Wrex the Bro cares very little about anything other than curing the Genophage, and the Rachni queen was saved only to become the Reaper's biatch yet again in ME3, because of the respect for player's choices...
(I mean if anyone had a chance to resist indoctrination, it is a telepathic hive-mind species with genetic memories that already knows what the indoctrination is like.)
So? Once you do cure the genophage, the krogan become awesome allies, hampered only by logistics- a problem the geth could easily solve. But yes "respecting player choice" and a good dose of idiocy lead to what we have.
**** writing- it's not just for endings anymore.
Feel free to be wrong. I suppose you could make that argument at the time, but "objectively" (with headcanon knowledge)
Yeah I don't really do that. I make decisions with the information Shepard has available at the time. For example even though on subsequent playthroughs I knew the Rachni queen would be an asset, I still killed her every time because I've heard the "no I'm not indoctrinated, really!" line before and I don't take chances with that ****. It took a user on here logically proving that she was telling the truth before I allowed it in my game.
I'd question that given that their "contribution" between ME2 and 3 amounts to focussing primarily on building a literal idiot ball right in the middle of the Quarian home system, which serves no purpose in the fight against the Reapers and would have been a prime target for the latter to inflict huge damage upon the Consensus even if the Quarians hadn't reached and already blown it up it a scant couple of weeks before the Reapers get there.
Not their proudest moment, I'm sure. Still the case could be made that the Dyson sphere isn't necessarily full retard. The entire geth consensus at full power may have been able to bring something to bear on the Reapers in the cyber warfare department. I can't comment on the likelihood and hacking Reapers sounds silly, but given that the geth were on their way to a singularity and that's precisely what the Reapers are meant to stop it does make you wonder.
Of course we should also clarify what versions of geth and Reapers we're discussing. The geth from ME2's pledge seemed solid. And the "one nation, independent" unknowable Reapers would just laugh at anything the geth could do. ME3's glorified killbots on the other hand I'm not so sure about.
Subjectively, I think it is a bit too trusting given what we know of the geth history at this point (i.e. indiscriminately shooting organics for 3 centuries straight) to immediately conclude we are aware of geth motives. We know literally 1 geth, or erm 1183 runtimes or whatever, and it doesn't end up being exactly honest.
"We are all geth." Unique among literally everthing else we meet, you can bank on what one geth says goes for the rest of them.
Though I suppose they could be trolling (Salarian goddess in Hanar sky or whatever it was)
Given that it only takes the quarians to smash the geth's virtual asses into actual dust until the Reapers show up to "save" them (via essentially killing them with the Pinnochiocode), you'd also have to make sure that either they are on board with this or that Rael'Zorah and Xen are incapable of doing their research somehow (apparently not even letting the Alarei get blown to bits is enough to stop them given you can ignore the mission and the result on the broader quarian-geth power balance is essentially the same). The krogan wouldn't be able to help you here, because they're actually pretty weak on their own given they don't have a fleet, and the geth one isn't really equipped to help them in that regard even if the quarians don't have the means to render it a nonfactor. Any Council race or the quarians could simply glass Tuchanka if you tried to threaten them with the krogan, assuming they didn't just laugh you away.
I don't know about the Rachni, they're still building their army/fleet at this point so their relative threat level could be anywhere. The Reapers seem to deal with them without much issue, but then again the fact that they bothered to focus on them could indicate perceiving them as a threat (though given that they attack the lolBatarians first, this probably isn't the primary reasoning).
Don't get too uppity. Remember the quarians were only able to do that because the geth were busy building their aforementioned idiot ball. The suit rats got the upper hand by basically sucker punching what turned out to be a weakpoint (for massive damage). If they could've roflstomped the geth anytime they wanted, what's with the centuries of gypsying around?
Again, taking things the way they were left off at the end of ME2 the True Geth were by far the biggest fish in town. As for the krogan, like I mentioned above, they're only hampered by logistics, a problem the geth could easily solve.
The rachni are more of a wild card but if I remember correctly, the queen did also pledge to remain hidden until needed and that she would fight the "sour note" or whatever. The rachni may not be what they were during their first invasion but they'd still pack more punch than anything not a Reaper. Giant bugs that multiply as such with a knack for technology. With the geth again lending a hand until they can work logistics for themselves, they're practically invincible.
It admittedly makes little sense the way it is presented, but I always viewed the Heretic presence as more not helping the geth's side of the whole trust issue. You can activate Legion, get Tali to be sympathetic to it and get her a spot on the Admiralty to push her toaster hugger coexistence ideology with Koris, and the geth will still hunt the quarians to extinction if actual Legion's not around/ never delivered its memories to the consensus because Collector Base as a similar example
Their part of the blame for the conflict was entirely whitewashed in ME3. I quite liked Legion's matter of fact answer to Koris about them also not remotely trusting the quarians to ever play nice, before the geth got turned into frolicking peace loving pinnochios who just wanted their mean parents to love them for what they are or whatever. It fits with how the geth are described to have treated post Morning War peace envoys in Revelation (i.e. killing them without even trying to establish contact).
https://www.youtube....8y2mHiw#t=2m11s
You hit the nail on the head- every time the quarians think they can win they've attacked the geth. If the consensus never gets Legion's data that the meatbags are willing to play nice, why should they? Though I suppose this is a giant plot hole if you play it that way since Legion should always be in touch with consensus no? It does seem odd that the geth would go, "welp, Legion's upload didn't terminate gracefully, disregard all this data, exterminate". Yeah, the pitfall of ME3 writing, never really stop, even in the good bits.
Betrayal not in their nature? I guess Legion unprovokedly attempting espionage against an erstwhile ally in ME2 was just my imagination. So was them siding with the Reapers against the rest of the galaxy in ME3, for that matter. I don't care about their excuses. It's categorically a betrayal when there were clearly other options that didn't involve assisting the harvest (like fleeing Rannoch at virtually no loss to themselves and giving the quarians what they want/need).
Was Tali an ally at that point? Why? Because she hung out with Shepard? As far as Legion was concerned, she was still just a creator that will invariably attack if she thinks she can win. And wasn't it validated when it found data on geth experimentation?
As for turning to the Reapers, is it a betrayal if they're literally dumber at that point? So many programs were lost with the Dyson Sphere the geth might've had a case for being Special Needs before the Reaper code. And given what a moron boner Gerrel had about the geth I somehow doubt a graceful retreat would've been allowed anyway.
I'm very much focussed on the afterword. Helping them "Eliminate the competition" as Javik so succinctly put it, so the Reaperized "geth" can become the new galactic overlords isn't my objective. I really couldn't care less what sort of toasters are attempting to kill or enslave me, really, if they're both capable of doing so. Admittedly, in the short term this must be weighed against Reapers being the much greater threat of the two, and acquiring geth help being a necessary Faustian bargain to ensure success despite the risks. Of course, the Crucible renders them a non issue, but we don't know how it works at the time.
There's no real basis for assuming the geth would take the Reapers' place but even if they do, I haven't heard anyone bitching and moaning about us not being able to conventionally defeat the geth. And like you said, the Reapers are the bigger, more immediate threat. One galactic crisis at a time. I certainly wouldn't fault precautions being taken though, keep a few guns and bombs ready to point the other way if you need them.
Dunno what you're talking about with natural selection. Toasters acquiring some code upgrades they aren't responsible for and killing meatbags with them is "natural"? Or is the "natural" manner of things other way round given that the meatbags are the ones killing the toasters without said code being endowed from the god machines. Does this even apply at all given there is absolutely nothing "natural" about how sapient species evolve and develop their technologies in the bounds of the Reaper experiment?
It was shorthand for a "sink or swim" idea. Perhaps I should've said survival of the fittest. Either the quarians prove strong enough and resourceful enough to overcome their foes and take what is theirs, or they get destroyed by their own creations and thus were not worthy to continue living. Outside of looking for assets against the Reapers I really don't care which. It's the same idea behind why I cure the genophage- the krogan lack the resources to be a threat or to sustain their old ways. If they start breeding like rabbits again they'll go extinct from starvation within a few years, if that. Either they adapt and learn to control their population or they perish. Hence, the natural order, as opposed to the artificial nature of the salarians' interference. Curing the genophage really does them no favors.
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you are AI save you files copy paste. Cerberus can bring shepard from the dead, and you telling me robot must die to become robot jesus. 
. I still prefer Aveline her job is to lead people.
