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[Smudjygirl]

We do know that the next game will resolve Solas' plotline, that the inquisitor will not be the protagonist, and that they have thrown away the interesting dynamic they introduced in Trespasser in order to keep their special rule. (unless we're all somehow completely misinterpreting that slide)

 

Could be. That slide isn't about DA4. It's about Trespasser. We have no elaboration. We won't know anything 100% until they tell us about the next game properly. Until then, best to assume you are right in this idea.

[CronoDragoon]

We do know that the next game will resolve Solas' plotline, that the inquisitor will not be the protagonist, and that they have thrown away the interesting dynamic they introduced in Trespasser in order to keep their special rule. (unless we're all somehow completely misinterpreting that slide)

 

The second part of that is the only part I agree with. Once again there's this curious belief that if the Inquisitor isn't the PC, then they can't have a meaningful role in DA4.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

 To use. It's clear Solas took the mark so the Inquisitor wouldn't die, but there was no reason for BioWare to take the hand beyond sidelining the inquisitor (despite what they later claimed) because obviously someone without a hand is just a cripple and can't be a hero right? Let's make them like some NPC quest giver instead so we can make room for a REAL hero that has two hands.

Look, I get it. You're disappointed and still need to vent, but this claim is complete b*ls*t. You're trying to make this out to be more than it is so you can feel justified in your anger, but now you're just coming off as child having a temper tantrum.

[Abyss108]

Look, I get it. You're disappointed and still need to vent, but this claim is complete b*ls*t. You're trying to make this out to be more than it is so you can feel justified in your anger, but now you're just coming off as child having a temper tantrum.

 

Eh, whilst I don't think this was the case, I can certainly understand why other people would. The only reason I don't think this was the case is because I follow a lot of what Weekes says, and do trust him not to write something like that based off everything I've seen from him. If it was anyone else? It would 100% look like that's what they did.

[Nefla]

Look, I get it. You're disappointed and still need to vent, but this claim is complete b*ls*t. You're trying to make this out to be more than it is so you can feel justified in your anger, but now you're just coming off as child having a temper tantrum.

That's actually a suspicion I had since playing Trespasser I thought either they're going to make this interesting story about someone who was betrayed and lost everything and has to overcome and stop the person who betrayed them, or they cut off the hand as an excuse to get rid of the Inquisitor because they think "of course no one will want to or expect to play a crippled hero." That's how I feel and what I think. Just put me on ignore if you don't like it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Inquisitor's still going to try to stop Solas no matter what. They're just probably not going to be our viewpoint character.

So Bioware will be taking control of them and butchering them to the point I don't recognize 'my' character? Great. 

[vertigomez]

So Bioware will be taking control of them and butchering them to the point I don't recognize my character. Great. 

Should've said primary viewpoint character. For all we know, they'll be playable for certain sequences.

People are freaking out but we know next to nothing about the next game. It's years away.

[Smudjygirl]

People are freaking out but we know next to nothing about the next game. It's years away.

 

It's going to happen until we know what's going on in the next game. It's frustration due to silence. Though i would say prepare when that silence is broken, i imagine it will get much worse.

 

I'm wondering if we will get a leak like we did last time. I'm trying to be as patient  as i can. I can see everyone is getting bored by the circular discussions.

[AresKeith]

I don't think that's necessarily true. We have no indication that he actually stole the Anchor back from us. All we know is his parting words and that he cut our arm off to save us from death. 

 

Did he cut off the arm? I always assumed the Inquisitor themselves took the arm off after seeing how damaged it was

[Abyss108]

Should've said primary viewpoint character. For all we know, they'll be playable for certain sequences.

People are freaking out but we know next to nothing about the next game. It's years away.

 

We don't even know if there will be a DA4 yet, but we do have what they said at GDC - Inquisitor's storyline is over. 

 

If the Inquisitor returns to have any significant input on the plot, playable or not, then their story wasn't remotely over.

 

Now, there could have been a miscommunication or something, but I'm not going assume that based off nothing. It would be easy for them to correct if that was truly the case, but they haven't done.

[AresKeith]

We don't even know if there will be a DA4 yet, but we do have what they said at GDC - Inquisitor's storyline is over. 

 

If the Inquisitor returns to have any significant input on the plot, playable or not, then their story wasn't remotely over.

 

Now, there could have been a miscommunication or something, but I'm not going assume that based off nothing. It would be easy for them to correct if that was truly the case, but they haven't done.

 

Well let's be honest here, even if it's not greenlit yet there's going to be a DA4 lol

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Did he cut off the arm? I always assumed the Inquisitor themselves took the arm off after seeing how damaged it was

I believe Patrick Weekes said it was open to interpretation, so it could have been cut off after returning to the Winter Palace or the damaged part of your arm fizzled away into nothingness after Solas walks off. 

[Abyss108]

Well let's be honest here, even if it's not greenlit yet there's going to be a DA4 lol

 

Probably, though that's irrelevant to me at this point.

[AresKeith]

I believe Patrick Weekes said it was open to interpretation, so it was could have been cut off after returning to the Winter Palace or the damaged part of your arm fizzled away into nothingness after Solas walks off. 

 

Or it blew up

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Or it blew up

Or that, or one of an infinite possibilities. 

[Nefla]

Maybe it's time to send manipulative cupcakes of denial "you DO want to have the inquisitor as the protagonist of DA4 *jedi hand motion* "

[vertigomez]

It's going to happen until we know what's going on in the next game. It's frustration due to silence. Though i would say prepare when that silence is broken, i imagine it will get much worse.
 
I'm wondering if we will get a leak like we did last time. I'm trying to be as patient  as i can. I can see everyone is getting bored by the circular discussions.

Oh, I know. It happens after every game. Still exhausting.

We don't even know if there will be a DA4 yet, but we do have what they said at GDC - Inquisitor's storyline is over. 
 
If the Inquisitor returns to have any significant input on the plot, playable or not, then their story wasn't remotely over.
 
Now, there could have been a miscommunication or something, but I'm not going assume that based off nothing. It would be easy for them to correct if that was truly the case, but they haven't done.

That's still next to nothing, as far as I'm concerned. The character's story as the Inquisitor™ is over because that title doesn't mean much, but they're still alive - there is no option for them to die, like the HoF - and we have no way of knowing at this point what that means. People are just leaping to conclusions and making these grand statements like they've got a spy network set up in Bioware's break room.

[Nefla]

Or it blew up

In any case, whether he cut off the hand himself or it was lost when it dissolved, it's still his fault. None of this would have happened without his stupid orb and his stupid plan that didn't work.

[Abyss108]

Oh, I know. It happens after every game. Still exhausting.


That's still next to nothing, as far as I'm concerned. The character's story as the Inquisitor™ is over because that title doesn't mean much, but they're still alive - there is no option for them to die, like the HoF - and we have no way of knowing at this point what that means. People are just leaping to conclusions and making these grand statements like they've got a spy network set up in Bioware's break room.

 

Could be, but they didn't say the character's story as the Inquisitor was over. They just said their story was over. Anything else is just trying to twist their words into a better hidden meaning.

[BansheeOwnage]

You're looking it at it from the wrong perspective. The Inquisitor's story was very open before Trespasser - there was effectively no limit on what the Inquisitor could want or do at the end of DA:I. You had a superpowered being with an ancient elven reality-bending power, an organization that was said to be one of the most powerful in Thedas and didn't answer to anyone, and a potential threat that the Inquisitor could - or maybe wouldn't - get involved in any number of immeasurable ways.

I see what you mean, but if this is why Bioware did what they did, I disagree with the reasoning 100%. If they have to try this hard to wipe former PCs off the map (almost literally), they're constructing their stories in a convoluted way just so they can have new protagonists in each installment. Why not just continue for another game? Not forever, just another game? What would be so bad about that? If Bioware had never said "new game = new protagonist", would the same number of people complain about this?

 

Note that I'm not really asking you, just asking.

 

I guess I'm not the only one who felt "I lose" after Trespasser. It was even worse for me, for my main Inquisitor had gotten invested in some of the things she lost - her political power and most notably the anchor. Also, you had four opponents in Trespasser, and of those, you lose against three (Solas, Ferelden and Orlais) and win only against one (the qunari).

Plus, you really only win against the Qunari because of Solas. Dragon Age: Inquisition - Get Trolled and Used by Solas    $14.99

 

 

Knowing Solas, he will free all elves in slavery and recruit them for his army, effectively ending most slavery in both Tevinter and Qunari lands.

This actually seems like a likely way to set up reforming Tevinter - having Solas remove most of the slaves and force them to rethink their ways. Not because they are convinced, but because they must.

 

Imagine how amazing it would be to play a character who is all but broken. It would be the perfect reason to play someone who thinks "damn the consequences, i've tried it your way before"

It would be interesting, in general. This is by no means a requirement, but good games sometimes make me feel that rage, the rage my protagonist would feel, and I direct it into the game (usually near the climax, during combat/roleplaying options). It's satisfying when a game makes you care that much and lets you show it.

 

That wasn't written as well as I'd like.

[Super Drone]

 Why not just continue for another game? Not forever, just another game? What would be so bad about that? If Bioware had never said "new game = new protagonist", would the same number of people complain about this?

 

 

 

Some of us would still complain if the Inquisitor came back for DA4. It's not about Bioware's rules. It's about not wanting to wait 2+ years for a game starring an uncompelling character, focusing on a relationship that I don't find interesting. DAI had, for me, the least interesting characters, plot, and relationships (though the game was fun otherwise).  I want as little of it dragged into the next game as possible.

[Inkvisiittori]

I liked the ending of Trespasser because I was happy there was a choice to disband the Inquisition and hunt Solas on my own. The only thing I feel disappointed by is the loss of the Anchor... why? Without the Anchor the Inquisitor is so much less... unique? Powerful? Interesting? I really liked the special skills the Inquisitor had like the Aegis of the Rift and also kind of wish the Anchor had had a bigger role in the story (another thing that made Trespasser awesome). I mean we just used it to close rifts in Inquisition. There was so much hinted potential, but if it's now truly gone... 

 

Anyway, despite losing the Anchor I'm sure Inquisitor is still relevant and will return. Hopefully they will be playable even if not the main character. It will be interesting to see how they handle such a legendary character... "Herald of Andraste" sure to be remembered by the history and also I wonder how their story will end... because obviously it's not over yet. The Inquisitor said that she will personally stop Solas. I'm sure the writers want to do this character and their own words justice. It remains to be seen how but I feel very positive and can't wait to hear news about the next game. 

 

Oh and there are other things that still needs explanation... like the Well of Sorrows. What will happen to Inquisitor who drank from the Well? I hope that won't be "overwritten" like the OGB and the Anchor.

[BansheeOwnage]

Solas did steal it. That's the whole point - Solas needs the Anchor, and he got it back. He didn't transfer it to himself and it's not even clear that's how it's "meant" to work but Solas absolutely took it back. It just so happens he couldn't take it back until it burned through your arm.

Whether or not Solas took the anchor or simply destroyed it, what Nefla said is true: It's completely arbitrary that your hand had to be taken with it. Bioware could have just as easily written Trespasser the exact same way barring your hand being destroyed, and it would have played out the same.

 

Part of me wonders how late they decided to remove the arm. Logically, they probably worked that out before the main game even released, but the fact that it could have played out the same, the fact that no one comments on it including yourself, and the fact that you don't see it get removed point the other way... I'm not saying the definitely decided it late, but it's odd. And disappointing, too. I would have liked to see it done and have been able to comment on it.

Considering we don't even know what the next game will be about, this strikes me as premature.

People keep saying this, but Weekes said the next game will wrap up Solas' story, and that slide describes the eluvian network and ancient elves as being prominent in Dragon Age's immediate future, so...

[BansheeOwnage]

Some of us would still complain if the Inquisitor came back for DA4. It's not about Bioware's rules. It's about not wanting to wait 2+ years for a game starring an uncompelling character, focusing on a relationship that I don't find interesting. DAI had, for me, the least interesting characters, plot, and relationships (though the game was fun otherwise).  I want as little of it dragged into the next game as possible.

That's understandable, you're entitled to your opinion of course. For what it's worth, I wasn't overly impressed by the Inquisitor either, at least compared to Hawke or my Warden (and they were each compelling in different ways). The way I see it though, Bioware is likely to make the next protagonist in the same style as the Inquisitor; if you found them boring, they'll be boring. If you didn't, they won't be.

 

Because of that, I'd rather play a previously-boring character who could at least be developed further than another boring character who won't be developed much *shrug*

[AresKeith]

Whether or not Solas took the anchor or simply destroyed it, what Nefla said is true: It's completely arbitrary that your hand had to be taken with it. Bioware could have just as easily written Trespasser the exact same way barring your hand being destroyed, and it would have played out the same.

 

Part of me wonders how late they decided to remove the arm. Logically, they probably worked that out before the main game even released, but the fact that it could have played out the same, the fact that no one comments on it including yourself, and the fact that you don't see it get removed point the other way... I'm not saying the definitely decided it late, it's just odd. And disappointing, too. I would have liked to see it done and have been able to comment on it.

 

It makes sense that the hand would go, from the moment you first got the Mark it was killing you. Having the mark taken away with no consequences would have in-fact been a cop out