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[Secret Rare]

The calling is a common problem of all blighted creatures minus some exceptions that clearly represent the solution to the problem and those exceptions are the seven magisters.
Their blood most likely possess some kind of immunity against the voices,a joining performed with their blood instead of regular darkspawn blood should solve the issue.

[Aulis Vaara]

We have seen no Magister whose Old God is still alive, so we don't know how immune they really are. There is a distinct possibility that each Magister is only driven by the call of one Old God instead of all of them.

I read somewhere that to imprison a Magister, you need the bones of his Old God, which would lend credence to this idea, but I'm not sure if that is canon or not.

[Secret Rare]

We have seen no Magister whose Old God is still alive, so we don't know how immune they really are. There is a distinct possibility that each Magister is only driven by the call of one Old God instead of all of them.

 

The architect is immune to the calling and he is one of the 7 magisters

[Aulis Vaara]

The architect is immune to the calling and he is one of the 7 magisters

Okay. And now read what I actually said.

[Secret Rare]

Okay. And now read what I actually said.

Yes i did and it doesn't make sense since The architect is the priest of Urthemiel and he was able to approach him without hear his calling

[Dai Grepher]

She's got ya there Aulis.

Anyway, a Joining out of Magister Sidereal blood? What could possibly go wrong?

I don't think it would matter. They are still affected by the taint. They are Darkspawn. They don't die from the taint because they are Darkspawn.

The Architect and Corypheus were likely freed from the song by unnatural means. Or maybe they have never heard the Calling and just sought the old gods out of revenge.

I think the cure for the taint will be found by the Hero.

[robertthebard]

She's got ya there Aulis.

Anyway, a Joining out of Magister Sidereal blood? What could possibly go wrong?

I don't think it would matter. They are still affected by the taint. They are Darkspawn. They don't die from the taint because they are Darkspawn.

The Architect and Corypheus were likely freed from the song by unnatural means. Or maybe they have never heard the Calling and just sought the old gods out of revenge.

I think the cure for the taint will be found by the Hero.

Actually, no. Because he did hear the song, and that's what made him try his experiment? Isn't that how he found the OG and accidentally started the 5th Blight?

[IllustriousT]

Maybe the magisters are asymptomatic carriers of the blight and is therefore effected differently than normal darkspawn. The archdemon act as a confluence of the symptoms, while the magisters continue to be unaffected by the calling. Magisters seem to still be sentient, whereas the darkspawn are not. Magisters still have their soul - and are not empty vessels - blighted souls. Maybe if you carry a life force, a connection to the fade, then you are not affected by the calling, but that doesn't explain Grey Wardens.

 

Just thoughts and speculations. 

[Dai Grepher]

Actually, no. Because he did hear the song, and that's what made him try his experiment? Isn't that how he found the OG and accidentally started the 5th Blight?

Not necessarily. He only remembers being born as he was. He doesn't remember ever being connected to the song. He remembers always being different from the other Darkspawn.

As for finding Urthemiel, he could have learned that from the Grey Wardens in The Calling. Or he could have obtained the information from any random Darkspawn nearby.

[Marika Haliwell]

*smiles gleefully I knew I made a good decision to let the Architect live. 

* runs to ask the old magister to be a blood donor for the good cause

[RoseLawliet]

As for finding Urthemiel, he could have learned that from the Grey Wardens in The Calling. Or he could have obtained the information from any random Darkspawn nearby.

 

I thought that's specifically why he captured Bregan.

 

However, the Architect also lies, and is supposed to be a normal-looking emissary in The Calling. So until something else includes the Architect in it, I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from his portrayal in either the novel or the game.

[Secret Rare]

Actually, no. Because he did hear the song, and that's what made him try his experiment? Isn't that how he found the OG and accidentally started the 5th Blight?

No he didn't he obtained those info from Bregan.

The Architect and Corypheus despite being blighted creatures are totally immune to the calling.

The Architect also is hinted to being the reason as for why Fiona was cured.

 

Anyway, a Joining out of Magister Sidereal blood? What could possibly go wrong?

I don't think it would matter. They are still affected by the taint. They are Darkspawn. They don't die from the taint because they are Darkspawn.

The Architect and Corypheus were likely freed from the song by unnatural means. Or maybe they have never heard the Calling and just sought the old gods out of revenge.

I think the cure for the taint will be found by the Hero.

I don't think that a GW near to the calling have something to lose by make a try.

Being tainted without the calling  isn't a problem.

The warden is following senseless clues into nameless lands(it was done for story sake) when we all know that the magisters are immune to the old gods and that  the only  Warden that was cured was cured because of one of those Magisters.

[Aulis Vaara]

The Architect and Corypheus despite being blighted creatures are totally immune to the calling.
The Architect also is hinted to being the reason as for why Fiona was cured.

But we don't actually *KNOW* that. Where did the Architect get his knowledge to cure Fiona? And how can we be sure he wasn't driven to wake Urthemiel? Because that is exactly what he did. Dumat has been dead for a thousand years, so Corypheus wouldn't be able to hear his calling anyway, so the only one we have for hints is the Architect. And he woke up his Old God, whatever justifications he made in his head don't really matter. If he was under the same kind of geas as the Well drinker is, then everything he does is for Urthemiel, one way or another. His purpose corrupted by the blight, sure, but that drive would still be there. The same goes for Corypheus, but with Dumat very dead, there's no-one to work for.

[Caritas_Lavellan]

My best guess on why Fiona was cured is that she was pregnant with and gave birth to Alistair who carries the Theirin immunity arising from Calenhad drinking the blood of the great dragon. Dragons are more resistant to the blight (Frederic of Serault war table operation).

[Secret Rare]

My best guess on why Fiona was cured is that she was pregnant with and gave birth to Alistair who carries the Theirin immunity arising from Calenhad drinking the blood of the great dragon. Dragons are more resistant to the blight (Frederic of Serault war table operation).

It's not true,Great dragons are not immune to the taint just as  Alistair is not immune to the joining or the calling..

[Caritas_Lavellan]

It's not true,Great dragons are not immune to the taint just as  Alistair is not immune to the joining or the calling..

Perhaps "Theirin immunity" is the wrong phrase. Resistance and immunity are different. But there must be a reason why the dark ritual requires a pregnancy in its early stages.

The dragon resistance information is at http://dragonage.wik...e_about_Dragons

[Secret Rare]

Perhaps "Theirin immunity" is the wrong phrase. Resistance and immunity are different. But there must be a reason why the dark ritual requires a pregnancy in its early stages.

The dragon resistance information is at http://dragonage.wik...e_about_Dragons

These are mostly speculation of nevarra hunters,the dragon resistance alone can't remove the blight since dragon are resistant but not immune like Fiona the Architect and Corypheus.

Tough the Architect was conducting some experiments with dragons for his own reasons,probably to awaken the darkspawns

[robertthebard]

Not necessarily. He only remembers being born as he was. He doesn't remember ever being connected to the song. He remembers always being different from the other Darkspawn.

As for finding Urthemiel, he could have learned that from the Grey Wardens in The Calling. Or he could have obtained the information from any random Darkspawn nearby.

I'm not interested in what he could have done, I'm interested in what he said happened. It seems to me, although it's been a considerable amount of time since I've had that dialog that he followed the song and accidentally tainted the OG, starting the 5th Blight. None of the "well, it could have been xxxx" matters if this is what's presented in Awakening. All that matters is what the Architect said. I realize that we have to throw the baby out with the bathwater when someone comes up with a theory they like that doesn't conform to what we've been told, but I'd just as soon stick to the lore, until or unless BW changes it, as opposed to what RandomPoster57 thinks it should have or could have been.

If I'm misremembering this conversation, which is likely, I've slept a few hundred times since then, then I'm sticking with what was presented.

[RoseLawliet]

This is what the Architect says before the final battle of Awakening if you agree to hear him out. (Bolded part mine, because I find his contradictions...interesting.) And sorry for the wall of text.

 

Architect: My kind has ever been driven to seek out the Old Gods. This is our nature. When we find one, a Blight is begun. Each time, we attack your surface lands, and you fight back until we are defeated. To break the cycle, my brethren must be freed of their compulsion. For that, I need Grey Warden blood.

PC: You're trying to stop the Blights?

Architect: Hundreds of thousands of my kind are killed before each Blight is ended. It is a plague on our race. We do not begin a Blight because we crave power or destruction. We obey the call of the Old Gods -- without choice.

PC: Why do you need Wardens' blood?

Architect: In order to become what you are, you drink the blood of my kind. To transform. Similarly, we must transform. I have created a version of your Joining that uses the blood of Grey Wardens. You take the taint into yourself. What we take is your resistance. That is how my brethren are freed. In your blood lies the key to their immunity against the call of the Old Gods.

PC: How do the darkspawn change afterwards?

Architect: Once they are freed, the darkspawn think for themselves, they speak, they act. Some, however, have reacted poorly. They are flawed and they rage against me. The Mother gathers them to stop me... as she seeks to stop you. I cannot defeat the Mother alone, and I cannot free the darkspawn unless she is defeated. Our goals are the same. Help me kill the Mother, and after it is done, I will leave to continue my work.

 

This is a conversation you can only get if you side with the Architect.

 

Mother: Ah, but perhaps the Warden would like to hear how it was that the Father began the Blight? You want the source of the archdemon, the one who brought all our kind to the surface? Here he is!

Architect: Ah. There it is, then. Unfortunate. I did find the Old God, Urthemiel. But I did not wish another Blight. I attempted my Joining ritual. My hope was that this would free all darkspawn, unravel the curse from its source. Alas, I was unlucky.

 

 

So I don't know if the Architect is lying when he says it's "his brethren" who must be freed from the call. I don't know if he can even hear it. But one thing is certain, if you accept he's telling the truth: he purposefully sought out Urthemiel and acted on the Old God voluntarily. Of course, this did not go as planned, but honestly! What was he expecting? The Old Gods, as they slumber, are untainted. Tainting them is what transforms them into archdemons. The Architect's Joining still relies on tainted blood. On that note, how would drinking Warden blood give darkspawn anything better than Warden immunity, which lasts a maximum of thirty years?

[Secret Rare]

 

 

 

The Architect's Joining still relies on tainted blood. On that note, how would drinking Warden blood give darkspawn anything better than Warden immunity, which lasts a maximum of thirty years?

We don't know the nature of the Architect joining,he only told one of the ingredient he used which was GW blood,however in his laboratory he was conducting a rearing of dragons,so i presume that he used dragon blood for his ritual.

[ModernAcademic]

The Magisters brought the corruption/taint from the Black City. Maybe they can hear the Calling, but are not placed under a spell like the rest of the darkspawn because of a handful of factors?

First, they wield magic. Emissaries are known to be cleverer than other darkspawn. If they can talk, they can think, which means they are not overwhelmed by the power of the Calling like the rest of their kin.

Second, since the Magisters brought the taint with them, wouldn't it render them immune to it since they are the source for whatever dark magic the taint is made of?

Third, the Calling stems from an unknown source, commonly attributed to the slumbering dragons underground. Now, these dragons contain a piece of soul inside them. So this soul must be the real source of the Calling, not the taint. Otherwise, the darkspawn would try to release the Magisters that were cast out of the Fade instead.

And fourth, the Magisters know magic from the time of Arlathan that they learned from "hushed whispers". Whispers they attibuted as belonging to dragons, which they came to consider Gods. They learned magic that transcends space and time itself. It's no wonder Corypheus was immortal. Who knows what other advanced magic they didn't learn and that could shield them from the involuntary compulsion created by the Calling?


All things considered, my guess as for why the Magisters are "immune" to the Calling is because they can actually hear the piece of soul inside the dragons - no wonder they worshipped the creatures as their gods -, but since they know ancient magic from the time of Arlathan, possess powerful magic and became the source of the taint, somehow they are able to retain full control of their own minds in spite of hearing the Calling.

Or, you know, that line of thinking could be a bunch of hogwash.

And that's as far as I can go without the lore giving us better info to understand this whole taint-darkspawn-Black City crap.

[Dai Grepher]

And how can we be sure he wasn't driven to wake Urthemiel? Because that is exactly what he did.

 

Because if that was his goal he would have simply tainted him with his own blood, or had a Darkspawn follower do it. Instead, the Architect tries to make Urthemiel resistant to the taint.

 

I'm not interested in what he could have done, I'm interested in what he said happened. It seems to me, although it's been a considerable amount of time since I've had that dialog that he followed the song and accidentally tainted the OG, starting the 5th Blight. None of the "well, it could have been xxxx" matters if this is what's presented in Awakening. All that matters is what the Architect said. I realize that we have to throw the baby out with the bathwater when someone comes up with a theory they like that doesn't conform to what we've been told, but I'd just as soon stick to the lore, until or unless BW changes it, as opposed to what RandomPoster57 thinks it should have or could have been.

If I'm misremembering this conversation, which is likely, I've slept a few hundred times since then, then I'm sticking with what was presented.

 

The Architect never said he found Urthemiel through the song though. So the most likely option is that he found out from Bregan or some fellow Darkspawn.

 

It's also possible that the Magisters can hear the old gods, but at some point they got confused. In any case, the Architect seems to have lost his memory before seeking Urthemiel out.

[Aulis Vaara]

Because if that was his goal he would have simply tainted him with his own blood, or had a Darkspawn follower do it. Instead, the Architect tries to make Urthemiel resistant to the taint.

That only works if he knows he is under this compulsion and shares its goals. Oh, and on top of that, he must actually know how to wake the Old God. I don't think he knows any of that, but I think in the back of his mind, he still has this unconscious, driving motivation of "find Urthemiel, protect him." That very drive was corrupted and co-opted by the Taint to make another Archdemon. And of course, to the Architect "protect him" means keep him from starting another Blight, but he simply doesn't know enough of the Taint to make that happen.