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It's official, the Viddasala wasn't a rogue agent


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thesuperdarkone2

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The recent interview with Patrick Weekes pretty much confirmed that the Viddasala wasn't a rogue agent and that it was a Qunari operation.

 

Here's the transcript and video

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So what are your thoughts now that this is confirmed?


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.....I thought it was obvious 


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I think it's cool. But I support the idea that the Qun decided only to endorse this officially if she succeeded, since the Qun would have demanded that. And if she failed spectacularly they just look surprised and shrug. The Qun never demanded this. 

And that's why she tosses the spear at the end, since she's screwed either way and has nothing to loose at that point. 


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.....I thought it was obvious 

Not to some people like Dai Grepher


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It was readily apparent because of Qun-loyal Bull's reaction, but it's nice to have it confirmed. I'm glad they had the balls to make it an actual Qunari invasion - why make it a rogue offshoot when they created the Qunari as a culture and a race and can do whatever they want with them?

An actual Qunari invasion is waaaaay more threatening than some rando Qunari-but-not-really invasion. It's like fighting Tal-Vashoth mercs on the coast when we COULD be having an epic confrontation with the Arishok. No contest.
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I'm glad it was official.  



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It was dead obvious it was the Qunari. Varric even gave us a hint of how they will publicly disown failed events, with the past Arishok as a example. So its no surprise they would try to pin this on a rogue subgroup. And Bull wouldnt fight for no rogue Qun after you made him loyal to the actual Qun. DA4 is heading into a full war with the Qunari and I dont think it will be a choose Tevinter or Qunari thing I think it will be a protect Tevinter from the Qunari.


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It was obvious indeed.

 

I'm ready to fight the Qunari in DA4! It's been long coming... ever since DAO when Sten said: "When the time comes, I will not look for you in the battle field."


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No. When the writers' statements conflict with the beliefs of certain posters, it's the writers who are wrong. 


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@JadeDragon:  The Qunari do not fail. 


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Yup, obvious.



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It was obvious indeed.
 
I'm ready to fight the Qunari in DA4! It's been long coming... ever since DAO when Sten said: "When the time comes, I will not look for you in the battle field."


Don't forget all this yummy portentous banter.

Leliana: I’ve heard stories about the Qunari, you know. They conquered nearly all of the north. Tevinter, Rivain, Antiva… much of the land was laid waste. In the northern kingdoms, they say the Qunari are implacable. Relentless. More like a landslide than an invasion. It took three Exalted Marches to drive them back to the sea.
Sten: We’ll do better next time.

and

Alistair: So I suppose once I'm actually king I could end up in negotiations with the Qunari one day.
Sten: My people do not negotiate.
Alistair: What do you mean? They negotiated a peace treaty after the war, and as far as I know they've kept to its terms.
Sten: They signed a piece of paper. But only because they knew that you believed in it.
Alistair: And what is the difference between that and negotiating?
Sten: They stopped fighting for their own reasons. And they will resume it again, one day. The agreement means nothing to them.
Alistair: But I thought you said your people believed in honor.
Sten: They do. The honor of the Qunari is what will bring our warships back to your shores.

I'M REEAAADDDDYYY, aww yeah.
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Yeah, there's no way a "rogue group" could have that many troops and resources without some kind of sanction. They had bases and agents across Thedas, for Christ's sake.



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While I agree that a legit Qunari invasion is much more interesting, their depiction of that fact in the game still seems a little confused. What was the letter that was supposedly addressed to the Inquisition from the Salasari? Did the Viddasala forge that herself with the intention to deliver it in order to throw then off? Why include it at all, if it isn't supposed to be true?


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While I agree that a legit Qunari invasion is much more interesting, their depiction of that fact in the game still seems a little confused. What was the letter that was supposedly addressed to the Inquisition from the Salasari? Did the Viddasala forge that herself with the intention to deliver it in order to throw then off? Why include it at all, if it isn't supposed to be true?


Wouldn't it be to demonstrate their duplicitousness?
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While I agree that a legit Qunari invasion is much more interesting, their depiction of that fact in the game still seems a little confused. What was the letter that was supposedly addressed to the Inquisition from the Salasari? Did the Viddasala forge that herself with the intention to deliver it in order to throw then off? Why include it at all, if it isn't supposed to be true?

 

On the chance that they fail the Viddasala's group would be thrown under the bus as a "Rogue group"


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While I agree that a legit Qunari invasion is much more interesting, their depiction of that fact in the game still seems a little confused. What was the letter that was supposedly addressed to the Inquisition from the Salasari? Did the Viddasala forge that herself with the intention to deliver it in order to throw then off? Why include it at all, if it isn't supposed to be true?

 

Officially, the qunari denied any ties so they could salvage the situation if it got bollocksed. Every government does this with secret operatives at some point. "You have our support unless you get captured. Then we don't know you."



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It was obvious indeed.

 

I'm ready to fight the Qunari in DA4! It's been long coming... ever since DAO when Sten said: "When the time comes, I will not look for you in the battle field."

 

I've been looking forward to fighting the Qunari on a wider scale since DA2.



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I've been looking forward to fighting the Qunari on a wider scale since DA2.

 

No matter what happens in  DA4 (and fighting the qunari is pretty much a given), I expect them to try and create a more sympathetic portrayal of the qun. Why? Because if they wanted the qunari to be the "bad guys" franchise wide they'd have done a better job of establishing that. My hunch is they don't have long term plans for the qunari and are just rewriting them project to project, but showing them as mustache twirling puppy killers closes too many narative doors.  You'd never be able to have a believer in the qun as a follower for instance, if all other instances of qunari show them stealing cookies from children.

 

 

What they need to do is make a tamassran as either a follower or prominent NPC. For three games every qunari we've met has said "I can't explain the qun, it's too complicated, and bas are stupid anyway". Well then hurry up and give us a character that CAN explain it. If that means the devs have to sit down and write the previously unwritten philosophy of the qunari, all the better.


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It may or may not have been obvious during the lead up to the Iron Bull moment, but that moment makes it clear. Very, very clear.

Official all the way.

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No matter what happens in DA4 (and fighting the qunari is pretty much a given), I expect them to try and create a more sympathetic portrayal of the qun. Why? Because if they wanted the qunari to be the "bad guys" franchise wide they'd have done a better job of establishing that. My hunch is they don't have long term plans for the qunari and are just rewriting them project to project, but showing them as mustache twirling puppy killers closes too many narative doors. You'd never be able to have a believer in the qun as a follower for instance, if all other instances of qunari show them stealing cookies from children.

What they need to do is make a tamassran as either a follower or prominent NPC. For three games every qunari we've met has said "I can't explain the qun, it's too complicated, and bas are stupid anyway". Well then hurry up and give us a character that CAN explain it. If that means the devs have to sit down and write the previously unwritten philosophy of the qunari, all the better.


They've had plenty of sympathetic portrayals of Qunari. The Arishok stated his frustrations very plainly, and was constantly provoked by Petrice. Sten can have a close relationship with the player despite philosophical differences. Bull repeatedly gives insight into the Qun and how it fits into his own experiences. Tallis and other elven converts have their own unique perspective. We know that people don't starve in Par Vollen, that there are no homeless kids, no abominations wreaking havoc. edit: And then there are incredibly humanizing conversations like this one...

Sten: I knew one of your countrymen once, elf.
Zevran: Oh? Have you been to Antiva, then?
Sten: No. Until I came to Ferelden, I had never left the islands. She came to Seheron twice a year with the traders who bought spices from the northern jungle. Only she among the traders would speak to the antaam. Questions about the rainforest, its depths, and the things to be seen there. We humored her. She was... an unfortunate soul.
Zevran: Unfortunate in what way?
Sten: She was a Crow, as you were. Sent to assassinate the kithshoks, leaders of the army of Seheron, for the Tevinter Imperium. We knew this, and pitied her.
Zevran: I'm surprised you did not simply slay her.
Sten: There was no need. Her questions were meant to show her the way through the jungle towards our fortifications. And so one day, she snuck into the jungle to find her target. We found the pieces of her body in a tree, where the spotted cats kept them for later. We had never told her that our kithshoks were the ones who negotiated all the trades at the port.
Zevran: Then she was a fool. That's not very sympathetic, I'm afraid.
Sten: It was her ignorance we pitied, not her mistake. She believed we hoarded things we cared for as her own people do. We were sorry for her, that she thought only some people were important.
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I'm torn on whether DA4 should focus on the Qunari invasion which is apparently underway in Tevinter or on Solas, I don't want them to do both because one plot thread will inevitably be shafted, probably the wardens.


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I kinda want the Qunari to win tbh


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Well, I'm glad a source of many an argument has been settled. Better keep this for future reference.


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I'm torn on whether DA4 should focus on the Qunari invasion which is apparently underway in Tevinter or on Solas, I don't want them to do both because one plot thread will inevitably be shafted, probably the wardens.

 

I feel the front focus should be on the Qunari invasion and the background focus should be on Solas plot  since staying in the shadows and out of notice is what seems to fit Solas' modus operandi. I think it can be done.

 

I see no reason to have the Grey Wardens involved in the story. They could have a minor appearance like a quest in the Deep Roads or something of that sort but other than that, I'd prefer they do not have any larger presence since I feel they'd be likely to take away focus and time from the Qunari and Solas plot.

 


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