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[Donquijote and 59 others]

Shapeshifters who become corrupted animals?

In theory this should not be possible for both grey warden and non grey warden mages,for the former because they aren't corrupted like the animals for the latter because they are not even tainted.

[Mike3207]

 

Shapeshifters who become corrupted animals?

In theory this should not be possible for both grey warden and non grey warden mages,for the former because they aren't corrupted like the animals for the latter because they are not even tainted.

 

Morrigan says they learn by watching animals in the wild, even the tainted ones. You start out by learning the basic animals, and then when your power grows you gain the ability to transform into the more powerful tainted creatures. It makes a lot of sense to me.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Morrigan says they learn by watching animals in the wild, even the tainted ones. You start out by learning the basic animals, and then when your power grows you gain the ability to transform into the more powerful tainted creatures. It makes a lot of sense to me.

well it doesn't to me,wihtout the taint you can't become a corrurpted animal because you lack the taint and even grey wardens are not tainted like the corrupted animals.

[Mike3207]

You're not becoming an actual tainted creature, but simulating the form of the creature. The shifted form is not going to suffer from the taint the way the creature you observed did, but you will have observed enough to retain the abilities with the form.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Which obviously doesn't make sense because without the taint you can't emulate tainted animals

[Cahir]

You don't have poison but can shapeshift into a Spider. You do not become a creature, you just shift to his form.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

this does not make sense,you can't emulate the taint if you are not tainted posion is just a magical attack in that case.

[straykat]

Perhaps it's best to just not upgrade to that..... unless it's your Warden shapeshifter. Maybe Morrigan should've got a Dragon form or something for the top tier.

 

I would say Shapeshifting has bigger problems. It would have been awesome if it functioned more like the Fade... or like WoW Druids.

[Mike3207]

Well, I couldn't in good conscience not recommend getting Master Shapeshifter. It gives both Bear and Spider Overwhelm, the most awesome ability in the game. Swarm can heal HP damage as a result, and it increases the power of your forms as well.

 

It is a bit of a drawback that normal damage only increases by strength for Bear and Spider, but there are ways around that. I've had Swarm do 200 points of damage in Awakening-full magic with max nature gear, and there are a number of ways to increase strength in Awakening as well. Critical chance/damage gear also give you the chance to do double damage with melee weapons. The hard decision I have now-put more points in strength to increase damage for bear and spider, or go full magic to maximize the ability of Swarm.

[straykat]

Well, I couldn't in good conscience not recommend getting Master Shapeshifter. It gives both Bear and Spider Overwhelm, the most awesome ability in the game. Swarm can heal HP damage as a result, and it increases the power of your forms as well.

 

It is a bit of a drawback that normal damage only increases by strength for Bear and Spider, but there are ways around that. I've had Swarm do 200 points of damage in Awakening-full magic with max nature gear, and there are a number of ways to increase strength in Awakening as well. Critical chance/damage gear also give you the chance to do double damage with melee weapons. The hard decision I have now-put more points in strength to increase damage for bear and spider, or go full magic to maximize the ability of Swarm.

 

I find swarm useful as well.. but I just use it for Morrigan and setting up her tactics. I don't use Shape Shift for anything else. The damage forms would be better hands on.

[GoldenGail3]

Do you have to complain about everything, OP?

[Donquijote and 59 others]

If it doesn't make sense yes.

Corrupted animals can't be copied from those who are not severly tainted like the senior GW or the darkspawn shapeshifters they are the only one who should be allowed to use those forms since tainted animals are more stronger because of the taint they can't be copied from those who lack the taint.

[Cahir]

Hell yeah, Golem form outside the fade. Well, I only played once as a mage, and didn't like much.

[Secret Rare]

Darkspawns shapeshifters (like the one at Fort drakon) should be the only one to be able to use such forms

[straykat]

Darkspawns shapeshifters (like the one at Fort drakon) should be the only one to be able to use such forms

 

I'd still say the Warden makes sense. They basically are darkspawn.

 

Sad as that is.

[Secret Rare]

I'd still say the Warden makes sense. They basically are darkspawn.

 

Sad as that is.

If they are senior GW then yes,because they have enough taint to mimic a corrupted animal or maybe if they used the potion of the power of blood.

[German Soldier]

I don't like it and it could have been made with more creativity.
Master shapeshifter should have been able to become an hybrid between an animal and their humanoid form,however i can see the animation difficulties for doing this

[Abyss108]

Why would you be able to copy the form of an animal, but not copy the form of the taint? 

[Mike3207]

Shapeshifting is a love/hate spec-you either love it or hate it-not a lot of people in the middle.

 

The taint is a disease, of sorts. You can easily observe an animal, but it's much harder to simulate an infection of a animal. How do you recreate with magic a infected animal? Master Shapeshifter clearly brings over the abilities, but I don't know how well it simulates the infection.

[German Soldier]

Why would you be able to copy the form of an animal, but not copy the form of the taint?

Shapeshifting work by learning a creature way of life and by study it's soul and behaviour.
Corrupted animals are not natural animals they are infected and as a result of it their body present several mutations their soul is corrupted and their behaviour is different,it'sfull of anger and rage.
A shapeshifter unless it is a GW or a mage darkspawns should not be able to emulate them.

[Abyss108]

Shapeshifting work by learning a creature way of life and by study it's soul and behaviour.
Corrupted animals are not natural animals they are infected and as a result of it their body present several mutations their soul is corrupted and their behaviour is different,it'sfull of anger and rage.
A shapeshifter unless it is a GW or a mage darkspawns should not be able to emulate them.

 

Yes I am aware of what one is, but you haven't said why mutations and taints should not be emulatable. It's just a different form to study.

[straykat]

I'll just say that DA2 had the best implementations of Specs. That was a neat idea. A Morrigan in that game would have been more unique.

[Cahir]

Shapeshifting sucks. Soon as I got Morrigan on the party, I downloaded the respec mod and made her a Healer.

[straykat]

If you basically want to be hands off, Shapeshifting can still be useful because of Swarm. Just make a nuker like she always is, but set up swarm to trigger when her health is down.. then trigger out when she's healthy.

 

That's kind of a lot of points though. I just do it for RP sake. I prefer Wynne.. and Morrigan says she isn't a healer herself.

 

But yeah.. other than that, it sucks.

[springacres]

If you basically want to be hands off, Shapeshifting can still be useful because of Swarm. Just make a nuker like she always is, but set up swarm to trigger when her health is down.. then trigger out when she's healthy.

 

That's kind of a lot of points though. I just do it for RP sake. I prefer Wynne.. and Morrigan says she isn't a healer herself.

 

But yeah.. other than that, it sucks.

I only ever give it to mages for whom no other spec makes sense.  So it's great for RP purposes if you need to fill a spec slot.  Otherwise, yeah, doesn't make a lot of sense.