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[The Elcor Spectre]

So, the council probably sent people from all species to Andromeda, but what if it was a mistake? What if the Ark entering Andromeda starts a war with its natives, because they're scared of them? I don't expect this transition from the Milky Way to Andromeda to be smooth. Only way I see that happening, is if we we're born in Andromeda years after the Milky Way races we're settled  there. Can I get some opinions because i've been thinking about this for a while now.

[wright1978]

Why would it be a mistake if they are fleeing what is believed to be certain death.

Conflict with native lifeforms seems a certainty if they exist. Depends on the technical level of these species and the attitude of the colonists.

I'd really like us to have choice in how to interact with native species, either by trying to engineer a compromise or cultivating a hostile relationship.

[The Elcor Spectre]

Why would it be a mistake if they are fleeing what is believed to be certain death.

Conflict with native lifeforms seems a certainty if they exist. Depends on the technical level of these species and the attitude of the colonists.

I'd really like us to have choice in how to interact with native species, either by trying to engineer a compromise or cultivating a hostile relationship.

 

I think a choice on how to interact with the natives would be a great idea. I can imagine coming upon a primitive species, and we uplift them, advancing them which could cause consequences. But on the topic of sending away members of the species, they could've used them for the war effort against the Reapers. Soldiers had to be on the Ark because they don't know what to expect in a whole new galaxy.

[holdenagincourt]

My thoughts are that the entire scenario is very ethically uncomfortable and that, given the clumsy way ME3 handled some very complex themes, I prefer to not contemplate the ways in which ME:A will likely gloss over difficult issues in the rush to create a hero narrative. Relatedly, I will probably be spending most of my time in MP and avoiding SP forums post-release at all costs.

[themikefest]

If the natives start attacking, I would be curious to see what defenses the ship/ark/whatever has against them especially if the natives have more powerful weapons.

[Killroy]

But on the topic of sending away members of the species, they could've used them for the war effort against the Reapers. Soldiers had to be on the Ark because they don't know what to expect in a whole new galaxy.

That's silly. No amount of soldiers would make any difference against the Reapers.

[wright1978]

If the natives start attacking, I would be curious to see what defenses the ship/ark/whatever has against them especially if the natives have more powerful weapons.

 

If there are advanced spacefaring races i doubt any defences would be all that relevant. The colonists would be at mercy of those races benevolence.

If they aren't that technically advanced then the issue is the ability of theark to quickly manufacture defensive equipment for land deployment to protect colonists from native retaliation.

[themikefest]

If there are advanced spacefaring races i doubt any defences would be all that relevant. The colonists would be at mercy of those races benevolence.

If they aren't that technically advanced then the issue is the ability of theark to quickly manufacture defensive equipment for land deployment to protect colonists from native retaliation.

I know all that. I just be curious to see what defenses the ship would have

[CronoDragoon]

It's unlikely the Ark would be perceived as a legitimate threat considering the very tiny amount of people on board. I suppose native Andromedans could see them as the scout party for an attack, but once they saw the inside of the ship (and the outside. The Ark wouldn't fit the design for a scout party at all) that would alleviate any doubts. Likely the Milksters will be met with some amount of caution, to be sure.

[Sartoz]

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Read this "leaked" survey Andromeda Plot document.

 

http://www.ign.com/b...laxy.454453720/

 

 

It answers many questions. Though, I expect many changes were made between then and now.

[wright1978]

It's unlikely the Ark would be perceived as a legitimate threat considering the very tiny amount of people on board. I suppose native Andromedans could see them as the scout party for an attack, but once they saw the inside of the ship (and the outside. The Ark wouldn't fit the design for a scout party at all) that would alleviate any doubts. Likely the Milksters will be met with some amount of caution, to be sure.

 

Think that is rather unrealistic. If a spaceship full of aliens came along and claimed mars i doubt the human race would go 'well there's just a ship full of them', they can have that planet. There should definitely be conflict with native species in my eyes.

[Chardonney]

Why would it be a mistake if they are fleeing what is believed to be certain death.

Conflict with native lifeforms seems a certainty if they exist. Depends on the technical level of these species and the attitude of the colonists.

I'd really like us to have choice in how to interact with native species, either by trying to engineer a compromise or cultivating a hostile relationship.

 

Agreed. I see the MEA kind of "Star Trekkian" way. We're going to somewhere where we've never been before and yeah, we'll meet new species, some of them friendly and some of them hostile. Hopefully not everything have to be solved with guns.

[The Elcor Spectre]

That's silly. No amount of soldiers would make any difference against the Reapers.

 

Tell that to the infantry unit whose only mission was to kill Marauder Shields. He almost stopped us! Whew!

[CronoDragoon]

Think that is rather unrealistic. If a spaceship full of aliens came along and claimed mars i doubt the human race would go 'well there's just a ship full of them', they can have that planet. There should definitely be conflict with native species in my eyes.

 

Right, but colonization is a different issue. I took the OP to be asking about the actual entrance to Andromeda and the immediate aftermath of it, not necessarily the colonization efforts afterwards.

[The Elcor Spectre]

Right, but colonization is a different issue. I took the OP to be asking about the actual entrance to Andromeda and the immediate aftermath of it, not necessarily the colonization efforts afterwards.

 

Well, one can assume, as we enter Andromeda, we would search for a place to colonize, wouldn't want to be on a ship forever.

[CronoDragoon]

Well, one can assume, as we enter Andromeda, we would search for a place to colonize, wouldn't want to be on a ship forever.

 

I agree, but to even begin colonization we'll need the approval of whatever Council-type authority Andromeda is going to have (or they'd easily destroy us). So my guess is the timeline will be arrival ---> investigation and we're deemed ok to find uncolonized planets to settle ---> Helius Cluster ---> game start.

[Kabooooom]

If there are advanced spacefaring races i doubt any defences would be all that relevant. The colonists would be at mercy of those races benevolence.
If they aren't that technically advanced then the issue is the ability of theark to quickly manufacture defensive equipment for land deployment to protect colonists from native retaliation.

And there really SHOULD be technologically advanced species, based on Bioware's own lore on the relative abundance of intelligent civilizations in a given galaxy. Seriously, Mass Effects lore is that there are "dozens of Citadel species, and even more Terminus species that dont recognize Council authority". We only see a handful of such species. Javik mentions a handful in his own cycle, and evidence from prior cycles shows there was at least one other cycle in which two coexisted and fought. On average, there are probably a handful of intelligent, spacefaring civilizations that develop in the Milky Way per 50,000 year cycle.

And that number is absurd, probably. And there would be no reason why Andromeda would be different "just cause". That's idiotic. The galaxy is twice as big as the Milky Way. If there was no cycle there and no apex species, they will have to address why there isnt an apex species dominating the galaxy in a believable fashion or I will be annoyed.

Even with sublight velocities (ie: No mass relay network, no FTL) you can mathematically calculate that a species with a given exponential population growth could visit and colonize every star system in a galaxy within several million years. Which is the most astounding mathematical application of the Fermi paradox, to me.

[Iakus]

Well, given that unless the Reapers or some similar force have been keeping the Andomedans down like the Milky has been for the last billion years, it is likely anyone found there would be far, far more advanced than anything that gets sent on the Ark (even without the space magic needed to get there) .

 

If nothing else, they'd be amused at the cute little wind-up toy we made that got us there.

[wright1978]

Well, given that unless the Reapers or some similar force have been keeping the Andomedans down like the Milky has been for the last billion years, it is likely anyone found there would be far, far more advanced than anything that gets sent on the Ark (even without the space magic needed to get there) .

 

If nothing else, they'd be amused at the cute little wind-up toy we made that got us there.

 

That's why i assume some force maybe, the remnant(whoever they are) will likely have played that role of subjugator.

[The Elcor Spectre]

That's why i assume some force maybe, the remnant(whoever they are) will likely have played that role of subjugator.

 

ORRRRRR

 

What if the Remnant we're Trained Elcor Warriors who go into battle with giant cannons on their back and omniclaws?

[Killroy]

Seriously, Mass Effects lore is that there are "dozens of Citadel species, and even more Terminus species that dont recognize Council authority". We only see a handful of such species.

Uhhhh, source?

[CronoDragoon]

That's why i assume some force maybe, the remnant(whoever they are) will likely have played that role of subjugator.

 

Yeah. The leak mentions that unlocking the secrets of Remnant technology would lead to dominance in the region, so I have to assume that whatever the Remnants were, they are responsible, in a good or bad way, for whatever technological state Andromeda is currently in.

[KamuiStorm]

As I stated in another thread, I believe we will be seeing a second first contact war with the andromeda natives. All of them? Probably not but I imagine there will be a species that will royally wreck us for quite sometime until we divise a way to counter them(most likely with a space trap card, perhaps called space Jesus cylinder). I doubt we will have any immediate allies from this first contact skirmish but I do have an itch that leads me to believe one of two scenarios, the first being what I wrote above while the second is the complete opposite.

By that I mean instead of us getting royally wrecked we just show up and the big bullies of the helius cluster are like hell maw and attempts to thrash us. The end result is we completely obliterate them and they ran away to perhaps find another source of strength which might just turn out to be the Awakening of the khet or whatever the other ones are called. By winning that skirmish we end up gaining allies who were opperesed by these former overlords while also gaining enemies. With the first contact skirmish over we are free to search for a home until the big big baddies come to say oh hell maw.

[ZipZap2000]

So, the council probably sent people from all species to Andromeda, but what if it was a mistake? What if the Ark entering Andromeda starts a war with its natives, because they're scared of them? I don't expect this transition from the Milky Way to Andromeda to be smooth. Only way I see that happening, is if we we're born in Andromeda years after the Milky Way races we're settled there. Can I get some opinions because i've been thinking about this for a while now.

1. Playing a game about a smooth transition would suck.

2. The devs are saying we have to secure new worlds and stuff so born there is looking dubious as an option now unless we're evil now and bent on conquest.

3. I don't particularly care how 'we' got there tbh.

[Mistic]

Well, given that unless the Reapers or some similar force have been keeping the Andomedans down like the Milky has been for the last billion years, it is likely anyone found there would be far, far more advanced than anything that gets sent on the Ark (even without the space magic needed to get there) .

 

If nothing else, they'd be amused at the cute little wind-up toy we made that got us there.

 

Well, those leaked ideas about the remnants about a lost civilization point out that some catastrophical change did hapen in Andromeda in the past, so there may be an explanation for that (just don't let it be "Reapers did it" again, or "Elves did it", or "the Sith Emperor did it").