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[Cute Nug]

If the Inquisitor's story is "conclusively" tied/cut off then I guess this means the DA4 protag will be The Hero of Thedas Solas as we fix the veiled world!

 

Or maybe we get to play as the southern Divine as she gets an Andraste complex and goes all exalted marchy on Tevinter, the Qunari, and the Grey Spawn for the murder of the previous Divine. Cuz big hats are awesome! Might have to change my choice of Divine. Viv was a missed opportunity as a companion in DAI but she would be a fun protag in DA4.

 

Conclusively

adjective

1. serving to settle or decide a question; decisive; convincing:

conclusive evidence.

2. tending to terminate; closing.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

 

If the Inquisitor's story is "conclusively" tied/cut off then I guess this means the DA4 protag will be The Hero of Thedas Solas as we fix the veiled world!

 

A reasonable assumption.

 

 

 

Or maybe we get to play as the southern Divine as she gets an Andraste complex and goes all exalted marchy on Tevinter, the Qunari, and the Grey Spawn for the murder of the previous Divine. Cuz big hats are awesome! Might have to change my choice of Divine. Viv was a missed opportunity as a companion in DAI but she would be a fun protag in DA4.

Not that I'd necessarily be opposed to a game that followed this idea, but where the heck did it come from?

 

I'm also not sure the Inquisitor's story was "conclusively" tied off, as it was heavily hinted they were going to be involved in whatever confrontation with Solas comes. Though their missing arm and the fact that Solas (apparently) knows their style in and out forwards and backwards does hint that they'll be trying to stay out of the fighting. So, Bioware might have accomplished this.

[AedanStarfang]

There can still be dwarven stuff in Tevinter, I mean come on it's not like the disappeared Dwemer of the Elder Scrolls - we can always learn more.

[Iakus]

There can still be dwarven stuff in Tevinter, I mean come on it's not like the disappeared Dwemer of the Elder Scrolls - we can always learn more.

Dwarves apparently hold a unique position in Tevinter.  Not truly citizens but more like foreign dignitaries.  I think it would be really interesting to explore that relationship.

[Cute Nug]

A reasonable assumption.

 

 

Not that I'd necessarily be opposed to a game that followed this idea, but where the heck did it come from?

 

I'm also not sure the Inquisitor's story was "conclusively" tied off, as it was heavily hinted they were going to be involved in whatever confrontation with Solas comes. Though their missing arm and the fact that Solas (apparently) knows their style in and out forwards and backwards does hint that they'll be trying to stay out of the fighting. So, Bioware might have accomplished this.

 

Playing part of the game as Solas could be very interesting if done well but I think there is too much player animosity against Solas and Bioware will stick to plain vanilla expected design choices. They need to do something different than DAI so Solas doesn't end up another sad pointless villian like Corybits.

 

Exalted March is total left field speculation. However, every game so far has had significant wars and chantry involvement. An exalted march potentially could be a good excuse/cover for southern agents acting against Solas plans. As much as I would like to play as the under-realized character Viv I hope Bioware doesn't try to have us lead a multi-nation organization again. DAO and DA2 succeeded with a group of companions in a story and DAI failed trying to present the creation of a multi-nation organization leading the story to save the world. I hope they are able to focus on their past strength of story telling through the experiences of a band of companions and avoid the disconnect of pretending we are leading a huge organization they can't portray with dev time and game engine limitations.

[BansheeOwnage]

A reasonable assumption.

 

 

Not that I'd necessarily be opposed to a game that followed this idea, but where the heck did it come from?

 

I'm also not sure the Inquisitor's story was "conclusively" tied off, as it was heavily hinted they were going to be involved in whatever confrontation with Solas comes. Though their missing arm and the fact that Solas (apparently) knows their style in and out forwards and backwards does hint that they'll be trying to stay out of the fighting. So, Bioware might have accomplished this.

Yeah, see, I never understood that. It hardly matters if Solas knows the Inquisitor's fighting style, since he'd curbstomp them in a fight regardless, and at best he could try to tell his forces their weaknesses, but that seems a bit moot now that they'll have to partially relearn fighting anyway. Bull also points out that knowing weaknesses (enemies know his) doesn't mean they'll win.

 

When it comes to non-fighting aspects, like troop tactics, diplomacy, subterfuge, etc. he really doesn't know the Inquisitor well enough to make a difference, because it was mostly the advisors who made decisions, tactical or otherwise. Now that the Inquisitor is not shackled by the Inquisition itself, they can come into their own, and surprise Solas (which he also points out happens a lot).

[Medhia_Nox]

Dwarves apparently hold a unique position in Tevinter.  Not truly citizens but more like foreign dignitaries.  I think it would be really interesting to explore that relationship.

 

I would love to play a dwarf in Tevinter. 

 

It makes total sense that dwarves are important... how else would Tevinter get all the lyrium they need?  

 

Plus I think they have some super-golems or some such protecting Minrathous. 

[Cute Nug]

 

Conclusively inconceivably Bioware

[IllustriousT]

I would love to play a dwarf in Tevinter. 

 

It makes total sense that dwarves are important... how else would Tevinter get all the lyrium they need?  

 

Plus I think they have some super-golems or some such protecting Minrathous. 

 

Ooo...maybe we'll be able to fight a Juggernaut - kind of like the DA:II Meredith boss battle, except bigger and better. 

 

Mind blown.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Yeah, see, I never understood that. It hardly matters if Solas knows the Inquisitor's fighting style, since he'd curbstomp them in a fight regardless, and at best he could try to tell his forces their weaknesses, but that seems a bit moot now that they'll have to partially relearn fighting anyway. Bull also points out that knowing weaknesses (enemies know his) doesn't mean they'll win.

 

When it comes to non-fighting aspects, like troop tactics, diplomacy, subterfuge, etc. he really doesn't know the Inquisitor well enough to make a difference, because it was mostly the advisors who made decisions, tactical or otherwise. Now that the Inquisitor is not shackled by the Inquisition itself, they can come into their own, and surprise Solas (which he also points out happens a lot).

Leiliana seems to think he understands her well enough to outmaneuver the Inquisition's subterfuge department. Though as for surprising Solas, while what the Inquisitor hit on doing not the only way they can do this, it certainly is one way. And I get the feeling it's the last thing anyone who knows Dalish history would expect a Dalish Elf to do.

 

Though I think one reason we need a new PC is that Solas absorbed something from Flemeth. The most obvious guess for what he'd need to drain Flemeth for would be Mythal's soul, which could be a very bad thing for the Inquisitor's hope of being the one to defeat Solas if the Inquisitor is the one that drank from the Well.

[vbibbi]

Yeah, see, I never understood that. It hardly matters if Solas knows the Inquisitor's fighting style, since he'd curbstomp them in a fight regardless, and at best he could try to tell his forces their weaknesses, but that seems a bit moot now that they'll have to partially relearn fighting anyway. Bull also points out that knowing weaknesses (enemies know his) doesn't mean they'll win.

 

When it comes to non-fighting aspects, like troop tactics, diplomacy, subterfuge, etc. he really doesn't know the Inquisitor well enough to make a difference, because it was mostly the advisors who made decisions, tactical or otherwise. Now that the Inquisitor is not shackled by the Inquisition itself, they can come into their own, and surprise Solas (which he also points out happens a lot).

It's not stated either way, but I could very easily see Solas spying on the Inner Circle during DAI through dreams. It would be easy enough for him since they're all sharing the same location so the spirits in Haven/Skyhold would be able to witness a lot of what's going on.

 

It would be funny if Solas made the comment about political intrigue at the WP even when not in the party, revealing that he actually hadn't been there but had been stalking the Inquisitor through their dreams.   That's why he disapproves when called out on it, he was caught with his Fade trousers down!

[Nefla]

Yeah, see, I never understood that. It hardly matters if Solas knows the Inquisitor's fighting style, since he'd curbstomp them in a fight regardless, and at best he could try to tell his forces their weaknesses, but that seems a bit moot now that they'll have to partially relearn fighting anyway. Bull also points out that knowing weaknesses (enemies know his) doesn't mean they'll win.

 

When it comes to non-fighting aspects, like troop tactics, diplomacy, subterfuge, etc. he really doesn't know the Inquisitor well enough to make a difference, because it was mostly the advisors who made decisions, tactical or otherwise. Now that the Inquisitor is not shackled by the Inquisition itself, they can come into their own, and surprise Solas (which he also points out happens a lot).

Same here. Even if he did know the inquisition's style and tactics so well (and we all know how good Solas is at predicting the outcome of things...) he doesn't know the inquisitor themselves. At most he knows the advisors and what they could and would do under the power structure and constraints of a large, public, military and political organization. The inquisitor was an extremely restricted figurehead that made no decisions about how the inquisition was run aside from which drapes to pick, what to do with prisoners, and whether to plant an herb garden...As a person and an unrestricted free agent Solas knows little to nothing about them.

 

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Solas 'aint no Grand Admiral Thrawn. He'd be lucky to predict whether or not the sun would come up in the morning.

[Reznore57]

Besides Solas as an antagonist if  he fills that role in DA4 is overpowered.

We've never faced anyone like that honestly.

Here's a guy who can turn you to stone with his intense frowny stare , is probably the best dreamer alive so can take a look in people's mind if he's so inclined or ask spirits for informations , has a network of Eluvians all over Thedas , and let's not get into history and magical knowledge lost to time ...also is kind of paranoid as he doesn't truly trust anyone but himself.

So the "The Inquisitor can't do it because Solas knows him/her." Errr...problem is no one can actually face/trick /spy on Solas right now , you could maybe get a few elven spies in his group but I doubt he'd tell his plans to a random current elves , and with him leading a war against Evanuris in the past ,etc he probably is intelligent enough to separate elves in different cells and gives them only the information they need to perform whatever.

 

So Inquisitor or new random hero will need an edge , help from random ancient being , or random super magical artifact /relics to tip the balance anyway.

[Dai Grepher]

^Hero of Ferelden. Valta and her Titan. The remaining old gods. Eleni Zinovia.

The (ex)Inquisitor will need to think ahead of Solas. Make him doubt his plan. Learn more of the histories. Set up a contingency plan in case the Veil does fall. Gain the support of various mages who can search the Fade and possibly help others survive if the Veil falls.

We don't know if Solas' petrification works on non-Qunari, but it would be wise to figure out how to block that kind of magic.

[Blood Mage Reaver]

Solas is not invincible, remember that petrification already existed in DAO, it's just another form of Fade manipulation which he has mastered but it can be countered provided you gain sufficient control of the Fade to deny his influence.

This is the reason Solas just doesn't steam rolls his way into freeing every slave elf from Thedas, powerful as he is he can't match an army of mages or templars who have the quantity to match his quality.

The Qunari he pawned weren't templars, they likely tried to use some form of concoction to face his magic but it just doesn't work against someone of his level.

Above all, the Viddasala wasn't prepared to face Fen'Harrel himself, she brought a contingent to deal with what was thought to be simply a mage under his orders.

If you pay attention, you'll realize that Dragon's Breath was already out of Saarebas when they confronted Solas, meaning they had no real Fade control to confront his.

It was likely that Saarath, an abnormally strong Saarebas powered up by several pounds of lyrium (possibly even red), was Viddasala's trumph card against any powerful elven mage she encountered but since she was forced to use that card on the Inquisitor she was basically minced meat upon facing Solas without serious magical back up.

[Nefla]

You know who Solas doesn't know? Sandal. Recruit Sandal and be done with Solas by suppertime

[Hanako Ikezawa]

You know who Solas doesn't know? Sandal. Recruit Sandal and be done with Solas by suppertime

Even if Solas does know about Sandal, there is nothing he can do to stop him. 

Maybe that's why Sandal wasn't in DAI, since if he was he would just 'enchantment' Corypheus, 'not enchantment' Solas, and 'boom' their armies.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

You know who Solas doesn't know? Sandal. Recruit Sandal and be done with Solas by suppertime

I think one of Sandal's quotes from DA2 implies that he's on Solas's side.

 

Do I have permission to panic yet?

[Reznore57]

You know who Solas doesn't know? Sandal. Recruit Sandal and be done with Solas by suppertime

 

Actually with Sandal being a dwarf , Solas wouldn't be able to see him in the fade.

We finally found our secret weapon .

[BansheeOwnage]

It's not stated either way, but I could very easily see Solas spying on the Inner Circle during DAI through dreams. It would be easy enough for him since they're all sharing the same location so the spirits in Haven/Skyhold would be able to witness a lot of what's going on.

 

It would be funny if Solas made the comment about political intrigue at the WP even when not in the party, revealing that he actually hadn't been there but had been stalking the Inquisitor through their dreams.   That's why he disapproves when called out on it, he was caught with his Fade trousers down!

That might be true, but I still think he wouldn't gain a whole lot of insight into the Inquisitor themselves.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That might be true, but I still think he wouldn't gain a whole lot of insight into the Inquisitor themselves.

Yeah. Solas isn't the only one who can play a role. 

[Ahriman]

Since Bioware denies my RP on Old God follower beginning from DA2, I really hope we get tevinter PC. This way it would be almost impossible for them to shove being andrastian in my mouth again.

I think one of Sandal's quotes from DA2 implies that he's on Solas's side.

 

Do I have permission to panic yet?

I guess we are done then.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Since Bioware denies my RP on Old God follower beginning from DA2, I really hope we get tevinter PC. This way it would be almost impossible for them to shove being andrastian in my mouth again.

 

Most residents of Tevinter are Andrastian - just a different flavour from those in the south. If there are Old God followers there, they're secretive cultists.

 

That said, I doubt they'll force the player to be Andrastian in DA4. They didn't in Inquisition, after all. I doubt you'll get the opportunity to openly declare that you follow the Old Gods, though, any more than you'll be able to say that you follow Hakkon Wintersbreath or the Chasind pantheon or any other minority human religion that might be out there.

[Ahriman]

Most residents of Tevinter are Andrastian - just a different flavour from those in the south. If there are Old God followers there, they're secretive cultists.

Yes, I'm aware of it, but it would be less of default background than in Ferelden/Orlais.

 

They didn't in Inquisition, after all.

Sure they didn't. I could say that I'm not andrastian dozen of times, but nobody cared apparently.

[Nefla]

I'm expecting a new protagonist to be from Orlais (but somehow with an English accent instead of the fake French one) or maybe Ferelden again but definitely not from Tevinter. If BioWare follows their tradition of having each protagonist be from the place the last game was set, any new protagonist of DA4 will likely be from Orlais since Hawke and possibly the HoF were from Ferelden already. I feel like BioWare doesn't want to do the extra work required to present the new country in a way that lets the player pick up all the information they need without having the protagonist ask jarring questions that someone who's from there should know. They of course also don't want the PC to be asking those jarring questions they're already supposed to know the answer to either.

 

But...what do I know? I didn't expect them to throw away the mage-templar war they'd set up or the inquisitor vs Solas conflict. They may well have a Tevinter PC who doesn't know anything about Tevinter.