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[German Soldier]

My joking aside, Bioware clearly distinguishes between retiring a character, and their role in the story, and disqualifying the character from being a "main" character. DA:I strips the Inquisitor of two things: (i) the Anchor, and the superlative power over nature; and (ii) the Inquisition (whether it disbands or becomes an arm of the Chantry, the Inquisitor is no longer the dominant force controlling it). 

The inquisition can be controlled by the chantry(specifically the Divine).

I heard that Cassandra won't remain in romance with the Inquisitor if made Divine while Leliana will remain at the warden side and since she is a very malleable woman this mean that the warden could influence the Inquisition to some degree.

[Reighto]

The picture was uploaded by a Twitter user cypheroftir.

 

Tell me what you think. Personally, I am rather shocked. The ending from my perspective indicated that Inquisitor would be the protagonist (either solo or dual). Also... Why dwarves are not mentioned? Will DA5 focus on them?

 

Tell me what you think.

Somehow i'm not able to open the picture. Is there a link maybe?

 

Edit: Nevermind i got the link through the HTML code.

[vertigomez]

I... don't know where you got the idea that DA4 won't reveal much about dwarves, but eh. I predict as many pls let me has Inquisitor threads as there were Hawke and Warden threads. I don't begrudge anybody their disappointment, but I'm not miffed.

Anyway, I think we have a looooooooong way to go before we hear anything even remotely substantial about the next game. Like, at least until Andromeda and the new IP get their share of the spotlight.

[vbibbi]

I'm definitely not shocked, as the contentious discussions on the forums have proved, people here have been split between the thought that Trespasser ended the Inquisitor's PC status or guaranteed they would be DA4's PC.

 

Although I am a little worried, PC debate aside, that the series is going to focus more and more on high fantasy elements and bringing back the ancient world order.

[greenbrownblue]

"Conclusively tie off this protagonist"....uh....I'd say that was an epic fail. Of the endings of the three DA games, none suggested more strongly that its protagonist would play a part in the next game than DAI's.

 

Oh I don't think they'll bring the Inquisitor back as the protagonist, and I'm very much ok with that because I wouldn't want them back, but that doesn't change that Trespasser suggests they might, and even that it might be appropriate.

Glad to see someone who wants a new protagonist but actually sees that the Trespasser DLC suggested that Inquis would be DA4's protagonist. 

[greenbrownblue]

I... don't know where you got the idea that DA4 won't reveal much about dwarves, but eh. I predict as many pls let me has Inquisitor threads as there were Hawke and Warden threads. I don't begrudge anybody their disappointment, but I'm not miffed.

Anyway, I think we have a looooooooong way to go before we hear anything even remotely substantial about the next game. Like, at least until Andromeda and the new IP get their share of the spotlight.

It is clearly stated that the next game will focus on Eluvians, Qunari and Ancient Elves. Therefore, it does not seem like there will be much space to reveal what's truly going on with dwarves. Seems like it will be saved for DA V or for another DLC. The Descent certainly left many unanswered questions.

[JWvonGoethe]

It is clearly stated that the next game will focus on Eluvians, Qunari and Ancient Elves. Therefore, it does not seem like there will be much space to reveal what's truly going on with dwarves. Seems like it will be saved for DA V or for another DLC. The Descent certainly left many unanswered questions.

Imagine for a second that dwarven lore/titans are indeed a major part of DA4's story. In that case, if the slide had read "Qunari, Eluvians, Ancient Elves and dwarves" then people would have been extremely confused. People would have been laughing about how if it was one of Trespasser's goals to set up dwarves as a major part of the story then they certainly failed on that front, since Trespasser had nothing to do with dwarves.

If there had been a slide for The Descent's goals then it might have said "Set up dwarves as a major part of the series' future". Despite the fact that we now know elves and Qunari are going to be part of DA's future, The Descent's slides wouldn't have said anything about Qunari or elves since neither of things have anything to do with The Descent.

As it is, dwarves/titans are neither confirmed nor denied as being part of DA4's story. There's no need to get too pessimistic if you are a fan of dwarven lore.

[robertthebard]

I don't think that's the general idea for DA4. As far as we know, we don't know exactly what will be involved aside from Solas, ancient elves, Qunari, and Tevinter. Also, there is a chance that some new ideas (i.e. dwarves) will be added in the base game, DLC, or future installments.

Why does DA 4 have to have anything to do with Solas other than maybe figuring out where he might be? I would prefer that DA 4, if there is one, be more about building a powerbase capable of taking on a guy that can turn you to stone with a thought, instead of the atypical "well, that doesn't work on the PC, and everyone lives happily ever after" thing. As far as I'm concerned, they could run two games of buildup spanning decades, before we get to the "final confrontation", with bonus points if we lose.

[Smudjygirl]

Why does DA 4 have to have anything to do with Solas other than maybe figuring out where he might be? I would prefer that DA 4, if there is one, be more about building a powerbase capable of taking on a guy that can turn you to stone with a thought, instead of the atypical "well, that doesn't work on the PC, and everyone lives happily ever after" thing. As far as I'm concerned, they could run two games of buildup spanning decades, before we get to the "final confrontation", with bonus points if we lose.

 

It's been said before, but Weekes once said that Solas' story would conclude in the next game "if there is one". That's why people think Solas' story will be in DA4, and it will be more than a brief mention

[JadeDragon]

It's been said before, but Weekes once said that Solas' story would conclude in the next game "if there is one". That's why people think Solas' story will be in DA4, and it will be more than a brief mention

While I do see Solas story ending in DA4 I dont think it would be the starting focus of the game. DA4 is going to be in northern thedas a new setting with a vastly different culture and its own issues such as reform of Tevinter and Qunari Wars that all needs to get established and fleshed out before we get into Solas story. The Qunari Story alone I can see taking up a good bulk of DA4 which is better for a new hero to handle. The Inquisitor wants Solas thats it so them going all the way up there to be involved in other conflicts doesnt make sense. Have a new hero hopefully native to the land establish the lore and setting for the players, then in the final act of DA4 Tevinter is possibly in a weakened state perfect time for a trickster like Solas to start the Elf uprising. Of course throughout the game there will be hints of it but it should only come after the other events not to overshadow each other. Similar how The Elder One conflict basically overshadowed the Mage-Templar War and War of Lions. We dont need that to happen again, it also makes sense to appear at the end so the Inquisitor's cameo comes off bigger then Hawkes did by popping up in the middle of the game and having to get cut up so soon because we cant have two heroes from mid game to the end. But by having the Inquisitor be brought in by Dorian at the final Act they can ride the wave and help us stop Solas. As a temporary companion for the final mission, that way they can be controlled and I feel dialogue should also be controlled by the player due to lack of personality type.

[Nefla]

Goood!!! I can finally breath and shake the fear of having to choose from not buying the next game or get forced to play with such a boring and bland PC.

You realize if they can't write the inquisitor as an interesing PC then they won't be able to write the next one as interesting either right? The inquisitor isn't a real person, all their traits are because BioWare wrote them that way and thought they did an interesting job. The next PC will be just as bland.

 

They did the same thing with Hawke, with the cliffhanger trope and all.

Yeah, I was hoping they wouldn't do another epic fail like the mage-templar war but I was clearly wrong.

 

I'm officially out of Bioware games if this is the case. Which is a shame, as Dragon Age was rather special to me for a number of reasons.

Same here. Them thinking that setting up a new conflict, a personal rivalry, giving the inquisitor a reason for revenge (the arm) and making them vow to stop and then work towards stopping Solas=closure and no reason for the inquisitor to continue just confirms to me that they really aren't the good storytellers I want them to be. Trespasser and Patrick Weekes taking over gave me hope that things would turn around but I see now that was unfounded. They want their cake and want to eat it too. They want their unbreakable "rule" of a new protagonist for each game but they don't want to come up with a new plotline or new characters (or even new cultures and much new lore).

[Smudjygirl]

While I do see Solas story ending in DA4 I dont think it would be the starting focus of the game. DA4 is going to be in northern thedas a new setting with a vastly different culture and its own issues such as reform of Tevinter and Qunari Wars that all needs to get established and fleshed out before we get into Solas story. The Qunari Story alone I can see taking up a good bulk of DA4 which is better for a new hero to handle. The Inquisitor wants Solas thats it so them going all the way up there to be involved in other conflicts doesnt make sense. Have a new hero hopefully native to the land establish the lore and setting for the players, then in the final act of DA4 Tevinter is possibly in a weakened state perfect time for a trickster like Solas to start the Elf uprising. Of course throughout the game there will be hints of it but it should only come after the other events not to overshadow each other. Similar how The Elder One conflict basically overshadowed the Mage-Templar War and War of Lions. We dont need that to happen again, it also makes sense to appear at the end so the Inquisitor's cameo comes off bigger then Hawkes did by popping up in the middle of the game and having to get cut up so soon because we cant have two heroes from mid game to the end. But by having the Inquisitor be brought in by Dorian at the final Act they can ride the wave and help us stop Solas. As a temporary companion for the final mission, that way they can be controlled and I feel dialogue should also be controlled by the player due to lack of personality type.

 

I know it's pessemistic of me, but that kind of sounds like either the Qunari threat will be reduced, or the Solas threat will be reduced.

 

But also, if Solas pulls a coup at the end of the game,why should we care? Unless his threat is mixed in with the Qunari, it will be like some nobody appeared out of nowhere. Since the "new PC" seems to "benefit" new players, why should they care who he is.

 

I wish i knew what they were thinking haha

[Ieldra]

You realize if they can't write the inquisitor as an interesing PC then they won't be able to write the next one as interesting either right? The inquisitor isn't a real person, all their traits are because BioWare wrote them that way and thought they did an interesting job. The next PC will be just as bland.

The Inquisitor isn't bland. They're just not as excessively - and often contrivedly - dramatic as most of Bioware's other protagonists. I can actually say something reasonable in a reasonable tone to someone, most of the time. I like that and don't want it to change. 

 

Also, as I said: you can infuse a more neutral line with emotion, since emotion is invisible. But you can't take emotion out of a forcibly dramatic line. The Inquisitor was better for roleplaying than all other voiced protagonists Bioware has made.

[Heimdall]

I expect DA4's story to heavily involve qunari and their link to dragons (Plus the Old Gods) to be the focus of DA4, with Solas and the Ancient Elves being weaved in there, probably trying to use something related to the old gods to tear down the Veil.

In my ideal scenario, we'd see the new PC primarily dealing with the dragon related aspect of the plot (80% of playable game time), and the Inquisitor pursuing leads on Solas (20% of playable game time) eventually converging in the third act leading to a final conversation between the Inquisitor and Solas while the new PC does the relevant ass kicking.

I just hope qunari return as a race option.

[Nefla]

The Inquisitor isn't bland. They're just not as excessively - and often contrivedly - dramatic as most of Bioware's other protagonists. I can actually say something reasonable in a reasonable tone to someone, most of the time. I like that and don't want it to change. 

 

Also, as I said: you can infuse a more neutral line with emotion, since emotion is invisible. But you can't take emotion out of a forcibly dramatic line. The Inquisitor was better for roleplaying than all other voiced protagonists Bioware has made.

I think Hawke was too dramatic in almost every situation but the inquisitor was not dramatic enough in situations that called for it. Plus they can't be evil, ruthless, fanatical, etc...in any case the people who thought the inquisitor was too bland will be surprised when the hero of DA4 is exactly the same.

[JadeDragon]

I know it's pessemistic of me, but that kind of sounds like either the Qunari threat will be reduced, or the Solas threat will be reduced.

 

But also, if Solas pulls a coup at the end of the game,why should we care? Unless his threat is mixed in with the Qunari, it will be like some nobody appeared out of nowhere. Since the "new PC" seems to "benefit" new players, why should they care who he is.

 

I wish i knew what they were thinking haha

To be honest the Qunari threat has been teased since DA:O so that story needs to play out to its full potential. We got a sample of it in DA2 Act 2 we dont need another small scale version of it. And why should a new player care? Well if the Inquisitor recruits the players help because they showed they can stop a full scale Qunari Invasiion and telling them well this guy Solas everything you did will be for nothing because he is going to kill almost everybody. And similar to DA2 were certain plot points still happened during other Acts. Act 1 had Qunari events then concluded Act 2 while Act 1 and 2 had mage-templar conflict then concluded Act 3. Solas agents activity should be present throughout the game not completely ignored. His presences should be felt but not seen until the final Act.

I expect DA4's story to heavily involve qunari and their link to dragons (Plus the Old Gods) to be the focus of DA4, with Solas and the Ancient Elves being weaved in there, probably trying to use something related to the old gods to tear down the Veil.

In my ideal scenario, we'd see the new PC primarily dealing with the dragon related aspect of the plot (80% of playable game time), and the Inquisitor pursuing leads on Solas (20% of playable game time) eventually converging in the third act leading to a final conversation between the Inquisitor and Solas while the new PC does the relevant ass kicking.

I just hope qunari return as a race option.

With all the hints towards the Qunari origins and Old Gods those things can easily tie into Solas plot for the last 20% so it doesnt feel like a out of nowhere moment. The benefit of having Solas appear at the end is unlike Cory who showed up early and his plans all went downhill after that. Solas stays in the back and comes at the end because his plans have been a success up to that point to where he doesnt come off as a failed villain but a villain who was inches away.

[Milana]

No surprises here, DA team likes to pat themselves on the back for something they didnt really accomplish. Look at Warden, Hawke and Inquisitor's stories.

[vertigomez]

I expect DA4's story to heavily involve qunari and their link to dragons (Plus the Old Gods) to be the focus of DA4, with Solas and the Ancient Elves being weaved in there, probably trying to use something related to the old gods to tear down the Veil.

In my ideal scenario, we'd see the new PC primarily dealing with the dragon related aspect of the plot (80% of playable game time), and the Inquisitor pursuing leads on Solas (20% of playable game time) eventually converging in the third act leading to a final conversation between the Inquisitor and Solas while the new PC does the relevant ass kicking.

I just hope qunari return as a race option.

[Milan92]

I expect DA4's story to heavily involve qunari and their link to dragons (Plus the Old Gods) to be the focus of DA4, with Solas and the Ancient Elves being weaved in there, probably trying to use something related to the old gods to tear down the Veil.

In my ideal scenario, we'd see the new PC primarily dealing with the dragon related aspect of the plot (80% of playable game time), and the Inquisitor pursuing leads on Solas (20% of playable game time) eventually converging in the third act leading to a final conversation between the Inquisitor and Solas while the new PC does the relevant ass kicking.

I just hope qunari return as a race option.

 

I agree. The game is most likely gonna play in Tevinter, so I'm expecting quite alot of qunari stuff. There is also that political factions thing going on there, but I expect that to get resolved like the mage/templar war. Or maybe through a novel.

[vbibbi]

I think Hawke was too dramatic in almost every situation but the inquisitor was not dramatic enough in situations that called for it. Plus they can't be evil, ruthless, fanatical, etc...in any case the people who thought the inquisitor was too bland will be surprised when the hero of DA4 is exactly the same.

Yeah, for me, dialogue and intonation aside, what made the Inquisitor less engaging for me was the fact that the majority of our actions didn't have real choice. Even if previous games didn't provide many choices, just the illusion of choice, I think they better hid our lack of agency. As has been pointed out, sidequests were just various ways to accept the quest, and then usually the Inquisitor had no reaction upon completion of the quest. So replaying those quests with a different Inquisitor doesn't provide much variation.

 

This doesn't apply to every quest, I know, judgements and companion quests did have more variety in this respect. But many of the quests didn't bother hiding our lack of choices.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, for me, dialogue and intonation aside, what made the Inquisitor less engaging for me was the fact that the majority of our actions didn't have real choice. Even if previous games didn't provide many choices, just the illusion of choice, I think they better hid our lack of agency. As has been pointed out, sidequests were just various ways to accept the quest, and then usually the Inquisitor had no reaction upon completion of the quest. So replaying those quests with a different Inquisitor doesn't provide much variation.

Though of course, there is variation in not accepting the quest at all.

[robertthebard]

No surprises here, DA team likes to pat themselves on the back for something they didnt really accomplish. Look at Warden, Hawke and Inquisitor's stories.

What's wrong with the Warden's story? I got a really lovely funeral at the end of Origins, and was recognized for my efforts. The only people with a problem are the ones that can't let it go. Frankly, there should have been no "easy out" for the HoF. There should have only been one possible outcome: A funeral at the end of the game. This would have been the easiest solution for a lot of problems later on. As we can see from this thread, and the literally hundreds, if not thousands of "bring back the Warden" threads since Origins.

[Kakistos_]

Hmm the OP is kicking up a lot of drama over a single picture. A picture focused on Trespasser NOT DA4. As far as we know DA4 hasn't even been green-lit yet so we can all calm down. Anyway, nothing unexpected or really new here but I agree with @Ieldra, the Inquisitor was in no way "conclusively" tied off. As for Dwarves, the pic states the goals of Trespasser not DA4.

 

As far as the point "set up the future of the franchise" goes I'm sure the Qunari, Ancient Elves and Eluvians will be in some part a focus but I seriously doubt they meant this as a way to say "at the exclusion of all else". Again, DA4 hasn't even been green-lit yet, we have no idea what form the game or story will take. Should the writers remain consistent I have no doubt that Dwarves as a group will play a larger role in DA4 than they have in DAII and DA:I given their unique status in (presumably) Tevinter and a unique relationship with the Wardens in (presumably) The Anderfels.

[Sah291]

I don't think they suceeded in the first bullet then, they closed out the story of the Inquisition, but the Inquisitor is kinda left hanging, making you wonder what happens next.

I guess it's still possible either plans changed, or they left it open enough for a potential cameo, though.

As much as I prefer to continue the protagonist we already have, I'm not surprised they most likely won't.

Dwarves have never really been the focus of the series so far. Doesn't mean there will be nothing involving them, but it won't be a main plot thread most likely.

[Smudjygirl]

To be honest the Qunari threat has been teased since DA:O so that story needs to play out to its full potential. We got a sample of it in DA2 Act 2 we dont need another small scale version of it. And why should a new player care? Well if the Inquisitor recruits the players help because they showed they can stop a full scale Qunari Invasiion and telling them well this guy Solas everything you did will be for nothing because he is going to kill almost everybody. And similar to DA2 were certain plot points still happened during other Acts. Act 1 had Qunari events then concluded Act 2 while Act 1 and 2 had mage-templar conflict then concluded Act 3. Solas agents activity should be present throughout the game not completely ignored. His presences should be felt but not seen until the final Act.

 

I would rather the ancient elves and Qunari have separatetimes to shine. Because i've been interested in the Qunari since day 1, and i don't think they need to be topped by psycho elf. They're a force to be reckoned with without him.

 

At least Hawke got to deal with it.

 

And again. Most don't want to be a puppet if the Inquisition again.