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[SweetTeaholic]

Weekes knows his story and characters more than us because HE'S the writer. Most to All writers know their own work and to say otherwise means your full of yourself.

 

The reason why Hissrad betrays you if you kill the Chargers or didn't bother to do his mission to begin with is because he's STILL with the Qun. So he still follows orders, is re-educated and overall IS STILL A SPY BECAUSE HE'S STILL WITH THE QUN! It's an easy thing to understand.

 

The Viddasala WAS authorized. Weekes made it very clear even though he didn't say say the exact words you were looking for. However when she was discovered, it would make sense that the Qunari say "oh no, we didn't tell her that." They were suppose to be a secret operation and the Qunari were trying to save grace from saying otherwise. Nations and governments do this crap all the time in pop culture (and sometimes in real life too). 

 

The Qunari didn't wage war on the South because the Inquisition stopped them before they could even set there plan in motion. If they had no clue what was going on, the Qunari would have set those bombs off and hopefully with most of their leaders dead; they can take over the South with ease being how unorganized it would be.

 

Hissrad killing Qunari was part of the act. Why back when you first recruit him he tells you down right that he's a spy? Because he wants you to trust him and him telling the truth about who he is even more dangerous because of this. That and the Qunari have this weird 'every person is blood of the body" thing; so if the body has to lose a few drops of blood because the Qun demands it; so be it.

 

Seriously, get your head out of your ass and stop acting you know it all. It makes you look like a dick.

[rapscallioness]

jaysus

[Wulfram]

Given how logical the turn of events is, its a little annoying that the Inquisitor is unable to predict. Or at least, to take any more serious action than not taking the guy with us.

(And shouldn't Leliana or Cullen or someone have kept an eye on him?)

[SweetTeaholic]

Given how logical the turn of events is, its a little annoying that the Inquisitor is unable to predict. Or at least, to take any more serious action than not taking the guy with us.

(And shouldn't Leliana or Cullen or someone have kept an eye on him?)

 

Are we referring to Bull? Because if we are; yeah I agree. Really though, it would have been great if there was an option to out Hissrad (I'm referring to his qun name being at this point, The Iron Bull is dead if he's still with the Qun) and detain him before he even got his chance but heh. Seriously, you would think the Inquisitor would predict something is up; or at least be able to play them as such.

 

I'm still shock people were shock that Hissrad turned there backs on them. 

[rapscallioness]

I heard that if you go this route with Bull, at some point he makes a quick trip back to the Qun for "reasons". And it is speculated that while he was there he was re-educated?

 

If so, it is odd that nobody raised an eyebrow.

 

And I believe that the Chargers mission can happen fairly early in the game. At least not too long after you get to Skyhold. Which would mean that for a good portion of the game Bull is doing his Hissrad thing. You were right in Trespasser to ask if Bull knew anything about the Qunari infiltrators. Lelianna says, "He seems just as surprised," or something like that.

 

yeah.

[robertthebard]

That was in reply to midnight tea's assertion that Weekes described it as an official Qunari invasion. You are being intellectually dishonest here. Midnight tea made a claim, I asked for proof of that claim. I am not demanding any kind of exact statement. I heard what Weekes said, I read the transcript. He never said anything that implies the Qunari operation was authorized by the Triumvirate.

Had to stop you right here, because he did, in fact, say that. He said "if we're going to have the Qunari invade, let's have the Qunari invade". Who is it, do you suppose, that gives those orders?

[Serza]

TL;DR, guys. TL;DR.

[SweetTeaholic]

I heard that if you go this route with Bull, at some point he makes a quick trip back to the Qun for "reasons". And it is speculated that while he was there he was re-educated?

 

If so, it is odd that nobody raised an eyebrow.

 

And I believe that the Chargers mission can happen fairly early in the game. At least not too long after you get to Skyhold. Which would mean that for a good portion of the game Bull is doing his Hissrad thing. You were right in Trespasser to ask if Bull knew anything about the Qunari infiltrators. Lelianna says, "He seems just as surprised," or something like that.

 

yeah.

 

Eeeeeyeah. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Bull went back to the re-educators being even with the Chargers dead; he still likely questions himself and griefs over it. And being he was away from Qunari lands for a while; it would make sense for the Ben Hassrath to order him to do so. Sten even had to visit the Re-educators after traveling with the Warden being he picked up a few 'bad' habits.

 

You can blame this on either bad writing or Leliana really being bad at her job. Either or works.

[midnight tea]

Okay. Where did he say it was an official Qunari operation?

 

"(...) When we got to the Qunari we kicked around different ways to do it, we said 'oh, okay, maybe it's a rogue faction of the Qunari and thy aren't really real Qunari and Bull doesn't believe in them?"... And every time we tried to-  we talked ourselves into that for a while, like "oh, Bull wouldn't do this; they're not the real Qunari, they're an offshoot"... and it just got so toothless. It got to a point that 'no, really - who wants to play a game where you're fighting offshoot of the offshoot of the offshoot? We own this. The Qunari aren't used anywhere but in our game. So... if we're gonna say that the Qunari want to start a war, let's own it' and in that case the only reasonable outcome was that if you hadn't gotten Iron Bull out of the Qun it made no sense to do anything else but to turn on you."

 

... At this point you saying that Weekes simply said she's not a rogue faction reeks of desperation, really.

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Apparently, Solas controls all the eluvians. Besides his power boost, it's another reason why he's so friggin' dangerous; he can go anywhere in Thedas that an eluvian leads.

The eluvians are all linked taint one and you taint them all

[Shechinah]

The eluvians are all linked taint one and you taint them all

 

Where are you getting that from? We've encountered tainted and shattered eluvians before and the others seem largely unaffected as far as I can tell.
 

[midnight tea]

The eluvians are all linked taint one and you taint them all

 

The eluvian in DAO was either "tainted" or led to a place that was tainted (likely a section of Deep Roads - and we know from Trespasser that there were reasons for numerous eluvians to be underground) and it appears to have had little to no effect on the network even though it was at least 10 years since it was opened, so no - your theory makes no sense and is based on nothing substantial.

 

Just because something is linked, doesn't yet make whole network vulnerable, especially that we know that singular eluvians can be opened or shut so long as someone has magic, knowledge or a key to it.

[Shechinah]

I am curious to what Tamlen saw in the mirror as I believe he mentioned a city and that they saw him. With the recent revelations in mind...

[Dai Grepher]

Weekes knows his story and characters more than us because HE'S the writer. Most to All writers know their own work and to say otherwise means your full of yourself.

First, I am not accusing him of being ignorant on the issue of Dragon's Breath being authorized or not. I am just pointing out that this interview does not show him stating that Dragon's Breath was authorized, or that Viddasala was acting with consent from the Triumvirate.

However, Weekes did make uninformed statements in the past on Twitter in which he said Iron Bull turns on you because you killed the Chargers. This is canonically false. He had then changed this position for this interview, and his new claim is that you told Bull to stay loyal to the Qun. A lot less incorrect, but still inaccurate. The canon shows that you merely tell Bull that the hill must be defended at all costs.

The reason why Hissrad betrays you if you kill the Chargers or didn't bother to do his mission to begin with is because he's STILL with the Qun.

Agreed.

So he still follows orders, is re-educated and overall IS STILL A SPY BECAUSE HE'S STILL WITH THE QUN! It's an easy thing to understand.

No one fails to grasp that concept. The problem people have with this is that all evidence in Trespasser indicates that Viddasala is acting without authorization from the Triumvirate. Also, she was not Hissrad's superior officer, and he should have been savvy enough to realize that even if the operation was authorized, it would be disavowed upon its failure, which had already happened before Viddasala gave Hissrad the order to attack.

Bottom line, Hissrad was handed the "Idiot Ball". Iron Bull was too, but that's a different topic.

The Viddasala WAS authorized. Weekes made it very clear even though he didn't say say the exact words you were looking for.

You can't have it both ways. Either he made it clear or he didn't say the words. He didn't say the words. He didn't even address Viddasala, the operation, or the Triumvirate. You are inferring your own conclusion based on something completely unrelated.

It's like saying the Arishok was authorized to conquer Kirkwall because the Qunari he commanded were actual Qunari.

However when she was discovered, it would make sense that the Qunari say "oh no, we didn't tell her that." They were suppose to be a secret operation and the Qunari were trying to save grace from saying otherwise.

Perhaps. Or perhaps they truly had no knowledge of her actions against the South.

But, if they were trying to "save grace", then why didn't Viddasala send the letter to its intended destination? By preventing delivery she defied the will of the Triumvirate, especially if the operation had been authorized. Also, if it was authorized, why did she crumple the letter? Why was she mad?

Nations and governments do this crap all the time in pop culture (and sometimes in real life too).

Yes, they do, but that does not automatically mean it happened in this case.

The Qunari didn't wage war on the South because the Inquisition stopped them before they could even set there plan in motion. If they had no clue what was going on, the Qunari would have set those bombs off

Correct. But the question is if the Triumvirate authorized those actions or not. We all agree that Viddasala commanded real Qunari, and those real Qunari tried to start a war, but the question is if the Qunari leadership planned this or not. Weekes did not address that issue.

and hopefully with most of their leaders dead; they can take over the South with ease being how unorganized it would be.

That was Viddasala's foolish hope, no doubt. But was Par Vollen ready to move troops into every southern nation and occupy them all at once? Absolutely not. They couldn't even beat Tevinter alone. There is no way they could conquer the entire south. Besides, Par Vollen did not have any soldiers or ships waiting to take over the South.

Hissrad killing Qunari was part of the act. Why back when you first recruit him he tells you down right that he's a spy? Because he wants you to trust him and him telling the truth about who he is even more dangerous because of this. That and the Qunari have this weird 'every person is blood of the body" thing; so if the body has to lose a few drops of blood because the Qun demands it; so be it.

In exchange for what? Helping make the Inquisitor even more powerful? Stopping Dragon's Breath? Because that's exactly what Hissrad did in addition to killing Qunari. You're honestly telling me that this was all part of the plan? Have Hissrad help the Inquisitor kill Qunari, gain power, and foil Dragon's Breath? Part of Dragon's Breath was to stop Dragon's Breath?

No.

If Hissrad had been in on it, he would have attacked the Inquisitor at the ruins in order to prevent him from reporting back to Halamshiral about the Qunari activity. Or, he would have sent word to his fellow Qunari to abort Dragon's Breath because the plan was discovered.

Seriously, get your head out of your ass and stop acting you know it all. It makes you look like a dick.

Yeah, because name-calling doesn't. The fact that you can't debate this civilly and back your position up with proof shows that your position is wrong.

[Dai Grepher]

Given how logical the turn of events is, its a little annoying that the Inquisitor is unable to predict. Or at least, to take any more serious action than not taking the guy with us.

Agreed. We should be able to ask Hissrad questions, and detain him at any point to keep him out of it.

(And shouldn't Leliana or Cullen or someone have kept an eye on him?)

Leliana was reviewing all the letters he was sending to his superiors requesting an explanation. Hissrad really was out of the loop in the Trespasser, but obviously they can't watch him if he's in your party.

Seriously, you would think the Inquisitor would predict something is up; or at least be able to play them as such.

I'm still shock people were shock that Hissrad turned there backs on them.

That would actually require BioWare to put the effort in.

No, we are shocked that Hissrad followed the order of someone who was technically a Tal-Vashoth at that point.

I heard that if you go this route with Bull, at some point he makes a quick trip back to the Qun for "reasons". And it is speculated that while he was there he was re-educated?

That's not the case. He returns to give a full report to his superiors. There is no indication that he was re-educated, or that he even needed to be.

[Dai Grepher]

Had to stop you right here, because he did, in fact, say that. He said "if we're going to have the Qunari invade, let's have the Qunari invade". Who is it, do you suppose, that gives those orders?

Any Qunari of significant rank. For example, the Arishok in DA2. Doesn't mean he was authorized to do so.
 

Sten even had to visit the Re-educators after traveling with the Warden being he picked up a few 'bad' habits.

Source?
 

if we're gonna say that the Qunari want to start a war, let's own it'

Let's own that the Qunari want to start a war? I don't think that's the exact quote.

Actual quote: So if we're gonna say the Qunari are gonna start a war, let's have the Qunari start a war, and let's own it.

Again, the Qunari didn't actually start a war, but they tried to. So who wrote that these weren't real Qunari trying to start a war?

No one is disputing that these were real Qunari. The question is if the Triumvirate authorized their actions. The answer is no. Viddasala told them to do what they did, and she was not authorized by the Triumvirate.
 

the only reasonable outcome was that if you hadn't gotten Iron Bull out of the Qun it made no sense to do anything else but to turn on you."

Yeah? And what does this have to do with the Triumvirate?

Viddasala barked orders to loyal Qunites just as the Arishok did. Neither were authorized to do what they did. Both were disavowed.
 

At this point you saying that Weekes simply said she's not a rogue faction reeks of desperation, really.

Wrong. I wrote that Weekes did not address the legitimacy of the operation. Him identifying the group as having actual Qunari that tried to start a war with the South does not mean the Triumvirate authorized them to attack the South.

Same as how they did not authorize the Arishok to attack Kirkwall, even though he commanded real Qunari and ordered them to attack.

[robertthebard]

Any Qunari of significant rank. For example, the Arishok in DA2. Doesn't mean he was authorized to do so.

Except that we have Word of God that this isn't the case. You can rail against it all you like, but PW is large and in charge, and if he says it was the Qunari, then that's what he means. He even goes on to refute your claim here in the same quote that's been tossed out a few times.

It's official: Dragon's Breath was a Qunari precursor to invasion, that failed. Until you become the Lead Writer for DA, your pet theory is debunked by Word of God.

[Wulfram]

Until you become the Lead Writer for DA, your pet theory is debunked by Word of God.

Note to self: Come up with a different reason for why I want the job if Bioware ask.

[Smudjygirl]

"When we saw the Breach, the Qun decided it's action" or something of those lines.

Since he tweeted that whether or not she was Tal Vashoth is addressed in Trespasser, I am inclined to believe she is not.

I would guess that the powers that be in Qunari land actually did decide they want to invade the South. The ben hass are the stealth. They were going to make the job of the antaam much easier.

She was charged with the task of killing the leaders of the South, so the Qunari could invade and take over easily.

If anything made the Qunari disavow her, I would imagine it would be her extensive use of mages. But she is also tasked with researching that. But they lie a lot. Anything to further their cause. Indoctrination is a powerful tool, and the Qunari know how to use it.

Well, the Wiki doesn't say anything about her being a traitor.

She's also in charge or re-education, apparently.

[sniper_arrow]

Any Qunari of significant rank. For example, the Arishok in DA2. Doesn't mean he was authorized to do so.
 

Source?
 

Let's own that the Qunari want to start a war? I don't think that's the exact quote.

Actual quote: So if we're gonna say the Qunari are gonna start a war, let's have the Qunari start a war, and let's own it.

Again, the Qunari didn't actually start a war, but they tried to. So who wrote that these weren't real Qunari trying to start a war?

No one is disputing that these were real Qunari. The question is if the Triumvirate authorized their actions. The answer is no. Viddasala told them to do what they did, and she was not authorized by the Triumvirate.
 

Yeah? And what does this have to do with the Triumvirate?

Viddasala barked orders to loyal Qunites just as the Arishok did. Neither were authorized to do what they did. Both were disavowed.
 

Wrong. I wrote that Weekes did not address the legitimacy of the operation. Him identifying the group as having actual Qunari that tried to start a war with the South does not mean the Triumvirate authorized them to attack the South.

Same as how they did not authorize the Arishok to attack Kirkwall, even though he commanded real Qunari and ordered them to attack.

 

Look, either accept the facts and move on (it's easy as 1,2,3) or create your own fanfiction. If you choose the latter, make sure you include ****** and dragons.

[SweetTeaholic]

First, I am not accusing him of being ignorant on the issue of Dragon's Breath being authorized or not. I am just pointing out that this interview does not show him stating that Dragon's Breath was authorized, or that Viddasala was acting with consent from the Triumvirate.



You can't have it both ways. Either he made it clear or he didn't say the words. He didn't say the words. He didn't even address Viddasala, the operation, or the Triumvirate. You are inferring your own conclusion based on something completely unrelated.


Correct. But the question is if the Triumvirate authorized those actions or not. We all agree that Viddasala commanded real Qunari, and those real Qunari tried to start a war, but the question is if the Qunari leadership planned this or not. Weekes did not address that issue.
 

 

Oh my god,

(can someone twitter Weekes and ask him for a straight answer so we can all put this to rest)

 

 

 

However, Weekes did make uninformed statements in the past on Twitter in which he said Iron Bull turns on you because you killed the Chargers. This is canonically false. He had then changed this position for this interview, and his new claim is that you told Bull to stay loyal to the Qun. A lot less incorrect, but still inaccurate. The canon shows that you merely tell Bull that the hill must be defended at all costs.

 

Well, it is about the Chargers in some sense. If you didn't do his mission he turns on you because he's with the Qun still; but the Ben Hassrath knew that the Chargers were a huge link to him becoming more and more Tal Vashoth by the day. They knew that these bas were becoming far more important to him than his job. When you let them die in DotQ; you got rid of the link and now there are no distractions. Hissrad now can focus on his job.

 

There's a high chance he was reeducated, and we know there known for doing some scary crap.

 

So yeah, Weekes isn't worng on it being about the Chargers in some way. They were his family; if you let them die to save an alliance that's going to bite you in the ass anyways; he's broken from this and kills him insides.

 

 

 

But, if they were trying to "save grace", then why didn't Viddasala send the letter to its intended destination? By preventing delivery she defied the will of the Triumvirate, especially if the operation had been authorized. Also, if it was authorized, why did she crumple the letter? Why was she mad?

 

At this point the plan is out in the open, so no matter what the Qunari say; they showed they can't be trusted on their word regardless if they go the letter or not

 

Wouldn't you be angry if all your hard work ended up blowing up in your face? That someone leaked this plan you worked so hard to build up before you were able to present it? And now the people you work for told you to do this and put all your heart into it and then they go out of there way to discredit all your hard work?

 

She's frustrated with everything that happened, so now you have the Triumvirate trying to play PR to make it as she wasn't given the ok put a nail in the coffin. It's like a parent who tells their kid that no matter how proud they try to make them that they didn't do well enough.

 

 

 

 But was Par Vollen ready to move troops into every southern nation and occupy them all at once? Absolutely not. They couldn't even beat Tevinter alone. 

 

That could be said because Tevinter is organized and they would see the Qunari coming if they pulled a plan out like this because they fought with each other so many times. The South (minus some of the Free Marchers) doing have to deal with the Qunari in there every day life and they would least expect an attack like this. So they took a bargain and hoped the 'victory to the Qun' and all that fun Qunari stuff.

 

 

 

In exchange for what? Helping make the Inquisitor even more powerful? Stopping Dragon's Breath? Because that's exactly what Hissrad did in addition to killing Qunari. You're honestly telling me that this was all part of the plan? Have Hissrad help the Inquisitor kill Qunari, gain power, and foil Dragon's Breath? Part of Dragon's Breath was to stop Dragon's Breath?

No.

If Hissrad had been in on it, he would have attacked the Inquisitor at the ruins in order to prevent him from reporting back to Halamshiral about the Qunari activity. Or, he would have sent word to his fellow Qunari to abort Dragon's Breath because the plan was discovered.

 

Ok this is my fault being I didn't put it in the words that I should have. Was angry and words are mush.

 

No, it wasn't Hissrad's job to kill Qunari; it was his job to stay and watch the Inquisitor. He was following orders to act as he was still their friend, so it that meant having to fight his own people, let them blow up a mine, etc.; he had to keep an act. Also you can also put in mind that the Qunari didn't expect the Inquisition to be as big as a threat they were. Hissrad may have known, the the rest didn't. And even if he wanted to stop them; his orders were clear to stay with the Inquisitor. Until he got the order to kill them; he couldn't. Qunari honor and what not.

 

Also who said he didn't send word to the Qunari? He knew where their HQ was and there were other Qunari spies in the Inquisition he could hand a note too Just because we didn't see him sending any notes to the Ben Hassrath in the main game doesn't mean he didn't. Also the Qunari don't 'abort', nor do they 'fail.' Their goal was to spread the Qun to the South and unless they have a good reason otherwise (and by good reason I mean that by Qun logic. Qunari are weird), they aren't going to back out.

 

 

 

Yeah, because name-calling doesn't. The fact that you can't debate this civilly and back your position up with proof shows that your position is wrong.

 

And you're right; me being as rude as I was was wrong. I was angry at the time and emotions got the better of me. So yeah, not going to argue against that.

 

That being said; I am not wrong with me calling you out about you thinking you know it all when there are so many others on this topic saying the same thing, even though they aren't as forthcoming as I was. I hate  ignorance, and even hate it more so when it bleeds on to other people and causes the topic to go crazy as this.

 

 I don't say this to be mean; I say this as criticism that hopefully you'd learn from it. People don't hate you because you have an option; they hate you so because you act as or opinion is fact and only fact. 

 

But as you said, you're right I shouldn't have went to name calling, but I still don't regret calling you out on it. 

 

Also regarding the whole Sten thing: I believe it was Mary Kriby (who's the writer for all things Qunari) who said it but I don't remember if it was on her or Twitter. It was said though.

[Dai Grepher]

Except that we have Word of God that this isn't the case.

No you don't.

You can rail against it all you like, but PW is large and in charge, and if he says it was the Qunari, then that's what he means.

I never wrote it wasn't the Qunari. I wrote that the Triumvirate did not authorize them to carry out Dragon's Breath. Stop trying to dodge the issue.

He even goes on to refute your claim here in the same quote that's been tossed out a few times.

No he didn't. He never addressed the Viddasala, Dragon's Breath, or the Triumvirate.

It's official: Dragon's Breath was a Qunari precursor to invasion, that failed. Until you become the Lead Writer for DA, your pet theory is debunked by Word of God.

Weekes never said Dragon's Breath was authorized. I know you desperately wish this to be the case, but the facts don't lie.

"When we saw the Breach, the Qun decided it's action" or something of those lines.

Since he tweeted that whether or not she was Tal Vashoth is addressed in Trespasser, I am inclined to believe she is not.

But you are mixing up the issues here. No one claimed she began as Tal-Vashoth. The issue is if Dragon's Breath was authorized by the Triumvirate or not. These are two completely different issues.

I would guess that the powers that be in Qunari land actually did decide they want to invade the South. The ben hass are the stealth. They were going to make the job of the antaam much easier.

But do you have any evidence of this? There were no antaan soldiers waiting for Dragon's Breath to complete. There was never any invasion force ready to take the South.

She was charged with the task of killing the leaders of the South, so the Qunari could invade and take over easily.

Leaders get replaced within hours, and there are too many scattered all around for the Qunari to strike all at once.

If anything made the Qunari disavow her, I would imagine it would be her extensive use of mages. But she is also tasked with researching that.

Or was she?

But they lie a lot. Anything to further their cause. Indoctrination is a powerful tool, and the Qunari know how to use it.

But that doesn't mean everything they say is a lie. They may have truly known nothing of Viddasala's plot.

Well, the Wiki doesn't say anything about her being a traitor.

She's also in charge or re-education, apparently.

The Wiki is a blog, and it isn't going to make an affirmative statement unless there is specific information that states this in the canon.

[Dai Grepher]

Look, either accept the facts and move on (it's easy as 1,2,3) or create your own fanfiction. If you choose the latter, make sure you include ****** and dragons.

I have accepted the facts that Viddasala was not authorized and the Triumvirate had no knowledge of her. The facts of the game prove this. Patrick Weekes said nothing to the contrary.

Oh my god,
(can someone twitter Weekes and ask him for a straight answer so we can all put this to rest)

Seeing as how the game itself leaves it mostly ambiguous in the epilogue, I would guess that Weekes would leave it that way as well.

As I wrote many times already, if Weekes were to say that the Triumvirate authorized Dragon's Breath I would take his word for it. His storyline would make no sense in that case, but most of Trespasser made no sense. So I would have no trouble believing that.

Well, it is about the Chargers in some sense. If you didn't do his mission he turns on you because he's with the Qun still;

Which means it has nothing to do with the Chargers. He will turn his back on them too.

but the Ben Hassrath knew that the Chargers were a huge link to him becoming more and more Tal Vashoth by the day. They knew that these bas were becoming far more important to him than his job. When you let them die in DotQ; you got rid of the link and now there are no distractions. Hissrad now can focus on his job.

Wrong. Skipping DotQ proves that the Chargers are not enough to change him, even after two more years of being together and getting him a dragon skull for his birthday.

There's a high chance he was reeducated, and we know there known for doing some scary crap.

And why would there be a high chance of that exactly?

So yeah, Weekes isn't worng on it being about the Chargers in some way. They were his family; if you let them die to save an alliance that's going to bite you in the ass anyways; he's broken from this and kills him insides.

Again, wrong. Disproved by skipping DotQ. He only leaves the Qun if you reassure him that he has you or the Inquisition to latch onto. He's a coward who needs people or the Qun to use as a crutch.

At this point the plan is out in the open, so no matter what the Qunari say; they showed they can't be trusted on their word regardless if they go the letter or not

How so? If the Triumvirate disavows Viddasala and tells the Inquisition that she acted without their knowledge, then it reassures the Inquisition that there was no broken word. It was just one rogue agent losing herself.

Wouldn't you be angry if all your hard work ended up blowing up in your face? That someone leaked this plan you worked so hard to build up before you were able to present it? And now the people you work for told you to do this and put all your heart into it and then they go out of there way to discredit all your hard work?

I would be angry, but Viddasala's plan failed long before she read that letter. And my point is that if this mission was authorized, then the letter should not anger her at all. If it was really the Triumvirate's plan then their letter to the Inquisition is just more deception meant to buy Viddasala more time. Not sending the letter would only doom any chance of salvaging the mission.

She's frustrated with everything that happened, so now you have the Triumvirate trying to play PR to make it as she wasn't given the ok put a nail in the coffin. It's like a parent who tells their kid that no matter how proud they try to make them that they didn't do well enough.

Yeah fine. That doesn't explain crumpling up a letter meant to deceive the enemy. And if the letter was to let her know that she failed and that the Triumvirate was now in full coverup mode, then she should have done her duty as a real Qunari and facilitated the coverup by surrendering herself to re-education and "confessing" to take full responsibility, not tried to continue the attack despite its utter failure.

That could be said because Tevinter is organized and they would see the Qunari coming if they pulled a plan out like this because they fought with each other so many times. The South (minus some of the Free Marchers) doing have to deal with the Qunari in there every day life and they would least expect an attack like this. So they took a bargain and hoped the 'victory to the Qun' and all that fun Qunari stuff.

No, you're misunderstanding. I am questioning the strategy of Viddasala's plan. Even if she had blown up all heads of state or buried them under rubble (impossible to do), and even if these heads were not replaced by the next in line (unlikely to happen), that still results in millions of square miles for the Qunari to occupy all across the South. And there are only so many eluvians. The closest one to Denerim is in the Dragon Bone Wastes. There's no possible way they can cover that much ground and defend it even from the indigenous armies. They would spread themselves too thin, and this is at a time when they can't even beat Tevinter, which would take advantage of the spread out resources and wipe the Qunari out completely through aggressive expansion. This is why Hissrad says that an invasion isn't possible.

The only way the Qunari can expand is if they do it one country at a time over decades. They would have to advance, secure, develop, replenish, and then advance again.

[Dai Grepher]

Ok this is my fault being I didn't put it in the words that I should have. Was angry and words are mush.

No, it wasn't Hissrad's job to kill Qunari; it was his job to stay and watch the Inquisitor. He was following orders to act as he was still their friend, so it that meant having to fight his own people, let them blow up a mine, etc.; he had to keep an act. Also you can also put in mind that the Qunari didn't expect the Inquisition to be as big as a threat they were. Hissrad may have known, the the rest didn't. And even if he wanted to stop them; his orders were clear to stay with the Inquisitor. Until he got the order to kill them; he couldn't. Qunari honor and what not.

It's all right.

If it was his job to stay and watch the Inquisitor, then why didn't he follow this order above Viddasala's? She was not his superior, and his own superior is of equal rank as Viddasala. Two conflicting orders would result in him following the superior of his branch of the Ben-Hassrath, not Viddasala. And why didn't Viddasala call on Hissrad to kill the Inquisitor back in the Vir Dirthara when she told everyone else to kill the Inquisitor? Dragon's Breath actually had a chance of succeeding at that point. At the Darvaarad Dragon's Breath had already failed. If Hissrad was to remain a spy, that was the time to remain one. Turning at that point served no purpose. It only destroyed the Triumvirate's chance to keep someone on the inside, which I believe was Viddasala's true goal. To sabotage any chance of the alliance remaining intact. I think she was working to start a world war, which the Triumvirate did not want because they knew the Qunari would lose it. But Viddasala didn't care.

Also, I think you may have... not addressed the main concern here. I can understand if Hissrad was supposed to watch, but at the expense of Dragon's Breath? I mean, where's the logic in watching the Inquisitor beat your side? Shouldn't he have stepped in at some point? I just don't see him being told to kill fellow Qunari and help foil Dragon's Breath just to remain as a spy, and I certainly don't see him being told to throw all that away and attack the Inquisitor after the plan has already been ruined.

Also who said he didn't send word to the Qunari? He knew where their HQ was and there were other Qunari spies in the Inquisition he could hand a note too Just because we didn't see him sending any notes to the Ben Hassrath in the main game doesn't mean he didn't. Also the Qunari don't 'abort', nor do they 'fail.' Their goal was to spread the Qun to the South and unless they have a good reason otherwise (and by good reason I mean that by Qun logic. Qunari are weird), they aren't going to back out.

Well... I'm not claiming he didn't send word to the Qunari. In fact my point was that he was sending word to them. My question was why didn't he warn them that the Inquisitor discovered the plot, and thus they needed to abort? The fact that the plan was discovered meant that the Qunari would have lost the element of surprise as well as secrecy. The Triumvirate, if they authorized Dragon's Breath, would not want anyone in the South to learn of it and possibly conclude that the Llomeryn Accords had been breached by them. That would only cause a new Exalted March against Par Vollen.

Qunari can abort a mission if continuing it would only cause greater loss. The tide comes and rolls away, as the parable goes. For all intents and purposes, if Dragon's Breath had been official, it failed the moment the Inquisitor learned of it and warned others that Qunari were involved.

And you're right; me being as rude as I was was wrong. I was angry at the time and emotions got the better of me. So yeah, not going to argue against that.

Don't worry about it. As I have written, if Weekes says that Dragon's Breath was authorized, I'll take his word for it. This isn't an issue to get upset about. I just believe that the game points to one thing as the most likely option. We are all free to agree or disagree.

That being said; I am not wrong with me calling you out about you thinking you know it all when there are so many others on this topic saying the same thing, even though they aren't as forthcoming as I was. I hate ignorance, and even hate it more so when it bleeds on to other people and causes the topic to go crazy as this.

I never claimed to know it all. I just post examples from the game and explain why it points to the conclusion I have come to. Anyone here is free to refute those examples or offer alternative explanations for them, or post their own. It doesn't matter how many people here disagree with me. Having more people on a side doesn't make it more likely to be correct.

I don't say this to be mean; I say this as criticism that hopefully you'd learn from it. People don't hate you because you have an option; they hate you so because you act as or opinion is fact and only fact.

Thanks for the advice, but I don't think I've made the mistakes you've described.

Also regarding the whole Sten thing: I believe it was Mary Kriby (who's the writer for all things Qunari) who said it but I don't remember if it was on her or Twitter. It was said though.

Well, without seeing it myself I can't accept it as fact.

[SweetTeaholic]

@Dai Grepher: As much as I want to reply back to all of this; I feel as I will sound like a broken record being I already said everything I had to say about this issue and addressing again would be pointless. As you said; let us agree to disagree and move on.

 

Regardless of my thoughts against your points; you've been civil thought out the whole thing and that's something I can appreciate. Thank you for being so putting aside my attitude earlier. 

 

This argument isn't worth anyone's time at this point so I'm gonna move on and I suggest others to do so too.