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[JWvonGoethe]

Regarding your first paragraph, I could have agree with you if the alpha content was showed in a convention in 1992. Bioware as any other game developer knows pretty well that these showings will be liked because people come to those places with recording devices and whatever the content, it will be spread fast and will create understandable hype about said upcoming game. I don't get how you can say that the game ended up not being too different from the alpha content. It was like two different games setup in a similar world.
 
No one can have a real idea about a game playing it for 5 hours. The majority of casual gamers weren't even aware of these free tries or demos. Regarding professional reviewers, I can only say they either may get paid by developers to give these ridiculous misleadingly great review or they just watch some videos and base their reviews on them. I'm sorry but based on their highly praised reviews of so many mediocre games, I can't trust them.
 
I'm sorry but the reality is that no matter which website you try (this very forum not excluded), the majority of customer's reviews for DAI were horrible. I won't believe in a conspiracy theory of angry ME gamers. it doesn't make sense.

I think you're making too many wild assumptions here. If you are going to bring up unfounded allegations about BioWare paying off review websites then I don't think there's any way I can really respond.

As for 4chan, everything there gets automatically deleted after a short amount of time so it's hard to provide links. However, I can give you a Reddit thread about how 4chan was flaming the game - bear in mind that this thread was from 7 days before DA:I was even released. Somewhat predictably, the thread then got invaded by 4chan users.

Anyway, I feel like I'm getting off-topic here. Regarding sales figures, if DA4 gets the go ahead then it doesn't matter that much to me how well the game sold (although by most accounts it seems to have done pretty well). From all the developer hints it seems hopeful that there will be a DA4 so I'm not too worried.

[vertigomez]

I am extremely interested to see how the next dragon age games does coming off of Inquisition.  People say DA2 was bad and I won't even argue that even though there were parts that I liked in DA2 and I bought both games. I think Inquisition was the last straw for a lot of people in many different ways and I want to see the results.

Honestly, this statement is applicable to every DLC, expansion, and sequel that comes out. How many people ragequit after/before/during DA2, or when the OGB turned out to be irrelevant, or Leliana came back from the dead, or..?

[Andraste_Reborn]

I am extremely interested to see how the next dragon age game does coming off of Inquisition.  People say DA2 was bad and I won't even argue that even though there were parts that I liked in DA2 and I bought both games.  I think Inquisition was the last straw for a lot of people in many different ways and I want to see the results.

 

Anecdotes are not data, but in the wilds of Real Life I've run across far fewer people who disliked DAI than people who disliked DA2. It's rather nice being able to talk about the franchise without having to explain that I actually enjoyed the latest installment.

 

(I love all three games, although Inquisition is my favourite.)

[vbibbi]

Honestly, this statement is applicable to every DLC, expansion, and sequel that comes out. How many people ragequit after/before/during DA2, or when the OGB turned out to be irrelevant, or Leliana came back from the dead, or..?

I ragequit every morning and come back begging before nightfall. It's an unhealthy relationship, but we make it work!

[Evamitchelle]

Only concrete numbers I could find from EA is that DAO sold 3.2 million in the first 3 months and DA2 more than 1 million in less than two weeks (over 2 million shipped by July 2012). They also said that DAI was the most successful launch in terms of copies sold in Bioware history. Previous most successful was ME3 with 3.5 million copies shipped in the first week (890k sold day one in NA, 1.3 million physical in March in the US according to NPD).

 

Other numbers seem to take vgchartz as their source, which just isn't accurate (e.g. they have TW3's PC sales as 0.56 million as of February 2016 when CDPR announced in June 2015 that it had sold 1.3 million). So basically, we can't know for sure, though I think it's likely that The Witcher series sold more than DA. 

[IllustriousT]

I think, no matter the opinion on each game respectively, that we cannot ignore that Bioware is a successful game developer. It has many fans of DA and ME...and I'm one of them.  

[Realmzmaster]

If DA4 gets greenlighted then DAI sold well enough and made a profit for EA. The fact that Witcher 3 sold whatever number of copies is good for CDPR. Congratulations to CDPR.

 

Posters like to point to the sale numbers and say see this game is better than that game because it sold more copies. If that is the case then Skyrim is a much better game than Witcher 3. GTA V and COD must be two of greatest games and series of all time

[thats1evildude]

If DA4 gets greenlighted then DAI sold well enough and made a profit for EA. The fact that Witcher 3 sold whatever number of copies is good for CDPR. Congratulations to CDPR.

Posters like to point to the sale numbers and say see this game is better than that game because it sold more copies. If that is the case then Skyrim is a much better game than Witcher 3. GTA V and COD must be two of greatest games and series of all time

And Call of Duty and GTA are outsold by Pokemon by a fair margin. Clearly, we need to incorporate more capturing of animals with tiny balls in the next Dragon Age.

Nuggalope, I choose you! Use Snuffle Snuffle!

[Blood Mage Reaver]

There is a huge difference between Witcher and DA which places the former closer to ME than the latter.

 

Namely, that we are told the story of a single protagonist who has great impact in the setting around him.

 

Give or take, video games today are more like franchises selling a great tale than just what we play to pass our time and keeping the audience emotionally invested is easier with a recurring protagonist than with a new one every game.

 

While we can argue that DA games are more focused on telling the story of the setting itself, there is only so much the lore itself can carry our interest foward if the shoes we put on to see it keep changing everytime.

 

BioWare needs to introduce us the major story which they are trying to tell, one which is too great for a single game and must be told at least in a trilogy with the MC going through all major world changes which it's actions help set foward.

 

DA2 had the right idea of letting us follow several acts of a single character but executed it rather poorly, ideally we need something like LoTR where you are introduced to a fresh hero and each game is equivalent to a book developing the setting around him and his companions.

 

More or less like:

 

DA4-Book One: MC is just a nobody with some weird attribute that sets hir apart from others but ends up playing a pivotal role in the plot with Solas.

DA5-Book Two: MC is has to deal with the consequences of stopping Solas, facing the Evanuris/Titans prevents hir from reveling in his newly gained hero status.

DA6-Book Three: MC must bring together a world gone mad and face a desperate struggle to stop the it from ending, all or nothing against the Maker.

 

You get the idea.

[vertigomez]

There is a huge difference between Witcher and DA which places the former closer to ME than the latter.
 
Namely, that we are told the story of a single protagonist who has great impact in the setting around him.
 
Give or take, video games today are more like franchises selling a great tale than just what we play to pass our time and keeping the audience emotionally invested is easier with a recurring protagonist than with a new one every game.

While we can argue that DA games are more focused on telling the story of the setting itself, there is only so much the lore itself can carry our interest foward if the shoes we put on to see it keep changing everytime.

What if you're emotionally invested in the setting, rather than one specific hero? My interest is in Thedas.

I'm emotionally invested in the Warden, in Hawke, and in the Inquisitor. I can see and/or imagine what their individual lives are like, how their different backgrounds and races and classes impact their relationships with the people around them. When I feel nostalgic for one protagonist or another, I replay the game where they're the star of the show. But if it was all about the Grey Wardens, or all about Hawke, I'd never be able to explore Thedas from a new perspective.
 

BioWare needs to introduce us the major story which they are trying to tell, one which is too great for a single game and must be told at least in a trilogy with the MC going through all major world changes which it's actions help set foward.
 
DA2 had the right idea of letting us follow several acts of a single character but executed it rather poorly, ideally we need something like LoTR where you are introduced to a fresh hero and each game is equivalent to a book developing the setting around him and his companions.
 
More or less like:
 
DA4-Book One: MC is just a nobody with some weird attribute that sets hir apart from others but ends up playing a pivotal role in the plot with Solas.
DA5-Book Two: MC is has to deal with the consequences of stopping Solas, facing the Evanuris/Titans prevents hir from reveling in his newly gained hero status.
DA6-Book Three: MC must bring together a world gone mad and face a desperate struggle to stop the it from ending, all or nothing against the Maker.
 
You get the idea.

Please no. Obviously everyone has a different opinion, but this is the absolute last thing I want to see. It becomes all about one specific protagonist solving the world's problems instead of being able to explore this rich setting from multiple perspectives. Want to be a Grey Warden? Want to be a refugee? Want to ****** off the Chantry? You can! Just pop in DAO/DA2/DAI! I think about what it would be like if every game was all about the Warden-Commander whipping the world into shape, or Hawke just being so amazing that they happen to be involved in every single major conflict in the world, and my gut churns.