the varying religious convictions of everyone.

[thats1evildude]

I don't even understand where the religious thing comes from. I mean, I can't remember Duncan professing a belief in anything, aside from the opening narration.

That's a really bad read of the character.

[AnimalBoy]

I wish the OP would have posted more then once to here his response to the feedback.

[ThePhoenixKing]

I don't even understand where the religious thing comes from. I mean, I can't remember Duncan professing a belief in anything, aside from the opening narration.

That's a really bad read of the character.

 

Yeah, that's an interpretation that's so far out of left field it's basically being played in the parking lot instead of the stadium. Hell, the OP's entire post just reads like something you might find on Earth-3, where good is bad and bad is good. How can anyone hate the core characters of Origins? They were great!

 

[thats1evildude]

Yeah, that's an interpretation that's so far out of left field it's basically being played in the parking lot instead of the stadium. Hell, the OP's entire post just reads like something you might find on Earth-3, where good is bad and bad is good. How can anyone hate the core characters of Origins? They were great!

 

And for Oghren to be the only likeable character of the lot? That's just a very odd world view.

[Forsythia77]

You're just gonna love Vivienne in DAI then!

 

No, but honestly I think the most enjoyable aspect of the game is that there are lots of characters who do not share my personal worldview or my character's role-played personality at all.  I like Cassandra a lot.  She is principled and really believes in the maker and all that.  I can respect that while personally believing in none of that rot, as a person who plays as a pro mage-freedom/anti-chantry mage. And that is the joy of the game.  Solas makes me mad on a personal level, but I have to stop meta-gaming and get in the headspace of the character I'm creating in order to properly relate to him.  

 

I think as the series has progressed the characters have become more nuanced while each having their own distinct personalities.  But Oghren as the most likeable character?  He was a stereotype of all things dwarfy (and not in a positive way). Too bad he wasn't more like Renn.  But then again Renn and Valta from the Descent DLC were much more nuanced and less stereotypical which I feel most of the characters are as the series has progressed.  

[Jaydo]

Thanks, folks, I think I get the picture. I'll see if I can get away with skipping the second game.

 

P.S. the old healer lady (I should really get better at remembering names) was ok too. A bit judgemental, but that's ok. I can understand judgemental. I cannot understand Morrigan. Things were coming out of her mouth but I just...eh... I gotta go.

[Abyss108]

huh 

 

You are the first person besides myself I've seen that thinks the Origins characters aren't great. 

 

 

Guess I'm not a special snowflake anymore!

[Tidus]

IMHO DA:O characters was the best in the series.. Its been down hill without brakes since.

[Panda]

Nah they are all complex characters- some people love them, some hate them and that's good. Usually there is always someone you love and someone you can't stand. Personally I can't stand Oghren so we likely have quite different taste in characters

[Jaydo]

This is just to come back on my own question, as I have now played quite a bit of DA:I.

 

The answer is "yes".

 

Yes, the characters are much better. Although, I can see how someone like Tidus would say that Origins had better characters because the Inquisition characters seem to have less color that the Origins characters. It's like a first person shooter situation where everyone is super serious, professional, political and a little dead inside. I don't see why we have to choose between color and subtlety, but ok.

 

Controls in this game on the other hand...Holy ****! I almost quit 5 minutes into the game. I just happened to have an Xbox controller lying around from my recent dive into co-op games, and when I plugged it in I realised how much this game was made for a controller and then poorly ported to PC. Even with the controller I ended up breaking my screen in anger. At one point you have to save multiple villagers almost simultaniously and your party members cannot be made to interact with the villagers separately and also refuse to hold their position in place. The hold-position command only half works. Anyway, that's it. Just thought I would answer the question for anyone who wondered.