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[Gileadan]

I actually thought the elfy stuff was a nice break from all the boring Andrastian human stuff.

 

 

Yeah, how could they not magically, genetically retain their history after all records were smashed and they were on the receiving end of cultural genocide twice in a row (first from thousands of years of slavery under Tevinter, then after the Dales was sacked and the people either forcibly converted or driven into the wilds by the Exalted March). That should be basic stuff.

Different people like different things in games - I'm glad for everyone who enjoyed the elven lore and story arcs in the games. They just aren't for me.

 

And yes, how couldn't they? When you don't know your history (or any other thing), you generally know that you don't know it. Yet through some odd collective multi-generational keeper brain fart or something, they all seemed very certain of their faulty version of their own history.

 

Don't let me ruffle your feathers though, I'm just the small minority opinion. And I suspect that the real reason isn't that elves are really meant to be that dumb, but because it's BioWare and they make it up as they go.

[Onewomanarmy]

I want my warden to return! I thought that the way they created the whole "wardens are bad" thing was ridiculous. They were something great in origins and then suddenly they're all evil, stupid, naive bastards in Inquisition, it didn't make any sense. 

[Gileadan]

I want my warden to return! I thought that the way they created the whole "wardens are bad" thing was ridiculous. They were something great in origins and then suddenly they're all evil, stupid, naive bastards, it didn't make any sense. 

Whatever faction your character is not associated with has very good chances to turn stupid in a sequel (now that they're unsupervised and all). Just look what two years of downtime did to the Inquisition. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

The Hero attacks, the Egg cracks.

The warden was already defeated like the inquisitor by Bioware first rule:

New game,new protagonist

[Dai Grepher]

No, BioWare's first rule is: Elves always lose.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

No, BioWare's first rule is: Elves always lose.

Elves never lost against humans.

[Hellion Rex]

Elves never lost against humans.

Ummmm, you ever hear of the Exalted March against the Dales? Cause I'm pretty sure the elves lost there.

[Gervaise]

They also lost against Tevinter in Arlathan Forest, even if that wasn't the real city of Arlathan.   I'd really like to know what went on there.   It is certainly the reason that Tevinter claim they defeated the elven empire, even if it was but a shadow of what went before.   I have a feeling that whatever sank the city into the ground, it probably wasn't the magic of Tevinter but something else that was aroused.

 

Would also point out that if anyone got their history wrong it is the Chantry.    Their official version is nothing like what really happened.   So imagine several thousand years down the line, after the commoners of Thedas have been enslaved for centuries and all the scholarly documents have been lost, would their memory of their history be any more accurate than the elves, or would it in fact be rather less?

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Ummmm, you ever hear of the Exalted March against the Dales? Cause I'm pretty sure the elves lost there.

Modern elves are not elves

Elves are the beings that were alive in the pre-veil world with the fade around them(ancient elves+fade)these are true elves

[Dai Grepher]

Elves never lost against humans.

Modern elves are not elves
Elves are the beings that were alive in the pre-veil world with the fade around them(ancient elves+fade)these are true elves

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Hellion Rex]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Dr. rotinaj]

I want my warden to return! I thought that the way they created the whole "wardens are bad" thing was ridiculous. They were something great in origins and then suddenly they're all evil, stupid, naive bastards in Inquisition, it didn't make any sense. 

 

You know that the Wardens were banned from Ferelden for 200 years for trying to rebel against the King? They have never been a completely good organization. In Origins, Alistair and the HoF were exceptional rookies that stopped the Blight but don't let that trick you in to believing that the organization as a whole isn't extremely shady. 

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The Wardens weren't handed the idiot ball in Inquisition, their recklessness and brutality should come as no surprise to anyone.

[Realmzmaster]

I want my warden to return! I thought that the way they created the whole "wardens are bad" thing was ridiculous. They were something great in origins and then suddenly they're all evil, stupid, naive bastards in Inquisition, it didn't make any sense. 

 

Wardens have exceptional skills, but wardens also come from all walks of life. Many of them would have been at the end of a rope or executioner's axe. As far as the wardens being great Sir Jory would like to have a word with you. Oh, he cannot because Duncan killed him even though he had a pregnant wife.

 

Daveth was a thief who was about be hung (for repeat offenses) but Duncan saw potential in him because he was able to cut Duncan's purse and get away until the guards caught him.

 

So no the wardens are not the nice people or organization some like to think. The wardens will do all in their power to stop the Blight (which is their duty) whether the methods are fair or foul.

The wardens are a necessary evil that has been acknowledge in the treaties..

[Donquijote and 59 others]

First it seems that you didn't even bothered to read Elves are Ancient elves with the fade energy and Abelas wasn't in his true form with the veil(like a kryptonian without the sun)i even said the definition of true elves in my first post so read.

Second it was not even a fight just an attack toward a target that did not even wanted to fight from the back so even a cowardly attack.

You are one of those ridiculous player who believe that humans oh oh the HoF... can defeat or be compared to the Evanuris or the Ancient elves in their max power.

[midnight tea]

And yes, how couldn't they? When you don't know your history (or any other thing), you generally know that you don't know it. Yet through some odd collective multi-generational keeper brain fart or something, they all seemed very certain of their faulty version of their own history.

 

It's a thing that happens. Coming from a country that experienced its own share of stomping out culture (going as far as being thrown into jail for speaking local language) I know something about it - generally people who are deprived of identity keep desperately clinging to remains of it, even if they're in denial about its accuracy.

[pepper]

Solas hasn't won, not yet anyways. I say let him . We already know we'll have a new protagonist so your choices mean nothing.

Elves have been the underdogs all three games. Hah let the shems get a dose of it. Let the world burn if that really happens.

Solas doesn't have a very good track record for sucesses. I'm ready for something different anyways.

[Dai Grepher]

First it seems that you didn't even bothered to read Elves are Ancient elves with the fade energy and Abelas wasn't in his true form with the veil(like a kryptonian without the sun)i even said the definition of true elves in my first post so read.

 

Moving the goalposts eh? In the Veil-less world the Hero of Ferelden will be more powerful as well.
 

Second it was not even a fight just an attack toward a target that did not even wanted to fight from the back so even a cowardly attack.

No, Abelas attacked by knocking Morrigan back. It was not effective however, and she returned with a counterattack. Don't make excuses for weak and foolish elvhen who turn their backs to an enemy.
 

You are one of those ridiculous player who believe that humans oh oh the HoF... can defeat or be compared to the Evanuris or the Ancient elves in their max power.

There's no comparison. Solas at his max is nothing compared to the Hero of Ferelden.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Moving the goalposts eh? In the Veil-less world the Hero of Ferelden will be more powerful as well.
 

No, Abelas attacked by knocking Morrigan back. It was not effective however, and she returned with a counterattack. Don't make excuses for weak and foolish elvhen who turn their backs to an enemy.
 

There's no comparison. Solas at his max is nothing compared to the Hero of Ferelden.

-I clearly said what it is the definition of elves this you who didn't bother to read the first post.

Also don't be silly ancient elves are the only one who reach their true form with the fade energies not other races,this is lore.

A human can't gain anything from the sun but a kryptonian can there is a similar parallel between elves and other races.

 

 

-Abelas wasn't in the true elven form and second didn't even fought so you are stretching here,it was not even a fight his purpose was to eliminate the well not to fight someone  ,so again the moment a human would defeat an elf a true elf(in max power) in a fight i will listen.

 

-Solas crushed a commando of Qunari with  a thought,has thousands of years of knowledge,one of his artifact possessed immense power and dealt with god kings and also manipulated relaity with the veil.

The HoF is nothing more but mere appetizer  for a god

[Medhia_Nox]

Solas can't even wake up without causing some imbecilic calamity... the only people who should be worried are his supporters. 

[German Soldier]

Solas can't even wake up without causing some imbecilic calamity... the only people who should be worried are his supporters. 

Whatever calamities he may unleash i don't think he care because the repercussions are paid by non elves.

He told  this to Flemeth and later to the Inquisitor in Trespasser,that he don't feel guilt for what happened to the conclave and he doesn't even care for those dead there,he was sad only because of the Orb.

[Medhia_Nox]

@German Soldier:  Bet he feels bad about the biggest act of idiocy in his career so far called:  The destruction of elven civilization while trying to save it.  

 

He's the living embodiment of the saying:  "Pride goeth before the fall."

[German Soldier]

@German Soldier:  Bet he feels bad about the biggest act of idiocy in his career so far called:  The destruction of elven civilization while trying to save it.  

According to him if he didn't used the veil the others alternative would have been worse.

We can't say anything about this because we don't know what was the situation.

[Medhia_Nox]

@German Soldier:  We do know that Solas lies to you from the minute you meet him in the game.

 

So suddenly thinking:  "Now" he's telling the truth... is not very logical.  

[Dai Grepher]

-I clearly said what it is the definition of elves this you who didn't bother to read the first post.

No, you specified that true elvhen were those who lived before the Veil cut them off. Then after you were proven wrong you added that the true elvhen that was killed needed to be in his pre-Veil form in order for the kill to count. You changed your demand after it was thoroughly met.

Also don't be silly ancient elves are the only one who reach their true form with the fade energies not other races,this is lore.

But the Hero of Ferelden didn't exist back then, did he? So we can't confirm that he wouldn't have reached the same heights or been able to defeat all evanuris. Lucky for them.

A human can't gain anything from the sun but a kryptonian can there is a similar parallel between elves and other races.

Or is there? Perhaps anyone can learn to tap into the Fade energies given enough exposure to it. Same reason why humans are more influential in the real world than spirits. People understand the Real better than spirits. So the reverse is true, except in the case of mages.

Put an advanced Circle mage in the Crossroads or the Fade physically for a while and see how far they go with it. Especially if there are spirits worshiping them and giving +1s to their stats.

Abelas wasn't in the true elven form and second didn't even fought so you are stretching here,

You wrote, "Elves are the beings that were alive in the pre-veil world with the fade around them(ancient elves+fade)these are true elves". Abelas meets your standards. Abelas got MK'd by the human Morrigan.

it was not even a fight his purpose was to eliminate the well not to fight someone

Ah no. His goal was to stop the unworthy from gaining the Well's knowledge. He failed because he didn't dispose of the unworthy before attempting to destroy the Well. Foolish "true" elves.

so again the moment a human would defeat an elf a true elf(in max power) in a fight i will listen.

No, then you will add more stipulations.

-Solas crushed a commando of Qunari with  a thought,has thousands of years of knowledge,one of his artifact possessed immense power and dealt with god kings and also manipulated relaity with the veil.

Wynne can petrify people too. Solas as thousands of years of knowledge and nothing to show for it. The orb had power he couldn't unlock himself. Kind of defeats your argument. Dealt with "gods" by doing something with the Veil. What that was is not yet known.

The HoF is nothing more but mere appetizer  for a god

Defeated Gaxkang the Unbound, when the evanuris could only banish him.

[RoseLawliet]

 

-I clearly said what it is the definition of elves this you who didn't bother to read the first post.

Also don't be silly ancient elves are the only one who reach their true form with the fade energies not other races,this is lore.

A human can't gain anything from the sun but a kryptonian can there is a similar parallel between elves and other races.

 

 

-Abelas wasn't in the true elven form and second didn't even fought so you are stretching here,it was not even a fight his purpose was to eliminate the well not to fight someone  ,so again the moment a human would defeat an elf a true elf(in max power) in a fight i will listen.

 

-Solas crushed a commando of Qunari with  a thought,has thousands of years of knowledge,one of his artifact possessed immense power and dealt with god kings and also manipulated relaity with the veil.

The HoF is nothing more but mere appetizer  for a god

 

 

Try telling the modern elves they're not elves. Particularly the Dalish. They'd proabbly think you called them humans and kill you for insulting them. But hey, no true Scotsman fallacies are easy, aren't they?