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[IllustriousT]

I was sifting through another thread on the Inquisition spoiler about mages and demons and I am curious about a few things that maybe a lore discussion could help with. I will quote my original threads for simplicity sake

 

 

If using blood magic interferes with the mage's ability to connect with the fade, then how does possession take place? I understand that it might be a breaking down process - maybe  fade magic then has a half-life of sorts and is replaced with this blight magic? Blight magic is different then fade magic, so how do blood mage's who practice blood magic on a regular basis become possessed since they can no longer connect to the fade?

 

I know during DAII, many blood mage's kept throwing themselves at the whim of demons, but would a effort to become possessed then be needed? The will to be possessed instead of an effort to not be? Instead of giving in to possession that may have always existed before the use of blood magic - a blood mage would need to make a concerted effort to touch the fade and invite a demon in. 

 

In this case, blood magic could be used to prevent possession?

 

Just throwing some thought out there.

 

 

@IllustriousT (by Sah291)The lore hasn't really explained it yet, but I do have a theory. Blood magic is different from regular magic (drawn from the power of the fade), because it is drawing from the power of the physical plane. Demon possession appears to be a problem for weak blood mages at first, but looking at the more powerful ones we've seen, they are skilled at binding spirits and enslaving demons (not the other way around). I think blood magic (and by extension blight magic) might be a corrupted form of titan magic, and probably tied closely to the earthly/physical world. 

 

Interesting theory.

 

 It makes sense, since blood is a vital part of our physical bodies, whereas the fade is the place our life force/souls go once our physical bodies are no longer of any use. Darkspawn are empty vessels with no soul - so, blight magic would be the only kind of magic the emissaries or the Archdemon could conjure, and that makes sense. Blood Magic should then cause a weakening between the soul, therefore leaving Blood Mages...soulless (no pun intended). If soulless, they should not be able to contact demons or spirits that reside in the fade, unless they sacrificed other mages still connected to Fade magic to bind that spirit. 

 

Titan Magic derives from raw lyrium and fade magic uses lyrium, but blood magic does not require lyrium (if I remember correctly) - so I feel that the Titan magic and Fade Magic would be more closely associated with one another. 

 

 

Any thought or another thread I could look at?

[Treacherous J Slither]

Prior to DAI blood magic didn't make anything harder. It's the quick path to power. Great power.

All of a sudden Solas says differently. I say he's lying.

[Catilina]

Spoiler

[Treacherous J Slither]

Spoiler

No. It isn't.

Was there any blood magic in Inquisition?

Exactly.

[Catilina]

No. It isn't.

Was there any blood magic in Inquisition?

Exactly.

Not? Really?  Pfft ... I'm very disappointed.  

[Treacherous J Slither]

Not? Really? Pfft ... I'm very disappointed.

Who you telling lol

Mage rebels beholden to no laws. Free to do as they please and fighting for their lives against the very people who have oppressed them for so long. Yet you see NONE of them utilizing the very thing that would allow them to easily crush their enemies.

Ridiculous.

[Lazarillo]

Mage rebels beholden to no laws. Free to do as they please and fighting for their lives against the very people who have oppressed them for so long. Yet you see NONE of them utilizing the very thing that would allow them to easily crush their enemies.

Well keep in mind that most of the Rebel leaders still follow (or at least were raised in an environment of) Southern Andrasteism. It's unlikely any of them know much about Blood Magic, meaning they'd need to learn from demons, and that probably wouldn't be tolerated. In Redcliffe there's a Rebel Mage who makes it clear she'd do Blood Magic all day every day if she could (and we see her sacrificing people in the bad future), but she doesn't really know how, so she's happy to see a Tevinter taking the reins.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Well keep in mind that most of the Rebel leaders still follow (or at least were raised in an environment of) Southern Andrasteism. It's unlikely any of them know much about Blood Magic, meaning they'd need to learn from demons, and that probably wouldn't be tolerated. In Redcliffe there's a Rebel Mage who makes it clear she'd do Blood Magic all day every day if she could (and we see her sacrificing people in the bad future), but she doesn't really know how, so she's happy to see a Tevinter taking the reins.

Then summon a demon and learn. It's that or death by Templar. Easy decision.

Also, are we to believe that no one had access to text or people with the necessary information? This rebellion was by all the mages in Thedas right? Yet none of them, not even the nobles, had access to resources that would enable them to get their hands on text relating to blood magic or actual blood mages to learn from? Are we also to believe that no one had the guts to experiment and learn the hard way?

When you're fighting for your life against an unjust oppressor who has you backed into a corner, what AREN'T you willing to do to see that you reach your goals? I bet it's a small list. Very small.

[SandiKay0]

I believe those were the ones the inquistor was killing in the woods. The ones in redcliffe were the ones who were outvoted I think.

[Sah291]

Prior to DAI blood magic didn't make anything harder. It's the quick path to power. Great power.
All of a sudden Solas says differently. I say he's lying.

Hmm, not necessarily. He says that blood magic weakens one's connection to the fade (the mage's). But we also know that large amounts of violence and blood sacrifice can bust a hole in the Veil. This was how the original magisters attempted to break into the Golden City. It was also the reason why the Veil was thin in Kirkwall.

But we are told an important detail by Corypheus...which was that the city wasn't golden when he got there, and was already black. He entered the Black City. He felt betrayed by his gods and lost faith at that point, after which he decided to make himself a god since there was no maker.

The lore states that the golden city was the heart of heaven and seat of the maker. The black city, by contrast, can be seen from everywhere in the fade, as a constant, but is actually impossible to reach from anywhere in the fade. It is also said to be the source of the taint/blight, and of darkness and nightmares.

That leaves the possible conclusion that Cory and the magisters never actually physically reached the golden city, but the abyss/underworld.

If blood magic is a dark power born out of the abyss, feeding on physical energy, then maybe it consumes spirit, and possibly aslo the fade itself.

As for demon possession, to expand on what I said above... Demons are spirits who desire to cross the Veil into the physical plane, so perhaps they are simply more attracted to blood mages, who exert power over the fade and other spiritual entities as they do.

[The Ascendant]

Hopefully Blood Magic and demons play a more prominent role in the next DA game. 

[GoldenGail3]

Hopefully Blood Magic and demons play a more prominent role in the next DA game.

I like that - so MORE THINGS TO KILL!!!

[Catilina]

I like that - so MORE THINGS TO KILL!!!

Bloody bloodthirsty!

[The Ascendant]

I like that - so MORE THINGS TO KILL!!!

I meant story wise and on a lore development point of view. If we are playing in Tevinter next, then it should hopefully be a more impacting decision if we do use bloofd magic or collude with demons.

[GoldenGail3]

I meant story wise and on a lore development point of view. If we are playing in Tevinter next, then it should hopefully be a more impacting decision if we do use bloofd magic or collude with demons.

Yeah, that's true. But I don't think my Mage will be like that in next game.... Probaly will be a Spirt Healer (if there's that class) if I can be one,,.

[Akiza]

Spoiler

Said the inquisitor who never ever used it...

A reliable source indeed!

[GoldenGail3]

Said the inquisitor who never ever used it...

A reliable source indeed!

He should've used the Warden or Hawke rather then the Quiz; they can use Blood Magic.

[Catilina]

Said the inquisitor who never ever used it...

A reliable source indeed!

1. How do you know that he can't use blood magic? Why should not he know? He studied well before the Inquisition, and he have life before the Inquisition... For example, in the beginning he could only throw a fire ball, maybe because he's main specc was the blood magic...
2. The fact that you don't use something, whatever you can say from it. Up they do not believe youm this is true.

 

The true question is: so why I protect a bad joke? 

[Treacherous J Slither]

Hmm, not necessarily. He says that blood magic weakens one's connection to the fade (the mage's). But we also know that large amounts of violence and blood sacrifice can bust a hole in the Veil. This was how the original magisters attempted to break into the Golden City. It was also the reason why the Veil was thin in Kirkwall.

But we are told an important detail by Corypheus...which was that the city wasn't golden when he got there, and was already black. He entered the Black City. He felt betrayed by his gods and lost faith at that point, after which he decided to make himself a god since there was no maker.

The lore states that the golden city was the heart of heaven and seat of the maker. The black city, by contrast, can be seen from everywhere in the fade, as a constant, but is actually impossible to reach from anywhere in the fade. It is also said to be the source of the taint/blight, and of darkness and nightmares.

That leaves the possible conclusion that Cory and the magisters never actually physically reached the golden city, but the abyss/underworld.

If blood magic is a dark power born out of the abyss, feeding on physical energy, then maybe it consumes spirit, and possibly aslo the fade itself.

As for demon possession, to expand on what I said above... Demons are spirits who desire to cross the Veil into the physical plane, so perhaps they are simply more attracted to blood mages, who exert power over the fade and other spiritual entities as they do.

The lore doesn't state that the Golden City was the heart of Heaven and the seat of the Maker. That is Chantry dogma. The Maker isn't real and there is no heaven. No one knows for sure what the black city is or even if it's a city at all. Something can be seen from far off but no one knows what it is. Who says it's the source of darkness and nightmares? How could anybody know? That distant structure is a mystery. That's all it is.

Blood magic is simply a far more powerful alternative to Fade sourced magic. Blood magic draws on life force instead of Fade energy. It has nothing to do with the Fade. That is why Templars are powerless against it. Because they can't use their anti Fade magic abilities to stop magic that doesn't come from the Fade.

It doesn't make sense according to what we know of the lore for demons to be more attracted to blood mages because of their use of blood magic. It makes far more sense for demons to be more attracted to Fade sourced mages who draw a lot of power from the Fade because they're very powerful mages or because they're mages that specialize in the Spirit school of magic which is the one most heavily involved with the Fade.

Any mage who isn't a blood mage is a fool.

[The Ascendant]

Hopefully it will make a triumphant return in a Tevinter setting where it 'doesn't happen' of course. I wonder if we could play a Dreamer Mage like Feynriel or Aurileus Titus and mild the Fade to our liking. Hmm. Much prefer to be a Sominari than a Blood Mage.

[Illegitimus]

Blood magic is simply a far more powerful alternative to Fade sourced magic. Blood magic draws on life force instead of Fade energy. It has nothing to do with the Fade. That is why Templars are powerless against it. Because they can't use their anti Fade magic abilities to stop magic that doesn't come from the Fade.
 

 

Actually I can and have used Templar abilities against blood magic spells.  

[Treacherous J Slither]

Actually I can and have used Templar abilities against blood magic spells.

Of course you have. The player character and friends can do anything.

[Illegitimus]

Of course you have. The player character and friends can do anything.

 

I can think of many things they can't do.  For example keep Templar abilities from working on their own magic including blood magic.  Blood magic has one advantage.  It doesn't use mana and therefore it doesn't matter so much that Templars can drain your magic.  But Templar dispels work on blood magic same as always.

[Treacherous J Slither]

I can think of many things they can't do. For example keep Templar abilities from working on their own magic including blood magic. Blood magic has one advantage. It doesn't use mana and therefore it doesn't matter so much that Templars can drain your magic. But Templar dispels work on blood magic same as always.

Not according to the lore.

[Illegitimus]

Not according to the lore.

 

I have never found any lore that says blood magicians have any advantage over Templar powers except for their lack of dependence on mana.   After all, Templars were originally created to fight the Tevinter magisters and seem to have experienced significant success.