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Corypheus had a fake archdemon at his disposal ,why he didn't used the mind controlled GW and the treaties to recruit an army to use against the Inquisition under the false pretences to slay the archdemon while working from behind the scenes?

 

This magister has the potential but clearly lack in creativity :lol:

 


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Because any boss working against the player / main character will become retarded. 


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Two problems with that plan: one, he didn't command any darkspawn. It would be rather hard to convince people there was a Blight with no darkspawn army.

Two, his method of controlling the Wardens involved summoning those demons. So you're saying the Wardens should have used the treaties to muster an army on top of the demonic army he already has.

Corypheus' plan to use the Wardens to summon demons was perfectly sound. Hell, it gave him the big win in the dark future. It only failed because of the efforts of two separate player characters.

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Two problems with that plan: one, he didn't command any darkspawn. It would be rather hard to convince people there was a Blight with no darkspawn army.

Two, his method of controlling the Wardens involved summoning those demons. So you're saying the Wardens should have used the treaties to muster an army on top of the demonic army he already has.

Corypheus' plan to use the Wardens to summon demons was perfectly sound. Hell, it gave him the big win in the dark future. It only failed because of the efforts of two separate player characters.

These two problems aren't' a problem at all.
1)Most people don't know the nature of the archdemons and the blights,look at DAO nobody believed it was a blight even with all those darkspawn around the country,the important thing was to show the fake archdemon from time to time since there was no lack of chaos with the demons.
 
2) A bunch of GW had the power to use the treaties in DAO without no need of authorization from the First warden.
The demons aren't loyal to Corypheus they were just casualties (aside from the nightmare) he could have spread the lie through the wardens that this blight involved demons rather than darkspawn.


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Just like Solas used his agents to make Corypheus "discover" the Orb, perhaps he used them to help sabotage him? Atleast his spies may have given the info to the inquisition?



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I think Corypheus suffered from the same syndrome as Ganondorf in the Zelda series. He starts off a million miles ahead of you, and then when you catch up, he takes a nap or something. The villains just stop doing anything after you catch up to them, it's really weird. 

At least he's not like the Archdemon who completely stops his advance on Ferelden so you can go and spend a year recruiting all the army you need for the war effort. That Orzammar quest should've seriously taken so long in time, there is no way you could do everything in Orzammar without losing to the Archdemon.


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These two problems aren't' a problem at all.
1)Most people don't know the nature of the archdemons and the blights,look at DAO nobody believed it was a blight even with all those darkspawn around the country,the important thing was to show the fake archdemon from time to time since there was no lack of chaos with the demons.

2) A bunch of GW had the power to use the treaties in DAO without no need of authorization from the First warden.
The demons aren't loyal to Corypheus they were just casualties (aside from the nightmare) he could have spread the lie through the wardens that this blight involved demons rather than darkspawn.

Most people know enough to understand that Archdemon + Darkspawn=Blight. The only reason people doubted the Blight in Ferelden was because no Archdemon had shown up.

And the demons were absolutely loyal to Corypheus, because they were led by Nightmare and he was Cory's ally.

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Most people know enough to understand that Archdemon + Darkspawn=Blight. The only reason people doubted the Blight in Ferelden was because no Archdemon had shown up.

And the demons were absolutely loyal to Corypheus, because they were led by Nightmare and he was Cory's ally.

Most people don't even know what an Archdemon is
 
Loyal?
They didn't care about Corypheus at all not even of the nightmare.
Some were produced by the shock of the breach,others wanted just to spread chaos,really demons don't  know the meaning of loyalty


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Corypheus had a fake archdemon at his disposal ,why he didn't used the mind controlled GW and the treaties to recruit an army to use against the Inquisition under the false pretences to slay the archdemon while working from behind the scenes?
 
This magister has the potential but clearly lack in creativity


Same reason he didn't command the Darkspawn; he couldn't control all the Wardens. He could only control those in close proximity to him. He needed the Nightmare to amplify his magic, and even then it didn't reach every Warden.

Any Warden could have confirmed that there was no Blight, since they can hear a true Archdemon in their thoughts. Had the Wardens heard of the "Archdemon" attacking cities, they all would have gone running to slay it, since it would have been 1 of only 2 remaining old gods left. That would mean half their battle would be won.

As for a lack of creativity, why didn't Corypheus simply taint the Herald in Haven?

I think Corypheus suffered from the same syndrome as Ganondorf in the Zelda series.


The Zelda series died with Wind Waker. It wishes it could be as epic as Dragon Age.

He starts off a million miles ahead of you, and then when you catch up, he takes a nap or something. The villains just stop doing anything after you catch up to them, it's really weird.


I think Corypheus just had his priorities mixed up. He was too focused on getting into the Fade so he could get back to the Black City. He also entrusted too many important things to his lackeys. I wonder what Cory was actually doing that whole time, other than uploading his memories to crystals.

At least he's not like the Archdemon who completely stops his advance on Ferelden so you can go and spend a year recruiting all the army you need for the war effort. That Orzammar quest should've seriously taken so long in time, there is no way you could do everything in Orzammar without losing to the Archdemon.


Well, the Archdemon doesn't actually leave the Deep Roads until you go there to find Branka, and I think BioWare meant for Orzammar to be done last.

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Most people don't even know what an Archdemon is

Loyal?
They didn't care about Corypheus at all not even of the nightmare.
Some were produced by the shock of the breach,others wanted just to spread chaos,really demons don't know the meaning of loyalty

They know it's a corrupted dragon, hence the reason why Corypheus' dragon was mistaken for an Archdemon.

The demons summoned for the Wardens' ritual were controlled by blood magic and commanded by Nightmare. That's why defeating Nightmare caused the demons at Adamant to disappear.

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I personally think it's a similar situation as with Voldemort in Harry Potter.

 

The writers have him such nifty powers and allies that if he'd actually used them properly, he would have flattened the Inquisition like a pancake before they had a chance to rise, so the writers basically had to make him too rock stupid to effectively use all the tools and allies at his disposal... which, ironically, made him less threatening than if he'd been weaker or had lamer allies/resources but the smarts to use them effectively.


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I think Corypheus just had his priorities mixed up. He was too focused on getting into the Fade so he could get back to the Black City. He also entrusted too many important things to his lackeys. I wonder what Cory was actually doing that whole time, other than uploading his memories to crystals.
 

 

He was taking a nap, I told you the villains go to sleep when the main character catches up :P.



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Same reason he didn't command the Darkspawn; he couldn't control all the Wardens. He could only control those in close proximity to him. He needed the Nightmare to amplify his magic, and even then it didn't reach every Warden.

Any Warden could have confirmed that there was no Blight, since they can hear a true Archdemon in their thoughts. Had the Wardens heard of the "Archdemon" attacking cities, they all would have gone running to slay it, since it would have been 1 of only 2 remaining old gods left. That would mean half their battle would be won.

As for a lack of creativity, why didn't Corypheus simply taint the Herald in Haven?

 

Completely missed the point,he don't need to control all the GW he only have to spread the lie through a handful of them about the fake archdemon being a true archdemon.
The GW ability to see the original archdemons in their dreams is a non factor for the people because nobody know those things in fact nobody believed Duncan in DAO,GW are nothing wihtout an army to support them and  such army would  have been gained by  Corypheus under the premise of the false archdemon.

 Also how do you know that he can taint people? He is a ghoul not a darkspawn a ghoul who possess a different kind of taint which was gained in the black city

The demons summoned for the Wardens' ritual were controlled by blood magic and commanded by Nightmare. That's why defeating Nightmare caused the demons at Adamant to disappear.

Those demons were a ìminority,most of them were spirits twisted by the brach and demon who didn't cared for Corypheus and the NIghtmare at all,they just wanted to spread chaos and have fun with mortals



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Completely missed the point,he don't need to control all the GW he only have to spread the lie through a handful of them about the fake archdemon being a true archdemon.


Wouldn't work. He can only make them do that if he controls them, and he must be in close proximity to do that. His small group of Wardens could do that, but those outside his reach would be able to debunk the rumor.

The GW ability to see the original archdemons in their dreams is a non factor for the people because nobody know those things in fact nobody believed Duncan in DAO,GW are nothing wihtout an army to support them and  such army would  have been gained by  Corypheus under the premise of the false archdemon.


To do what exactly? Kill his own dragon? Because that would have been the goal of the non-Warden armies.

Also how do you know that he can taint people?


Because he carries the taint. -_-

He is a ghoul not a darkspawn a ghoul who possess a different kind of taint which was gained in the black city


No, he was a Darkspawn. The first among them in fact. He and the other Magisters created the rest of the Darkspawn somehow. Either they were all males and tainted some females to make broodmothers, or one of the Magisters was female and she became a broodmother (i.e. a Darkspawn).
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No, he was a Darkspawn. The first among them in fact. He and the other Magisters created the rest of the Darkspawn somehow. Either they were all males and tainted some females to make broodmothers, or one of the Magisters was female and she became a broodmother (i.e. a Darkspawn).

 

The first broodmother sounds like a pretty cool title. Her design would be pretty epic considering the other Magisters all had unique designs.


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The first broodmother sounds like a pretty cool title. Her design would be pretty epic considering the other Magisters all had unique designs.

 

I agree. I hope this was the case. And if BioWare takes this route, I would recommend they use Razikale's Magister, who is depicted as female on a tablet related to Razikale.

 

Would also make for an interesting boss fight. A sentient, talking, yet insane broodmother with the Tevinter clothing incorporated into her body, and she's a mage? Damn. And the Darkspawn Magisters are larger than they were as humans, and broodmothers are larger by default. So a Magister Sidereal Broodmother would be humongous.


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I agree. I hope this was the case. And if BioWare takes this route, I would recommend they use Razikale's Magister, who is depicted as female on a tablet related to Razikale.

 

Would also make for an interesting boss fight. A sentient, talking, yet insane broodmother with the Tevinter clothing incorporated into her body, and she's a mage? Damn. And the Darkspawn Magisters are larger than they were as humans, and broodmothers are larger by default. So a Magister Sidereal Broodmother would be humongous.

 

It would be nice with the Architect's plan for a peaceful Darkspawn race to live side by side humans comes to fruition though. I wasn't thinking of killing her, I was interested in her story :D



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A fight doesn't always have to end in a death. Personally, I think it would be interesting if the Hero could administer the cure to her after she's been beaten down enough. I wonder if the cure would only make her sane or if it would reverse the transformation process completely.

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I kind of was under the impression that Cory is in denial about the corruption of his body/possibly the world his action brought about. Which is why, as compared to the Architect, he does not do much pertaining to the unique idiosyncrasies of the Blight/Taint. He uses Red Lyrium mostly, and Fade centered control over the Taint. in DA:O we are told that the Taint is foreign to demons/spirits and so gives Wardens power over them and Darkspawn Mages have unlimited power they draw from the Taint and not the Fade. Yet, in DA:I we meet a demon who basically knows how to brainwash the Grey Wardens for Cory, even though after DA2 it was pretty clear Cory could do that subconsciously, although it might have something to do with the fact he was asleep that he could do that in Legacy. Still, it seemed like Cory was avoiding actually drawing on the abilities of his corruption.

 

But to me two of the big symbolic actions of Cory kind of prove he was in denial about his Tainted nature. The first is the goal of entering the Black City again. He says that what he found in the Black City was either silence and darkness (DA2) or dead whispers (DAI). He does not directly implicate his entering the Black City with his corruption. Why? because to do so would either indicate he was punished, like the Chantry said, or that he was deceived by forces/entities beyond his understanding and that he claimed exactly what lies in the Black City, the corruption of the world. Or, possibly the more frightening prospect for him, that he and his cohorts did claim the power of the gods, and that power is the darkness and the dead whispers, because the powers of the gods he is harnessing are fallible and sundered. Cory wants completeness. He wants closure. He wants it to be painfully obvious what the divine is and its meaning to Thedas. He wants his faith to be obvious. He probably suspects something is "wrong," something is broken and not working properly on the "divine" level and that he feels he has to fix it. He wants to "correct this blighted world." To me, this indicates that the orb has probably revealed a lot to Cory, maybe not to the level he understands it, but that he can recognize something is wrong. Operationally, Solas' and Cory's goals are the same, they were both going to enter the Fade physically and do something, in Cory's case to "claim the throne" and for Solas', to tear down the Veil. I suspect Cory's actions would have done something similar, as everyone is convinced he would destroy the world, and that is precisely what Solas tells us he himself will do. That's why Cory wants to go back to the Black City, because he suspects that this world is "blighted" that it is wrong and he has to fix it, correct it. Compare that to Solas who admits what he did to the world in making it like it is, with the Veil, was a mistake and that Thedosians are all shadows of what was.

 

The second symbolic gesture Cory did which indicates he was uncomfortable with his Blightedness was the creation of the Fake Archedemon. By doing this he essentially gave his gods the middle finger and created the parameters by which he could be killed, by disrupting his body hoping by killing a vessel of his soul. So basically he ruins one of his Taint super-powers, which is immortality because the power of a symbol is more important to him than actual powers like immortality. We know also that Dragons have some sort of symbolism for the Ancient Elves and in particular their "gods." To me, this again gets back at what Cory was all about: he senses/suspects some mistake occurred which disrupted ancient forces he perceives as Divine, and he recognizes an absence that he as a deeply spiritual man (he was a priest, after all) can't accept.

 

That to me is why Cory did not harness the power of the Taint. Because he is not necessarily searching for power, but really trying to figure out what happened and if it can be fixed to restore, if not his faith in the Old Gods, but the value of Faith in Thedas at all. If there are no gods, then Cory will validate faith by making himself a surrogate. We never see in the Dark Future what happens if Cory had gotten to the Black City but only what happens if he could not fabricate another Anchor and the devastation he sews searching for another way into the Fade. I suspect that if Cory had entered the Fade in the flesh with the Orb/Anchor, what would have happened would have been similar to what Solas would have done. 

 

So to me, that is why Cory was not necessarily a wasted opportunity because he did not harness the power of the Darkspawn, as I feel there are plenty of other Magisters left who could still grant you your wish. Cory is the foil of the Inquisitor because they are both grappling with issues of faith and belief. Cory is essentially on an esoteric mission, not really on a mission of global conquest. Though I do agree that the plot of the game, what with him seeking to conquer the South makes him seem like he's really seeking to rule from the Black Throne in the Black CIty, but the Ancient Tevinter Imperium was all about unraveling ancient mysteries they could barely comprehend. They were seeking answers. Cory is upset because in his search for answers he found only doubts in his nation, in his gods, and in himself.

 

That this stuff was not made more obvious, and Cory never really was developed as a complicated character outside of a couple of Codex entries you only get if you side with the Templars, and one understated line at the end when he calls out for Dumat, is the wasted opportunity for me. I guarantee we'll have another Darkspawn threat, just Cory was always meant to be a foil for the real threat of DAI which was not the Darkspawn or the Taint, but Solas. Cory was always meant to emphasize the consequences of Solas' actions: the creation of an incomplete world that will always seek to destroy itself in search of completion.



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No, he was a Darkspawn.

Corypheus is not an darkspawn
1)he was not born from a broodmother
2)He is not affected by the calling
3)he does not lack a soul
4)He is a ghoul a critter which was not born with the taint.
5)he can't be an archdemon vessel
 
define him as a darkspawn is an abuse of definitions