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[Ghost Gal]

The Qunari are such liars.

I know they don't consider "bas" people and thus they don't feel they should be honest or keep their word, but still. For a people legendary for their honor, and for people who consider themselves better than everyone else, you'd think they wouldn't be such lying, weasely back-stabbers.

[vertigomez]

The Qunari are such liars.

I know they don't consider "bas" people and thus they don't feel they should be honest or keep their word, but still. For a people legendary for their honor, and for people who consider themselves better than everyone else, you'd think they wouldn't be such lying, weasely back-stabbers.

Eh, it's like Sten said. The honor of the Qunari is what compels them to conquer all dem unruly bas.

[In Exile]

While I agree that a legit Qunari invasion is much more interesting, their depiction of that fact in the game still seems a little confused. What was the letter that was supposedly addressed to the Inquisition from the Salasari? Did the Viddasala forge that herself with the intention to deliver it in order to throw then off? Why include it at all, if it isn't supposed to be true?

 

More likely, she didn't send it. The plot was likely that the Qunari would throw the Inquisition off - but the organization was apparently so filled with spies that she didn't even need to bother. Remember, we stopped the plot at the last minute and really only because Solas himself became involved. There was likely no need for the denial, because were it not for Solas the Qunari plot goes off without a hitch.

[In Exile]

The Qunari are such liars.

I know they don't consider "bas" people and thus they don't feel they should be honest or keep their word, but still. For a people legendary for their honor, and for people who consider themselves better than everyone else, you'd think they wouldn't be such lying, weasely back-stabbers.

 

But, as Sten explains, their concept of "honour" is different. And more importantly, this kind of intellectual dishonesty is the fundamental essence of the Qun. It's how every one of their concepts works. Remember, this is a society which leads the Arishok to say that he lost no Qunari to the Tal-Vasoth using the No True Scotsman fallacy. 

[Hiemoth]

I thought the interview was extremely interesting, even if really no new information was revealed. For some reason, something that stuck to me was the comment about how when writing Cole, he didn't want to re-do Asunder as he thought the book was already there. While I agree with the specific example, I kind of realized that both the Mage/Templar and the Orlesian Civil War plots felt very similar in that the writers seemed to assume that naturally everyone had read the books and understood all of this so well that they really didn't need to establish anything.

 

I understand the complaint is somewhat unfair as according to Gaider, the plot had to be condensed immensily, but it is really weird how averse DAI was to really giving context or insight in to the major events of the game. With the Qunari invasion, at this point they're going to publish a trilogy about the Qunari Invasion and just have the PC of DA4 swoop in and force a peace treaty without actually explaining anything that happened to people who didn't read the trilogy.

[Hellion Rex]

The recent interview with Patrick Weekes pretty much confirmed that the Viddasala wasn't a rogue agent and that it was a Qunari operation.

 

Here's the transcript and video

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Spoiler

BF: How did the possibility of Iron Bull's death in Tresspasser come about?

PW: Okay, this one was tough. Because... The bad news on having a character die in the game, as a possibility means that you are inherently limiting how much they can ever appear in the future. You know. It's not a hard limition; we had Ash or Kaidan die in Mass Effect 1, and still have them as full squad mates in Mass Effect 3. So it's not like that's a hard line, but whatever you say 'hey this character can die if this happens in the game', it makes it a lot harder to bring them back in the future. So it was definitely something we thought long and hard about. That said, when we got to the Qunari, we kicked around different ways to do it. We said 'Oh, okay, maybe it's a rogue faction of the Qunari and they aren't really the real Qunari and Bull doesn't believe in them,' and every time... We tried to talk ourselves into that for a while, like, 'Oh Bull wouldn't do this, they're not the real Qunari, they're an offshoot,' and it just got so toothless. It got to a point where we were like 'No, really, who wants to play a game where you are fighting the offshoot of the offshoot of the offshoot.' We own this. The Qunari aren't being used anywhere but in our games. So if we're gonna say the Qunari are gonna start a war, let's have the Qunari start a war, and let's own it. And in that case, the only reasonable outcome was that if you hadn't gotten Iron Bull out of the Qun, it made no sense for him to do anything but turn on you. It's one of those things where, you know, I don't know if we would have done things differently if we had known 'Oh we definitely want to have the Qunari in the Trespasser DLC, and what does that do for Iron Bull?', if we had known that years and years ahead of time, if we would have changed Iron Bull's plot somewhere, had him start as a Tal'Vashoth, or something like that, but I really like that choice. I love that we gave you a choice, and that it didn't immediately have a white hat and a black hat on it. And that it was a choice that had teeth; I love those, because it was really interesting after Trespasser shipped, watching the reaction to those. Because there were many people who were surprised and very unhappy and said 'This shouldn't have happened, even though I made Bull loyal to the Qun, he still should have respected me and not turned on me,' and there were a few people who would say that, but everytime someone said that, everyone else would turn and look at them and go 'What did you think was going to happen? You did a plot and told this guy specifically to be loyal to the Qun, so yeah, when the Qunari come... You did a plot that told him to stay on their side,' so really, there was no other way for us to do that. And it certainly wasn't something I was happy about, it wasn't something Freddie [Prinze Jr] was happy about. You know, it's a wrenching thing, doing something that you know is going to lead to, fortunately at least the possible death of his character, rather than a definitive death of his character, but you know, it's a wrench doing that stuff. But I did that to the actors who played Tali in Mass Effect 3, I did it to the actor who did Mordin in Mass 3, you know, doing that to Freddie Prinze Jr here, it's never happy, but you know... In all these cases the actors looked at it and go 'Oh this is what's happening, this is the plot. Yeah, this is what my character would do,'. And if it makes sense that way, you just have to go with it.

 

So what are your thoughts now that this is confirmed?

Like others said, thought it was obvious. Qunari set it up so if they failed, they could deny having any involvement.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So what are your thoughts now that this is confirmed?

It's stupid. The Viddasala broke so many rules of the Qun that she would be Tal-Vashoth. But then this is from the guy who retconned the Qun and thought the Trespasser DLC was a satisfying conclusion for the Inquisitor and so I guess I shouldn't expect anything else. Even so, I'll still choose the alliance. I save hundreds of lives rather than half a dozen(of people I don't even like), get the most powerful navy and spy network on my side, and get to have Hissrad put down while fulfilling his wish to be defeated by a worthy opponent. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

But why did the Viddisala have the letter in her office then? Shouldn't it have come directly from the Arishok in Par Vollen? It was confusing because no companion comments on you finding it, so I wasn't sure if the implication was that it was crumpled because it was unfinished or because she had intercepted it and was angry that her government had disavowed her actions.

[The Baconer]

But why did the Viddisala have the letter in her office then? Should it have come directly from the Arishok in Par Vollen? It was confusing because no companion comments on you finding it, so I wasn't sure if the implication was that it was crumpled because it was unfinished or because she had intercepted it and was angry that her government had disavowed her actions.

 

Because it was probably a low-key way of telling her that she was on her own from that point onward. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

But why did the Viddisala have the letter in her office then? Should it have come directly from the Arishok in Par Vollen? It was confusing because no companion comments on you finding it, so I wasn't sure if the implication was that it was crumpled because it was unfinished or because she had intercepted it and was angry that her government had disavowed her actions.

I don't see how this isn't an option with her genuinely being off the reservation.

[Toasted Llama]

I think a sledgehammer to the face would've been less obvious than this.

[NKnight7]

I am excited to see what Bioware will do with the Qunari in any future DA games, that and Solas.

[Addictress]

Qunari VS. Solas.

Tevinter allies with the Qunari.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Tevinter allies with the Qunari.

That would be very interesting. In our history we've had situations where two superpowers who absolutely despise each other become temporary allies to defeat a common enemy.

[The Baconer]

No. Never, ever happening. Never.

[The Hierophant]

Obvious, based on the Qun's time honored "they're not qunari because they failed" logic.

[KaiserShep]

It's stupid. The Viddasala broke so many rules of the Qun that she would be Tal-Vashoth. But then this is from the guy who retconned the Qun and thought the Trespasser DLC was a satisfying conclusion for the Inquisitor and so I guess I shouldn't expect anything else. Even so, I'll still choose the alliance. I save hundreds of lives rather than half a dozen(of people I don't even like), get the most powerful navy and spy network on my side, and get to have Hissrad put down while fulfilling his wish to be defeated by a worthy opponent.

This assumes that the Qunari aren't willing to dispense with some of their official restrictions to meet certain objectives, but this certainly establishes that the Qunari were never ever a trustworthy faction. I didn't trust the Qunari since talking to Sten. They never struck me as honorable so much as they did a faction of pseudo-fundamentalists with an extreme ideology. It's also why I gladly let the Qunari on the dreadnought die.

[vertigomez]

Qunari VS. Solas.

Tevinter allies with the Qunari.

You know... that would actually be kind of awesomely unexpected. People have been gearing up for Tevinter versus Par Vollen, but I can imagine some serious trolololing if they become temporary frienemies just to stop ancient elves!!1/bas-saarebas!!1

And then, you know, turn on each other and rip each other's throats out in a fit of glorious violence. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:・ﾟ✧

[KaiserShep]

No. Never, ever happening. Never.

Yeah, even if the Qunari were willing to do this, I just don't see the Imperium even entertaining the idea, especially since the Qunari are just going to instantly go hostile once it's over anyway.

[vertigomez]

Yeah, even if the Qunari were willing to do this, I just don't see the Imperium even entertaining the idea, especially since the Qunari are just going to instantly go hostile once it's over anyway.

I could see it if they had the right leverage. Or... were desperate enough to escape Solas and his many elves that Tevinter just happens to have a lot of that are, um, curiously disenfranchised (hint: enslaaaaaved).

Think of the mayhem.

[Dai Grepher]

The recent interview with Patrick Weekes pretty much confirmed that the Viddasala wasn't a rogue agent and that it was a Qunari operation.

So what are your thoughts now that this is confirmed?

 

The question was never about if Viddasala was an official Qunari or not, the question was if she was authorized to carry out the actions she carried out in Trespasser.

 

Patrick Weekes did not confirm that the Viddasala's plan was authorized. He confirmed that she was Qunari, which was never in doubt.

First off, I have never written that Viddasala was not an official Qunari. I have always recognized the fact that she was a real Qunari who was dedicated to the Qun. My claim is that she was carrying out her own mission without the Triumvirate knowing about it or having ever authorized it.

 

Patrick Weekes did not contradict this.

 

Second, at the center of this issue is Weekes' use of the term "rogue faction". What he was saying here was that they first thought about making the qunari in Trespasser a rogue faction that was not part of the Qun at all. An off-shoot of an off-shoot of an off-shoot, were his words. Basically, Tal-Vashoth impersonating the Qunari. Or those who were not of the Qun, but claimed to be in order to establish their own version of the Qun. Like how the Imperial Chantry is an off-shoot of the Chantry.

 

What Patrick Weekes said in this interview is that to make them just an off-shoot took the teeth out of it, and I have always agreed with that view. When Trespasser was first advertised I was one of the many calling for it to feature REAL Qunari. Having it be some Tal-Vashoth would have been a weak storyline. I also called for a conflict with Hissrad, and I even wanted a reason for him to side with the Qunari against us.

 

However, I wanted a logical reason for him to side with the Qunari. Trespasser's reason was not logical because all evidence gathered in the game proves that Viddasala was a real Qunari who was acting without the authorization of the Triumvirate or even the Ariqun. She was even acting outside of her specified role. It would be no different from Leliana and Cullen hiding things from the Exalted Council without the Inquisitor's authorization. Leliana and Cullen are official members of the Inquisition, but if they act without orders to their own ends, then they are not accurately representing the Inquisition.

 

Patrick Weekes has only confirmed what everyone already knew, that Viddasala was an official Qunari, and Hissrad blindly followed her simply because she was an official Qunari. But he did not say that Viddasala was authorized by the Triumvirate to carry out her Dragon's Breath plan, and the plan was absurd on its face. The Triumvirate is going to start a massive world war and spread themselves thin when they can't even beat Tevinter? That's just laughable.

 

Now, with all that out of the way, this interview was basically Patrick Weekes' second chance to get the storyline about Hissrad's betrayal right, and he still failed. The first time he was asked about Hissrad's betrayal, he referred to letting the Chargers die as his motive for betraying the Inquisitor. Well, my Levellan had the Chargers in Trespasser, yet Iron Bull betrayed her anyway. Why? Because she didn't pursue the Qunari alliance. And this is where Weekes made strike two. In this interview he said that you basically told him to side with the Qunari, so why are you surprised when he sides with them against you? Well... because he wasn't told to side with the Qunari because I never did the quest. So he's still wrong about his own storyline.

 

Last point, Weekes also does not address the issue of Hissrad's illogical decision to follow Viddasala. Even if you want to believe that Viddasala was authorized by the Triumvirate, the letter from the Triumvirate disavowing Viddasala should have been Hissrad's "Well... sh!t" moment. So even if it was authorized and Hissrad was in on it (which he wasn't), this should have been the moment where he said to himself, "It was a good attempt, but it's failed, and now the Viddasala has been cut loose. I had better try to salvage the alliance by supporting the Triumvirate's move to wash their hands of this whole mess." And so Hissrad should have called Viddasala Tal-Vashoth and played it to the Inquisitor like, "Ah, see? I knew they weren't legit. We're still good though."

 

As to your interest in my position, thesuperdarkone2, if Weekes wants to state that the Triumvirate authorized Dragon's Breath, then I will accept that. It's just that it would make the Triumvirate incredibly stupid in that case, since the plan was feeble and laughable. It would portray the Qunari as weak and incompetent. So if Weekes wants to say that, fine, that would be his choice. However, he has not said this, and unless he does I prefer to believe that the Triumvirate (most especially the Arishok formerly known as Sten) is smarter than that.

[Dai Grepher]

But why did the Viddisala have the letter in her office then? Should it have come directly from the Arishok in Par Vollen? It was confusing because no companion comments on you finding it, so I wasn't sure if the implication was that it was crumpled because it was unfinished or because she had intercepted it and was angry that her government had disavowed her actions.

 

You are correct. If her leaders ordered her to carry out Dragon's Breath, and then disavowed knowledge of it to their enemy, then she would have no reason to be angry. She would have simply passed the letter on to the Inquisition to assist in the continued deception. The fact she intercepted a Triumvirate letter and denied its intended delivery is proof that she was not authorized in her actions.

[CoM Solaufein]

Of course the Qun sanction it, I never had any doubts about it.

I will certainly not trust any Qunari in any future games, I'll tell you that.

[Dai Grepher]

I trust the Qunari to be Qunari. But there is no evidence that the Triumvirate sanctioned Dragon's Breath.

[ModernAcademic]

This is disappointing. I thought the Qun valued truthfulness and despised liars, cheaters and cowardice. Hence why it's possible for a foreigner such as Hawke to earn their respect and avoid a city's takeover. Because the Qunari have shown to recognise authority from people outside the Qun when these criteria are met.

To lie about the operation reduces them to a fanatical group to whom truth is relative according to their own convenience.