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[Blood Mage Reaver]

I would rather the ancient elves and Qunari have separatetimes to shine. Because i've been interested in the Qunari since day 1, and i don't think they need to be topped by psycho elf. They're a force to be reckoned with without him.

 

At least Hawke got to deal with it.

 

And again. Most don't want to be a puppet if the Inquisition again.

If DAI is any indication, the Qunari-Tevinter conflict will be dealth in the same fashion as the Mage-Templar one, you will spent half of the game working to promote one of the sides only for the big ancient villain to step in and throw your efforts down the drain.

 

Regarless, the Qunari lack the magical knowledge and power to go against Solas, the only faction on Thedas who can match his ability to manipulate the Fade are the combined mages of Tevinter.

[Smudjygirl]

If DAI is any indication, the Qunari-Tevinter conflict will be dealth in the same fashion as the Mage-Templar one, you will spent half of the game working to promote one of the sides only for the big ancient villain to step in and throw your efforts down the drain.

 

Regarless, the Qunari lack the magical knowledge and power to go against Solas, the only faction on Thedas who can match his ability to manipulate the Fade are the combined mages of Tevinter.

 

That is probably more of an apt comparison than you probably intended. But there is so much more to the Qunari, half a game won't let us see nearly as much as most would like. They may very well be reduced to the patheticness of the mages and templars, which i would hate to see. And i will cringe if Solas ends up anything like Cory. Just some nobody who popped up to say "muhahaha"

 

Tevinter, i agree with. They probably know most about the ancient elves than anyone.

 

I think they are trying to overlap themes to much, and now the story is so convoluted it's suffering.

[Heimdall]

Bioware has always acted like they have no idea what to do with the Mage-Templar plot line. I'm hoping they've learned from the reception of how they handled it in DAI.

I actually hope the war isn't resolved in DA4, but rather the invasion becomes a consistent backdrop much like the Nilfgaardian invasion in TW3. Our in game involvement will at most affect a specific region or front of the war, but determine no definitive outcome to it.

[Blood Mage Reaver]

Bioware has always acted like they have no idea what to do with the Mage-Templar plot line. I'm hoping they've learned from the reception of how they handled it in DAI.

I actually hope the war isn't resolved in DA4, but rather the invasion becomes a consistent backdrop much like the Nilfgaardian invasion in TW3. Our in game involvement will at most affect a specific region or front of the war, but determine no definitive outcome to it.

Chances are high that the only battle we will actually decide is the fate of Seheron, BioWare usually let our choices change the setting on the micro-scale but keep the status quo of major factions roughly the same until the last game of a series comes out.

 

The most blatant examples are how all solutions of the Mage-Templar conflict always ends up with the Circle of Magi restored while the College of Enchanters form a split faction to compete with them and your choices only decide which faction is the most powerful of the two.

 

Case in point, next game the Qunari invasion will ultimately fail because of Solas but the player will decide wheter they keep Seheron, Tevinter reclaims it or the Fog Warriors lead the island into independence.

[Iakus]

Dunno about anyone else, but my Inquisitors' stories are done.  They saved the world.  Now let someone else handle the next crisis.

 

Sure they might have an effect on the next story.  But it won't be their story.  It'll be someone else's.  Let them be the tip of the spear.

[Eromenos]

I'm relieved by this knowledge. DAI and its cast of characters mostly dragged ass outside of its main storyline and Trespasser. I will always feel DAI as a whole was a testament to the concept of unfinished business in a negative way owing to all its half-baked yet still overblown concepts throughout. I'm happier knowing DAI will just become backstory instead of ill-advised textual continuation as this IP moves on. In other words, DAI was unsalvageable. Let it die, so that a better user experience gets to have an unimpeded go.

[vertigomez]

Bioware has always acted like they have no idea what to do with the Mage-Templar plot line. I'm hoping they've learned from the reception of how they handled it in DAI.
I actually hope the war isn't resolved in DA4, but rather the invasion becomes a consistent backdrop much like the Nilfgaardian invasion in TW3. Our in game involvement will at most affect a specific region or front of the war, but determine no definitive outcome to it.

Chances are high that the only battle we will actually decide is the fate of Seheron, BioWare usually let our choices change the setting on the micro-scale but keep the status quo of major factions roughly the same until the last game of a series comes out.
 
The most blatant examples are how all solutions of the Mage-Templar conflict always ends up with the Circle of Magi restored while the College of Enchanters form a split faction to compete with them and your choices only decide which faction is the most powerful of the two.
 
Case in point, next game the Qunari invasion will ultimately fail because of Solas but the player will decide wheter they keep Seheron, Tevinter reclaims it or the Fog Warriors lead the island into independence.

I'm good with this. Small scale stories are more interesting for me personally, and they're more manageable as far as the setting goes. Completely abolishing slavery in Tevinter with zero consequences (or consequences that are impossible to implement in future installments)? Probably not happening. Progressive reform with realistic results and hope for the future? Doable. Same with the Qunari situation, the mages, Seheron...

[Phoe77]

I don't necessarily think that all of the plot points that are included in the next game have to also be resolved in that game.  A war with the qunari seems like just the kind of conflict that wouldn't have to be resolved in the same game it started in.  I think it would be neat to see a war that spans multiple games.

[Nefla]

Dunno about anyone else, but my Inquisitors' stories are done.  They saved the world.  Now let someone else handle the next crisis.
 
Sure they might have an effect on the next story.  But it won't be their story.  It'll be someone else's.  Let them be the tip of the spear.

When a former ally and possibly friend manipulates me, betrays me, cuts off my arm, tells me he will destroy the world and that he considers me insignificant and unable to stop him, I know my first reaction is to not care and go lay on the beach somewhere and assume someone else will deal with it.

[thats1evildude]

I'm pretty cool with it. By the end of Trespasser, I was getting to the point of being ready to put my Inquisitor aside.

[The Baconer]

The ending of Trespasser is not ambiguous, it emphatically ended the Inquisitor's chance to be DA4's protagonist.

It's like Fiona and Alistair all over again.

[IllustriousT]

When a former ally and possibly friend manipulates me, betrays me, cuts off my arm, tells me he will destroy the world and that he considers me insignificant and unable to stop him, I know my first reaction is to not care and go lay on the beach somewhere and assume someone else will deal with it.

 

It wouldn't be like that for everyone though. Not everyone who played DA:I was invested in Solas. Some may have never taken him as part of the party or cared about his stories on the fade. Bioware should not presume that everyone cared about Solas by incorporating it into the next as part of the larger picture. 

[Abyss108]

The thing I will never understand is - the Inquisitor's story was over in the base game and no one wanted them back.

 

No one wanted them for DA4, no one wanted them to deal with Solas. We had a perfectly fine conclusion and everyone was ready for a new protagonist in DA4. We never had to see them again.

 

Then, Bioware decided to make Trespasser.

[Abyss108]

It wouldn't be like that for everyone though. Not everyone who played DA:I was invested in Solas. Some may have never taken him as part of the party or cared about his stories on the fade. Bioware should not presume that everyone cared about Solas by incorporating it into the next as part of the larger picture. 

 

Because the normal reaction to someone who you didn't really care about manipulating you, betraying you, cutting off your arm and telling you they are going to murder everyone you care about is to go lay on a beach.

[Phoe77]

No one suggested that the Inquisitor go lay on a beach somewhere.  They even suggested that the Inquisitor could still have an effect on the story without being at the center of that story.  Considering that Solas does know how the Inquisitor and his organization operates, it probably makes more sense for the Inquisitor to act indirectly in this situation anyway, regardless of whatever personal feelings they may have on the matter.  There's no reason to equate not being the PC of the next game with not being involved in the next game's crisis in any way.

 

I also guarantee that there were people ready for the Inquisitor to be the protagonist of DA4 because there are always people who want the last hero to come back.  The end of the base game left that option far more open than it is now by leaving him in control of a large, powerful organization that was, at the time, autonomous and without any clear goal.  

[Onewomanarmy]

Bioware has always acted like they have no idea what to do with the Mage-Templar plot line. I'm hoping they've learned from the reception of how they handled it in DAI.

I actually hope the war isn't resolved in DA4, but rather the invasion becomes a consistent backdrop much like the Nilfgaardian invasion in TW3. Our in game involvement will at most affect a specific region or front of the war, but determine no definitive outcome to it.

 

Yes this exactly. I thought that it was very exciting in DA2 the tension between mages and templars and I got disappointed to see how they suddenly ended it in inquisition sorta. I think it adds a dark kind of theme the story, I hope to see it come back as well. 

[AlanC9]

Because the normal reaction to someone who you didn't really care about manipulating you, betraying you, cutting off your arm and telling you they are going to murder everyone you care about is to go lay on a beach.

I'm going to have to take issue with the cutting off the arm part of that. All Solas does there is save the Inquisitor's life. And what Solas manipulates the Inquisitor into doing is saving southern Thedas from the qunari plot. Can't get too mad at him for that.

[Smudjygirl]

It wouldn't be like that for everyone though. Not everyone who played DA:I was invested in Solas. Some may have never taken him as part of the party or cared about his stories on the fade. Bioware should not presume that everyone cared about Solas by incorporating it into the next as part of the larger picture. 

 

They clearly wanted to establish a relationship between them. I say this because an Inquisitor who was disinterested in him automatically takes the position of "rival" in Trespasser

[thats1evildude]

Then, Bioware decided to make Trespasser.

 

Ultimately, we're at mutually exclusive viewpoints, and we could argue all day without achieving anything. You feel like Solas was set up to be a personal rival for the Inquisitor, who has a new mission in life after beating Corypheus.

 

I saw Trespasser as resolving the issue of the Mark — a dangerous elven magic that could be used to enter the Fade — and the final fate of the Inquisition.  While I'm in favour of the Inquisitor helping to oppose Solas, I heard it stated very clearly that the Inquisitor CANNOT be the person to stop Solas. You've lost your magic trump card and your personal army, you're down a limb and Solas can see you coming a mile away.

[IllustriousT]

Because the normal reaction to someone who you didn't really care about manipulating you, betraying you, cutting off your arm and telling you they are going to murder everyone you care about is to go lay on a beach.

 

I don't think the Inquisitor is laying on a beach somewhere, but I guess I was more referring to the betrayal aspect. Not everyone would feel betrayed if you didn't know much at all about Solas. As the Inquisitor, that is an elf and a mage, many people have been wanting to murder me, my clan, and...everyone I care about. Nothing new...really.

[vbibbi]

When a former ally and possibly friend manipulates me, betrays me, cuts off my arm, tells me he will destroy the world and that he considers me insignificant and unable to stop him, I know my first reaction is to not care and go lay on the beach somewhere and assume someone else will deal with it.

Party like it's the end of the world!

 

The ending of Trespasser is not ambiguous, it emphatically ended the Inquisitor's chance to be DA4's protagonist.

It's like Fiona and Alistair all over again.

Or mental gymnastics on how the HOF is going to return.

 

Or how Corypheus didn't body jump at the end of Legacy.

 

Or Flemeth being Dumat/Andraste (after the reveal in DAI).

 

Ultimately, we're at mutually exclusive viewpoints, and we could argue all day without achieving anything. You feel like Solas was set up to be a personal rival for the Inquisitor, who has a new mission in life.

 

I saw Trespasser as resolving the issue of the Mark and establishing the final fate of the Inquisition.  While I'm in favour of the Inquisitor helping to oppose Solas, I heard it stated very clearly that the Inquisitor CANNOT be the person to stop Solas. You've lost your magic trump card and your personal army, you're down a limb and Solas can see you coming a mile away.

Yeah. I understand people who want the Inquisitor back as the PC, but I don't think it will be terrible if the Inquisitor still has a role in DA4, just not as the protagonist. Hopefully Bio learned from the implementation of Hawke in DAI how to provide a little more variety in the depiction of a former PC.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah. I understand people who want the Inquisitor back as the PC, but I don't think it will be terrible if the Inquisitor still has a role in DA4, just not as the protagonist. Hopefully Bio learned from the implementation of Hawke in DAI how to provide a little more variety in the depiction of a former PC.

The fact they couldn't handle a simple character like Hawke right gives me no hope that they can do a more intricate character like the Inquisitor right. Personally, if the Inquisitor isn't going to be the/a playable protagonist I don't want them in the game at all. Have Dorian relay messages from the crystal he gave them and that's it. 

[AresKeith]

Or Flemeth being Dumat/Andraste (after the reveal in DAI).

 

Wait what??

[AresKeith]

Yeah. I understand people who want the Inquisitor back as the PC, but I don't think it will be terrible if the Inquisitor still has a role in DA4, just not as the protagonist. Hopefully Bio learned from the implementation of Hawke in DAI how to provide a little more variety in the depiction of a former PC.

 

Well they could make the Inquisitor playable in parts they appear because I personally doubt they'll meet the new PC in person

 

Though it'll be funny to see how that plays out with the player controlling both

[Iakus]

When a former ally and possibly friend manipulates me, betrays me, cuts off my arm, tells me he will destroy the world and that he considers me insignificant and unable to stop him, I know my first reaction is to not care and go lay on the beach somewhere and assume someone else will deal with it.

Not forever.  Just until some farmboy comes looking for me with a couple of droids.