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[vbibbi]

I'm expecting a new protagonist to be from Orlais (but somehow with an English accent instead of the fake French one) or maybe Ferelden again but definitely not from Tevinter. If BioWare follows their tradition of having each protagonist be from the place the last game was set, any new protagonist of DA4 will likely be from Orlais since Hawke and possibly the HoF were from Ferelden already. I feel like BioWare doesn't want to do the extra work required to present the new country in a way that lets the player pick up all the information they need without having the protagonist ask jarring questions that someone who's from there should know. They of course also don't want the PC to be asking those jarring questions they're already supposed to know the answer to either.

 

But...what do I know? I didn't expect them to throw away the mage-templar war they'd set up or the inquisitor vs Solas conflict. They may well have a Tevinter PC who doesn't know anything about Tevinter.

They will be from Orlais originally but were captured in a border skirmish and sold into slavery, at an early enough age that they didn't develop the Orlesian accent.

 

Or if not a slave, just from the northern borders of Orlais where the strong Heartlands accent is much fainter and the PC has had enough interaction with other countries that the accent is completely gone. (Fereldan exchange student?)

[Heimdall]

I want to play a devout imperial Andrastian qunari mage,

[IllustriousT]

I want to play a devout imperial Andrastian qunari mage,

 

 

[ArcaneEsper]

If they go the slave route then the PC should be Tevinter. That way asking all those questions seems less jarring. If they go the Orlesian or (doubt it, but maybe?) Fereldan route I'd prefer not to be a slave. That's just me though.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

 

Sure they didn't. I could say that I'm not andrastian dozen of times, but nobody cared apparently.

That's not the same as forcing you to believe. Everyone acts like you believe, but the fact remains that you've established you don't.

[Ahriman]

That's not the same as forcing you to believe. Everyone acts like you believe, but the fact remains that you've established you don't.

But in same time it's practically headcanon, even DAO did better, since it wasn't questioning it every half an hour.

If BioWare follows their tradition of having each protagonist be from the place the last game was set

I wouldn't call it a tradition if only one game follows it.

[vbibbi]

 

I wouldn't call it a tradition if only one game follows it.

 

DAO is the first game so it can't have a precedent PC background. But Hawke is from Ferelden and the Inquisitor is from the Free Marches, regardless of background.

 

DA4 protag is going to be from Val Chevin. DA5 protagonist is going to be from Marnus Pell. I read a leaked survey. It's true.

[Ahriman]

 the Inquisitor is from the Free Marches, regardless of background.

Uhm, okay.

[Dai Grepher]

You know who Solas doesn't know? Sandal. Recruit Sandal and be done with Solas by suppertime

Sandal's journal is in the Vir Dirthara. Solas read it already. He also visited Sandal and absorbed his powers.

I feel like BioWare doesn't want to do the extra work required to present the new country in a way that lets the player pick up all the information they need without having the protagonist ask jarring questions that someone who's from there should know. They of course also don't want the PC to be asking those jarring questions they're already supposed to know the answer to either.

The Tevinter PC can simply pick up codex entries to learn more about Tevinter, or examine statues, or even narrate at times.

[vbibbi]

Uhm, okay.

???

 

You said only one game followed the tradition of the PC being from the previous game's location. Both DA2 and DAI follow this.

[Nefla]

I wouldn't call it a tradition if only one game follows it.

DA2 was set in the free marches but the protagonist was from Ferelden (DA:O's setting), DA:I was set in Orlais/Ferelden and the protagonist was from the free marches (DA2's setting). Out of 3 games, only Origins didn't follow this (and obviously it couldn't because there WAS no previous game).

[Nefla]

The Tevinter PC can simply pick up codex entries to learn more about Tevinter, or examine statues, or even narrate at times.

Ah, the good old "tell, don't show" approach. They might as well just release an guidebook alongside the game saying "Tevinter is like this, the culture is like this, the people are like this, etc..." if they're just going to rely on codex entries again.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I want to play a devout imperial Andrastian qunari mage,

After some reflection, that sounds like something I'm going to have to do too.

 

Edit: On second thought, it loses some of the humor potential if the Imperial Andrastian Qunari is a mage. Maybe if the Templar spec is still available I'll do that instead.

[vbibbi]

Ah, the good old "tell, don't show" approach. They might as well just release an guidebook alongside the game saying "Tevinter is like this, the culture is like this, the people are like this, etc..." if they're just going to rely on codex entries again.

Or allow us to respond to a foreign NPC's questions about Tevinter by reciting codex entries.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm expecting a new protagonist to be from Orlais (but somehow with an English accent instead of the fake French one) or maybe Ferelden again but definitely not from Tevinter. If BioWare follows their tradition of having each protagonist be from the place the last game was set, any new protagonist of DA4 will likely be from Orlais since Hawke and possibly the HoF were from Ferelden already. I feel like BioWare doesn't want to do the extra work required to present the new country in a way that lets the player pick up all the information they need without having the protagonist ask jarring questions that someone who's from there should know. They of course also don't want the PC to be asking those jarring questions they're already supposed to know the answer to either.

 

But...what do I know? I didn't expect them to throw away the mage-templar war they'd set up or the inquisitor vs Solas conflict. They may well have a Tevinter PC who doesn't know anything about Tevinter.

This made me chuckle, but honestly I think it's about 50/50 whether they'll have another outsider (might as well be the Inquisitor in that case) or a completely ignorant Tevinter-native

 

Anyway, I seriously doubt they'll give us an orlesian accent as well (unless it's the second voice option), but there has been at least one Orlesian without an Orlesian accent: Thom Rainier.

[vbibbi]

This made me chuckle, but honestly I think it's about 50/50 whether they'll have another outsider (might as well be the Inquisitor in that case) or a completely ignorant Tevinter-native

 

Anyway, I seriously doubt they'll give us an orlesian accent as well (unless it's the second voice option), but there has been at least one Orlesian without an Orlesian accent: Thom Rainier.

I think Rainier is from the Free Marches. He mentioned that he entered the tournament there, got the attention of some nobleman who trained him and got him connections to the Orlesian army, then he went to Orlais. Or something along those lines.

 

I do think it's funny that Varric is the only Kirkwall native (though Seb is still from FM) and Leliana is the only Orlesian (though she considers herself Fereldan?) in games set in those locations.

 

I really hope that at least 50% of DA4's companions are from Tevinter. I think there's a lot that could be explored in Tevinter culture. And I would love if there were no Fereldan and Marcher companion. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.

[BansheeOwnage]

Ah, the good old "tell, don't show" approach. They might as well just release an guidebook alongside the game saying "Tevinter is like this, the culture is like this, the people are like this, etc..." if they're just going to rely on codex entries again.

And make it a thing in-universe for the PC to read

 

Or allow us to respond to a foreign NPC's questions about Tevinter by reciting codex entries.

That as a concept is actually a clever way to get around making our protagonists dumb. Basically, instead of having a dumb question (say, "Who's Mythal?"), you have the PC explain it themselves. The Dalish (or educated non-Dalish) Quizzy would explain the significance of the temple instead of Morrigan. Another example is Quizzy quickly recounting the legend of Flemeth if you have the History Knowledge perk.

 

Gah, that sort of thing would have been really useful in Mass Effect... Yes, Engineer Adams, I know how our ship's stealth function works. What kind of Captain would I be if I didn't? Anyway... we need more.

 

It's sprinkled in ever so slightly in Bioware games and I've seen it in others (for example in Fallout 3 depending on your Intelligence you could actually understand what NPCs were telling you). They should really implement it again.

[vbibbi]

And make in a thing in-universe for the PC to read

 

That as a concept is actually a clever way to get around making our protagonists dumb. Basically, instead of having a dumb question (say, "Who's Mythal?"), you have the PC explain it themselves. The Dalish (or educated non-Dalish) Quizzy would explain the significance of the temple instead of Morrigan. Another example is Quizzy quickly recounting the legend of Flemeth if you have the History Knowledge perk.

 

Gah, that sort of thing would have been really useful in Mass Effect... Yes, Engineer Adams, I know how our ship's stealth function works. What kind of Captain would I be if I didn't? Anyway... we need more.

 

It's sprinkled in ever so slightly in Bioware games and I've seen it in others (for example in Fallout 3 depending on your Intelligence you could actually understand what NPCs were telling you). They should really implement it again.

I was being facetious, but I agree with your more serious point haha.

 

I also liked the few times in DAI where we received a codex entry after a conversation. It was not the most realistic thing ever, but it was a fun way to receive a codex entry without reading a random scroll left in the Hinterlands. It also can suggest that there is further conversation that happens off screen (because would we really only ask someone five basic questions and then walk away? That's not a RL conversation).

 

I'm specifically thinking of the entry about Fereldan customs after speaking with Cullen in Haven, a few entries about seekers and Nevarra from Cassandra, some about the Qun from IB, and that bugged codex about Kirkwall from Hawke that I only received once or twice.

 

I'm not still mad about that.

[BansheeOwnage]

I think Rainier is from the Free Marches. He mentioned that he entered the tournament there, got the attention of some nobleman who trained him and got him connections to the Orlesian army, then he went to Orlais. Or something along those lines.

 

I do think it's funny that Varric is the only Kirkwall native (though Seb is still from FM) and Leliana is the only Orlesian (though she considers herself Fereldan?) in games set in those locations.

 

I really hope that at least 50% of DA4's companions are from Tevinter. I think there's a lot that could be explored in Tevinter culture. And I would love if there were no Fereldan and Marcher companion. But I'm not holding my breath on that one.

Is he? I guess I assumed he was really from Orlais because he has an Orlesian (French) name... Huh.

 

Yeah, we could probably use a few Tevinter companions with varying views. And a pro-elf (but obviously not pro-Solas [Or maybe could be depending on your choices! {Or originally a spy for Solas who could possibly change sides!}]) companion with the backdrop of what Solas is doing could be good too.

 

But I need a Fereldan companion, because they make the best romance options Fereldan warriors, specifically.

Spoiler

Female Fereldan Warriors?...

Yes please!

*Cough*

[vbibbi]

Is he? I guess I assumed he was really from Orlais because he has an Orlesian (French) name... Huh.

 

Yeah, we could probably use a few Tevinter companions with varying views. And a pro-elf (but obviously not pro-Solas [Or maybe could be depending on your choices! {Or originally a spy for Solas who could possibly change sides!}]) companion with the backdrop of what Solas is doing could be good too.

 

But I need a Fereldan companion, because they make the best romance options Fereldan warriors, specifically.

Spoiler

Female Fereldan Warriors?...

Yes please!

*Cough*

I'm honestly not certain about Rainier. Maybe he is Orlesian but he adopted the FM accent while he was there.

 

It feels like Tevinter is already more fleshed out than most other non-Ferelden countries, so I'm hopeful that there will be a variety of social backgrounds to pull from for companions. There are already several social classes for mages and non mages, terms for special classes like mage killers, dreamers. And the nation is large enough that the east and west have noticeably different customs to them.

 

I wouldn't be upset if there's a Fereldan warrior as a companion. I feel that Fereldans have no strong reason to be in Tevinter in the first place (except for Scout Harding) due to the distance and Ferelden being fairly insular. Rivaini, Antivan, Anders, or Nevarran are all on the borders so would make sense. And I'd like to learn more about all of those nations.

[Nefla]

And make it a thing in-universe for the PC to read

"Your home country: For Dummies!"

[Heimdall]

After some reflection, that sounds like something I'm going to have to do too.

Edit: On second thought, it loses some of the humor potential if the Imperial Andrastian Qunari is a mage. Maybe if the Templar spec is still available I'll do that instead.

I'm dead serious

I want to be an ex-slave who finds his status preferable to what he would have had under the Qun and goes full on Tevinter-nationalist.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I'm honestly not certain about Rainier. Maybe he is Orlesian but he adopted the FM accent while he was there.

 

He is indeed a Marcher - from Markham, originally.

 

I think it's a shame that Leliana was the only Orlesian in our inner circle - and she had a Ferelden mother and says in DAO that she considers herself Ferelden. Not that I'd have wanted to get rid of Alistair Parker or Indira Varma, but maybe it would have been better if either Blackwall or Vivienne or both had been Orlesian.

[BansheeOwnage]

 

It feels like Tevinter is already more fleshed out than most other non-Ferelden countries, so I'm hopeful that there will be a variety of social backgrounds to pull from for companions. There are already several social classes for mages and non mages, terms for special classes like mage killers, dreamers. And the nation is large enough that the east and west have noticeably different customs to them.

 

I wouldn't be upset if there's a Fereldan warrior as a companion. I feel that Fereldans have no strong reason to be in Tevinter in the first place (except for Scout Harding) due to the distance and Ferelden being fairly insular. Rivaini, Antivan, Anders, or Nevarran are all on the borders so would make sense. And I'd like to learn more about all of those nations.

Exactly, there are quite a few interesting Tevinter angles we could explore (more). It would be a banter-making-machine!

 

Don't worry, I was mostly joking about the Fereldan warrior. It's not that I need one per se, it's just that I've liked the ones we've had so far (in fact, they're the only ones I like) and would like to have a female romance option like Alistair or Cullen. They don't actually have to be Fereldan, any country would do

 

He is indeed a Marcher - from Markham, originally.

 

I think it's a shame that Leliana was the only Orlesian in our inner circle - and she had a Ferelden mother and says in DAO that she considers herself Ferelden. Not that I'd have wanted to get rid of Alistair Parker or Indira Varma, but maybe it would have been better if either Blackwall or Vivienne or both had been Orlesian.

Vivienne is, for all intents and purposes, Orlesian. Is it just the accent you want?

[vertigomez]

I'm dead serious
I want to be an ex-slave who finds his status preferable to what he would have had under the Qun and goes full on Tevinter-nationalist.

I'd love a companion like this. Aggressively rebellious Tal-Vashoth lady pls?