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[Dai Grepher]

@Dai Grepher: As much as I want to reply back to all of this; I feel as I will sound like a broken record being I already said everything I had to say about this issue and addressing again would be pointless. As you said; let us agree to disagree and move on.

Regardless of my thoughts against your points; you've been civil thought out the whole thing and that's something I can appreciate. Thank you for being so putting aside my attitude earlier.

This argument isn't worth anyone's time at this point so I'm gonna move on and I suggest others to do so too.

Okay. Thanks for the discussion.

[Dutch's Ghost]

I hope they don't screw it up like they did with the Mage-Templar war, and the orlesian civil war.

[robertthebard]

No you don't.


I never wrote it wasn't the Qunari. I wrote that the Triumvirate did not authorize them to carry out Dragon's Breath. Stop trying to dodge the issue.


No he didn't. He never addressed the Viddasala, Dragon's Breath, or the Triumvirate.


Weekes never said Dragon's Breath was authorized. I know you desperately wish this to be the case, but the facts don't lie.

You're right about one thing here, the facts don't lie. I'm not going to get the quote again, you obviously don't read it, or can't comprehend it. To those of us that don't have this love affair with ourselves to the point that we can never be wrong, it's as plain as day. However, I don't find it annoying that you have to hold on to this fiction, I find it cute. It's cute that you can read/listen to an interview that tells you, in no uncertain terms, that she wasn't a rogue agent, and yet, continue to hold on to this belief that she had to be, that the Qunari would never do anything like that. It's sort of sad that you have to twist and convolute yourself to the point of a contortionist to hold on to this fiction you've created of (apparently here, because frankly I don't know what you're basing any of your claims on, since it's not evidence provided) "She's not a rogue agent, but she went rogue and her people didn't realize it".

Perhaps it's a struggle with the concept of what "going rogue" or "rogue faction" means? Maybe you're thinking she went rouge? Perhaps the concept of "plausible deniability" doesn't compute? Here's the better question: Qunari that go off the reservation, AKA "go rogue", are Tal Vashoth. Why would a Qun loyal Iron Bull follow some Tal Vashoth? This is what "doing her own thing w/out direct orders" would mean, that she went off the reservation, in other words, went rogue, and is now Tal Vashoth. You see, what you're trying to claim here is that the Qunari will follow anyone, and if that's the case, why would a Qun loyal IB turn on the Inquisitor, one Bas is the same as another, right? But hey, what do I know, it's not like we haven't seen Qunari following Bas for the entirety of the franchise, right? Oh wait...

[Dai Grepher]

You're right about one thing here, the facts don't lie. I'm not going to get the quote again, you obviously don't read it, or can't comprehend it.

To those of us that don't have this love affair with ourselves to the point that we can never be wrong, it's as plain as day.

Fine, I'll quote him for you.

"So if we're gonna say the Qunari are gonna start a war, let's have the Qunari start a war, and let's own it."

Show me where he stated that the Qunari were authorized by the Triumvirate to start a war.

I have written several times that if Weekes says that the Viddasala was authorized to carry out Dragon's Breath, I will take his word for it. I am simply demanding proof that he said this.
 

However, I don't find it annoying that you have to hold on to this fiction, I find it cute. It's cute that you can read/listen to an interview that tells you, in no uncertain terms, that she wasn't a rogue agent,

and yet, continue to hold on to this belief that she had to be, that the Qunari would never do anything like that.

Please look above and find the part where he said Viddasala wasn't a rogue agent.

Never wrote that she had to be. The facts of the game indicate that she was. Also never wrote that the Triumvirate wouldn't try it, just that it wasn't logical for them to try. If Weekes wants to say that they did, then fine, it just makes the Triumvirate a trio of idiots. But I will take Weekes' word for it.
 

It's sort of sad that you have to twist and convolute yourself to the point of a contortionist to hold on to this fiction you've created of (apparently here, because frankly I don't know what you're basing any of your claims on, since it's not evidence provided)

That's because you're not reading my posts. The letter in the Darvaarad from the Triumvirate to the Inquisition states that they had no knowledge of Viddasala's actions. This is true regardless of your choice for Demands of the Qun. The epilogue states that the Ben-Hassrath disavowed the Viddasala.

No contorting here. I have game facts to back me up. You are the one finding words in Weekes' statements that do not exist.
 

"She's not a rogue agent, but she went rogue and her people didn't realize it".

She did not start out as a rogue agent. She was the legitimate Viddasala. But at some point before Trespasser she began acting on her own. It was her plan to attack the South and start a war, not the Triumvirate's. This made her rogue. Just as the Arishok attacking Kirkwall made him rogue.
 

Perhaps it's a struggle with the concept of what "going rogue" or "rogue faction" means?

No. I know what a rogue faction is. The Qunari in Trespasser were not rogue. It's just that Viddasala was misusing them for unauthorized actions. Again, same as the Arishok did in DA2.
 

Maybe you're thinking she went rouge? Perhaps the concept of "plausible deniability" doesn't compute?

I know what plausible deniability is. There is no evidence that this was present with the Triumvirate. They try to contact the Inquisition in any case and assure them that the actions of the Viddasala were not authorized. This is even if you let the dreadnought get blown up.
 

Here's the better question: Qunari that go off the reservation, AKA "go rogue", are Tal Vashoth.

Not necessarily Tal-Vashoth. Some are given a chance through re-education.
 

Why would a Qun loyal Iron Bull follow some Tal Vashoth?

Because Hissrad was handed the "Idiot Ball" in Trespasser, and he blindly followed any order he was given by anyone with horns on their head.
 

This is what "doing her own thing w/out direct orders" would mean, that she went off the reservation, in other words, went rogue, and is now Tal Vashoth.

Only those in Par Vollen can determine that, and for all we know they did brand her Tal-Vashoth. But this wouldn't have happened until after Trespasser concluded. But there is evidence that she was disobeying orders in other ways. Feeding lyrium to saarebas, bringing red lyrium in to Qunari lands, falsifying reports to the gate keeper. And so on. Jerran could see it, that's why they killed him.
 

You see, what you're trying to claim here is that the Qunari will follow anyone, and if that's the case, why would a Qun loyal IB turn on the Inquisitor, one Bas is the same as another, right? But hey, what do I know, it's not like we haven't seen Qunari following Bas for the entirety of the franchise, right? Oh wait...

Not sure what you're getting at here. Regardless of what you think of Viddasala, Hissrad was ordered to be a spy. He should have followed that order, not Viddasala's, even if she had been authorized. Dragon's Breath was already foiled. There was no purpose for Hissrad to attack the Inquisitor at that point in time. He can see the letter from the Triumvirate as well. He should have followed the order written by them instead of the Viddasala's. So Hissrad was an idiot regardless of the official status of Dragon's Breath.

[Mistic]

Not sure what you're getting at here. Regardless of what you think of Viddasala, Hissrad was ordered to be a spy. He should have followed that order, not Viddasala's, even if she had been authorized. Dragon's Breath was already foiled. There was no purpose for Hissrad to attack the Inquisitor at that point in time. He can see the letter from the Triumvirate as well. He should have followed the order written by them instead of the Viddasala's. So Hissrad was an idiot regardless of the official status of Dragon's Breath.

 

Exactly and not exactly. The idea is that if Viddasala was truly rogue, as seen in that letter Iron Bull himself should have seen at the same time as the Inquisitor, he would refrain from acting even if her Qunari honestly believed they were carrying out the demands of the Qun. But he attacked after receiving orders from a woman who wasn't her direct superior.

 

It makes more sense if the operation was authorized and he was at least aware of it, because then he would have discarded the letter as a diplomatic exercise of "plausible deniability" and would have tried to salvage the mission in the very last minute even if he personally thought the Inquisitor would win again. It's a choice between "suicidal, but loyal to the end" or "suddenly the experienced secret agent becomes blind and dumb, is deceived and dies for nothing".

 

Now, I have a question: does the text of the letter from the Triumvirate change if the dreadnought was saved or not? I'm curious.

[robertthebard]

Fine, I'll quote him for you.

"So if we're gonna say the Qunari are gonna start a war, let's have the Qunari start a war, and let's own it."

Show me where he stated that the Qunari were authorized by the Triumvirate to start a war.

Here's a simpler question, show me where he didn't say it.

[kimgoold]

I like that they had Bull betray you. It really shows how good a liar and spy he (and other Qunari spies?) can be. Oh,wow, and if anybody romanced him with this choice..my sympathies.

 

At any rate, it does show that a Ben Hassrath can completely fool you, and sleep with you while doing it.

 

My favorite part of this is when Weekes said if we're gonna have a Qunari invasion, let's have it already. let's own this. Yaaasss! However, I do not want Tevinter and the Qunari suddenly joining hands and singing Kumbayah against Solas. Too easy. I want things messy and complicated.

 

I would also like to see the Qunari invasion be the more immediate threat with the Solas line in the background. Not too far in the background, but not obvious in your face like the Qunari.

 

If they do go forth with the Qunari are starting war, I hope it has....umph to it. For example, the Qun actually occupying new parts of Tevinter. I would like to see what that's like. I would like to see people being occupied by the Qun. And You as the PC have to figure how to navigate the situation to do what you need to do.  I want to see a before and after difference within Tevinter and/or the surrounding area when the Qun sincerely stops playing around.

 

We'll see. I don;t want them taking on too many big ideas because I want the Qunari and Solas threads to be well fleshed out and give the feeling of a persistent threat throughout the game.

 

**sooo, does Solas have full control of all the Eluvians now? Or do the Qunari still have some backdoor eluvians they control? I also would like to see what they learned during their time in Trespasser. When they were working on theoretical applications of magic and all that. I would love to their notes. Or meet one of the physicists that was working to cipher things.

 

I agree, I really hope they don't pull a one act resolution to the Qunari invasion like the Mage/Templar conflict in DAI. 

[Dai Grepher]

Exactly and not exactly. The idea is that if Viddasala was truly rogue, as seen in that letter Iron Bull himself should have seen at the same time as the Inquisitor, he would refrain from acting even if her Qunari honestly believed they were carrying out the demands of the Qun. But he attacked after receiving orders from a woman who wasn't her direct superior.

Right, and my point is that under the premise of Dragon's Breath being authorized, he disobeyed his orders to remain a spy within the Inquisition.
 

It makes more sense if the operation was authorized and he was at least aware of it, because then he would have discarded the letter as a diplomatic exercise of "plausible deniability" and would have tried to salvage the mission in the very last minute even if he personally thought the Inquisitor would win again.

Three other problems with that. 1. If it was plausible deniability, why did Viddasala prevent its intended delivery? 2. If he was aware of the operation, then him killing Qunari and helping the Inquisitor foil the operation makes no sense. He should have attacked the Inquisitor in the Vir Dirthara when Viddasala gave the general order of "kill the Inquisitor", if not before that. 3. Dragon's Breath had been exposed and every court across the South warned of the danger. The operation had already failed. Viddasala didn't know this and tried to rush its enactment. Hissrad knew the operation had failed, so he had no reason to support it after that point. He should have known the Triumvirate would disavow Viddasala for her failure.

Another issue I'd like to bring up, although this is meta, is that Viddasala will attempt to make The Iron Bull join in her attack against the Inquisitor as well. Why would she do that if The Iron Bull was Tal-Vashoth? The Qunari consider Tal-Vashoth to be beyond hope or redemption.
 

It's a choice between "suicidal, but loyal to the end" or "suddenly the experienced secret agent becomes blind and dumb, is deceived and dies for nothing".

Seeing as how the rest of Trespasser is equally dumb, would it be any surprise that Hissrad was turned into a blind fool? Don't forget, even a Tal-Vashoth Iron Bull will be turned into a blind fool in Trespasser. He's ex-Ben-Hassrath. While I'm relieved that this makes him observant to a clumsy group of mercs moving a heavy dragon skull across the room, I have to say I'm quite disappointed that he wasn't able to notice Ben-Hassrath Viddithari infiltrating the Inquisition during the last two years.

Basically it comes down to this. The Triumvirate letter should have made Hissrad disobey the Viddasala regardless of the circumstances of her authorization. It didn't. So he was an idiot either way. My best explanation is that as Hissrad, he was just blindly loyal to any Qunari who would tell him what to do. Meaning, he could not think for himself when observing the Triumvirate letter.

Of course, BioWare's lack of storyline about the letter adds to this problem. There is no option to discuss that, but there is an option to comment on the items there and their possible connection to the eluvians. It's like, big deal. Who care what they were researching, the letter is the most important thing in that room. I think BioWare phoned it in with this entire DLC.
 

Now, I have a question: does the text of the letter from the Triumvirate change if the dreadnought was saved or not? I'm curious.

It does, but it always says that they have no knowledge of any operations in the South.

If you let the dreadnought explode, the Triumvirate replies with the following.

"The Triumvirate of the Qunari people wishes to assure you that despite the loss of the dreadnought Berethlok and its crew of one hundred souls in a failed joint mission with the Inquisition two years past, military action has not been approved against the Inquisition. No one in Par Vollen has authorized actions of any kind involving the Exalted Council. Nor will they.

We are seeking out the Ben-Hassrath priest who appears to be leading this operation without our consent. Once she is located, we assure you that these hostile actions will cease."

Mine is slightly different, but since I had the alliance, their letter to me was much more respectful. (I will have to look it up later. I have screenshots of it.)

I forget what the letter stated for my Levellan though. She didn't bother with the quest at all.
 

Here's a simpler question, show me where he didn't say it.

Certainly. Here's where he didn't say that the Qunari were authorized by the Triumvirate to start a war...

http://forum.bioware...ent/?p=20153801

That entire interview.

[robertthebard]

Certainly. Here's where he didn't say that the Qunari were authorized by the Triumvirate to start a war...

http://forum.bioware...ent/?p=20153801

That entire interview.

Right, so long as we ignore that whole "if we're going to have the Qunari start a war, have 'em start a war" thing, you're position makes perfect sense. However, since he did say it, and authorization for starting a war comes from on high, the triumvirate, he did, in fact, say that they authorized it. Twist it however you like, but it's there, spoken and in print.

[Dai Grepher]

Right, so long as we ignore that whole "if we're going to have the Qunari start a war, have 'em start a war" thing, you're position makes perfect sense.

No, you don't have to ignore it. The Qunari in Trespasser tried to start a war. No one is denying that.
 

However, since he did say it, and authorization for starting a war comes from on high, the triumvirate, he did, in fact, say that they authorized it.

No he didn't. You are just putting words in his mouth, and you are confusing declarations of war with unauthorized hostile acts that provoke war.

Authorization for declaring and starting a war is supposed to come from on high, from the Triumvirate, the leaders. However, just because Viddasala tried to start a war doesn't mean she was authorized to do so. She is capable of trying to start a war without authorization. She is capable of committing unsanctioned, hostile acts.

The Arishok could have started a war without authorization had Hawke not been there to defuse the situation.

A war can be started in many ways. A random soldier killing a defenseless, innocent child. Insulting some dignitary of a neighboring nation. Threatening another nation. Trying to blow people up in other nations. None of these need to be authorized, but all can start a war.
 

Twist it however you like, but it's there, spoken and in print.

I untwisted it for you.

[In Exile]

Why do we keep saying the Triumvirate had to authorise it? We've seen nothing in DA to tell us what this ruling body actually does - we dont know, for example, and how the Arishok is autonomous.

[midnight tea]

Right, so long as we ignore that whole "if we're going to have the Qunari start a war, have 'em start a war" thing, you're position makes perfect sense. However, since he did say it, and authorization for starting a war comes from on high, the triumvirate, he did, in fact, say that they authorized it. Twist it however you like, but it's there, spoken and in print.

 

Well, that and it's pretty much written black on white in Trespasser epilogue "With the Dragon's Breath disrupted and any hope of a swift victory dashed, the Qunari retreated back to the North."

 

If the Qunari didn't plan the whole thing, why would even the epilogue mention that? And we're not talking about an unreliable narrator here - the narrator knows intimate details, like the fact that Inquisitor's and Sera's retirement is a ruse, or that Lavellan dreams of Solas.

[Mistic]

If it was plausible deniability, why did Viddasala prevent its intended delivery?

 

That has been one of my main problems with your argument: you are assuming that Viddasala prevented its intended delivery. We don't have any proof of that, it isn't stated in-game. In fact, until I saw this theory in the forums I had assumed that it was a copy sent by her superiors to know how things are going diplomatically speaking.

 

Think about it: if she were really intercepting the messages, how come the Triumvirate can answer the letter from the Inquisition? If she only intercepted the answers, how come she has a copy of the Inquisition letter?

[Dai Grepher]

Why do we keep saying the Triumvirate had to authorise it? We've seen nothing in DA to tell us what this ruling body actually does - we dont know, for example, and how the Arishok is autonomous.

I think because the main argument is about if Par Vollen tried to start the war or if it was just Viddasala acting alone.

If it was the Triumvirate, then it would mean a violation of the Llomeryn Accords. Which would mean a new Exalted March against Par Vollen. Big storyline implications.

Also, I don't think the Arishok was autonomous. At least, not in DA2.

Well, that and it's pretty much written black on white in Trespasser epilogue "With the Dragon's Breath disrupted and any hope of a swift victory dashed, the Qunari retreated back to the North."

That is either referring to Viddasala's remaining Qunari, or the Qunari that had ventured south to apprehend Viddasala. Nothing indicates that this is referring to some large force of warriors waiting to invade.

If the Qunari didn't plan the whole thing, why would even the epilogue mention that? And we're not talking about an unreliable narrator here - the narrator knows intimate details, like the fact that Inquisitor's and Sera's retirement is a ruse, or that Lavellan dreams of Solas.

It likely describes what Viddasala's Qunari did after she was killed. They simply retreated back to the north. No one under her took up her cause. Likely because she was the only one giving the orders.

That has been one of my main problems with your argument: you are assuming that Viddasala prevented its intended delivery. We don't have any proof of that, it isn't stated in-game.

Um... it was addressed to the Inquisition. The letter's contents pertained to the Inquisition.

Think about it: if she were really intercepting the messages, how come the Triumvirate can answer the letter from the Inquisition? If she only intercepted the answers, how come she has a copy of the Inquisition letter?

She wasn't focused on intercepting messages from the Triumvirate. Just letters from the Inquisition, because she didn't want them to inform the Triumvirate of her actions.

Viddasala was focused on intercepting Hissrad's messages. He and Leliana were sending letters to his superiors the whole time (as Josephine's letter proves). Viddasala likely had her own agents intercepting those. But she never accounted for Josephine having her own way of reaching the Triumvirate through her own channels.

So Josephine's letter got past Viddasala, reached the Triumvirate, exposed her to them, and then the Triumvirate sent their own letter back to the Inquisition along with Josephine's assuring them that they did not authorize any actions against the south. Viddasala was able to intercept that message going to the Inquisition, likely because the Triumvirate used the same channels as Hissrad was using.

Then when Viddasala read the letter she realized that she was screwed. So she angrily balled the letter up and prevented its delivery so that the Inquisition would just assume that the Triumvirate never replied to the demand. Thus leading to the Inquisition interpreting it as an act of war. She then told the others to speed up production of the gaatlok, in an attempt to salvage the operation.

[Heimdall]

Come to think of it... How exactly was Josephine able to send a message all the way across the continent and the Triumvirate send a reply back in the, what, two days of the Exalted Council?

[Dai Grepher]

Come to think of it... How exactly was Josephine able to send a message all the way across the continent and the Triumvirate send a reply back in the, what, two days of the Exalted Council?

My guess is that Josephine went through the Arigena. Her trading contacts would be much more secretive and crafty, and faster than spies since they have ships going every which way.

As for the amount of time that passes in Trespasser, that is of course hand-waved. BioWare had no consideration for how long it takes to do anything.

Josephine would have sent the letter upon the finding of the gaatlok barrel. So it basically comes down to how long that took. The reply back was intercepted and delivered to Viddasala. So that shouldn't have taken very long. Still, getting the message there would take a long time, unless Josephine contacted someone in Antiva or Rivain first and had them write the letter on her behalf.

[Shechinah]

Come to think of it... How exactly was Josephine able to send a message all the way across the continent and the Triumvirate send a reply back in the, what, two days of the Exalted Council?

The Triumvirate knows the certainty of the speed of messanger birds when they are fired across the continent with gaatlok.

... Poor Josephine wished she didn't, though.

[The Baconer]

The Qunari tried to start the war, not the Qunari.

That is a very Qunari way to approach the subject. I can appreciate it in some capacity, just not as a serious argument.

[scipiopublius]

Can it be argued that Viddasala was under the influence of Red Lyrium?  Comments were made by the Inquisitor and friends when stumbling on their stash of "magic items" that having Red Lyrium around is not a good thing.

[midnight tea]

Can it be argued that Viddasala was under the influence of Red Lyrium?  Comments were made by the Inquisitor and friends when stumbling on their stash of "magic items" that having Red Lyrium around is not a good thing.

 

Even in Trespasser it's noted (via note to Tallis) that anybody who stays too close RL for too long is becoming incoherent. Viddasaala might have been fanatically driven, but she's not incoherent.

[Dai Grepher]

The Qunari tried to start the war, not the Qunari.

Typical Beaconer.

That is a very Qunari way to approach the subject. I can appreciate it in some capacity, just not as a serious argument.

The Qunari known as Viddasala and the Qunari under her command tried to start a war. The Qunari leadership in Par Vollen did not try to start a war.

Not sure what you don't understand about that argument.

Can it be argued that Viddasala was under the influence of Red Lyrium?  Comments were made by the Inquisitor and friends when stumbling on their stash of "magic items" that having Red Lyrium around is not a good thing.

It's possible. I doubt Viddasala was around the red lyrium that much to begin with. She likely had someone else researching it.

I think a more likely situation would be that she was influenced by spirits in the Crossroads, but I don't think that was the case either.

I think this is still a good point however. The Qunari forbid the kinds of things Viddasala was doing, the reason being to ensure there is no chance of corruption or possession. The Triumvirate likely declared her Tal-Vashoth after completing their investigation, and perhaps they also blamed external forces such as those for at least some of her madness.

[KaiserShep]

If it was the Triumvirate, then it would mean a violation of the Llomeryn Accords. Which would mean a new Exalted March against Par Vollen. Big storyline implications.

 

 

Well, nothing's really stopping the writers from going in that direction. It might be especially interesting if this unfolds from the perspective of a character in Tevinter. I'd pay to see an Exalted March on Par Vollen. 

 

It likely describes what Viddasala's Qunari did after she was killed. They simply retreated back to the north. No one under her took up her cause. Likely because she was the only one giving the orders.

 

 

It's far more likely that the cause was abandoned because it became far too costly in the end. All that hard work and all that it led to was their forces being laid waste by both the Inquisitor and an ancient elf, with their leader disappearing into a mirror maze that they no longer had control over. 

[Almostfaceman]

Weekes clearly says that the Qunari were trying to invade. It wasn't some rogue faction. Anything else are details that don't matter. Saying "the Qunari" means whomever is running the Qunari. It's that simple. The point of Weekes' interview wasn't to get lost in the minutia.

[Dai Grepher]

Well, nothing's really stopping the writers from going in that direction. It might be especially interesting if this unfolds from the perspective of a character in Tevinter. I'd pay to see an Exalted March on Par Vollen.

I agree. Nothing's stopping them from going in that direction. I'm just arguing that if they are going in that direction, then let's see some proof that they are. From my assessment, Trespasser was the typical toe-in-the-water finger-in-the-wind test run. For all Weekes' bluster about "let's own it", Trespasser ended with no Exalted March on the horizon, and no proof that the Triumvirate tried to start any war. It even ends with the alliance still intact.

Personally, I think I would have preferred that the Triumvirate actually try something, but something logical. Dragon's Breath reeked of stupidity and disorganization. If that was authorized by the Triumvirate, then I would be sorely disappointed in them and would not expect anything substantial from them in any future games. It seems to me that the Triumvirate was taking a slow approach. They were going for subtle infiltration of the South with spies. They were playing the long game. Viddasala likely disapproved of that, and wanted something more immediate. I think she designed Dragon's Breath to force Par Vollen into a quicker approach to spreading the Qun.
 

It's far more likely that the cause was abandoned because it became far too costly in the end. All that hard work and all that it led to was their forces being laid waste by both the Inquisitor and an ancient elf, with their leader disappearing into a mirror maze that they no longer had control over.

Hmm, I thought of Bruce Lee's Enter the Dragon just now. Weird.

Yes, the Qunari under Viddasala likely abandoned the cause for many reasons, but I think the main reason is because they had no leader at that point. No one above Viddasala replaced her. No one beneath her took up the cause. I think it suggests that Viddasala was alone in this operation because it was hers and hers alone. The Qunari under her didn't even know the full scope of it. They were just doing whatever she told them to do. With her gone, they just shrugged their shoulders and went home.
 

Weekes clearly says that the Qunari were trying to invade.

See, this right here is the problem. Weekes didn't say the Qunari were trying to invade. He didn't say that at all. You and others are projecting your own ideas onto what Weekes actually said, which was that the Qunari we fought were actual Qunari, not Vashoth or Tal-Vashoth. This doesn't mean they were authorized to do what they did. This could just be another Act 2, like the Arishok and his men.
 

It wasn't some rogue faction.

I agree. It was a legitimate group of Qunari, but it was led by a rogue agent. Same as the Arishok leading the Qunari to attack Kirkwall, also done without authorization.
 

Anything else are details that don't matter.

Game facts don't matter?
 

Saying "the Qunari" means whomever is running the Qunari. It's that simple.

You are just inferring that. "The Qunari" could just refer to any Qunari, not necessarily the Triumvirate or even the Ariqun for that matter.
 

The point of Weekes' interview wasn't to get lost in the minutia.

Right, the point was to answer a question about Iron Bull. So any conclusion that the Triumvirate authorized anything is baseless speculation.

[Addictress]

I would like to add that the epilogue slide specifically chooses the verb "disavow."  The Qunari "disavowed" the Viddasala's actions. It is a denial of responsibility and leaning toward a political feel.