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[Dai Grepher]

As for Hissrad, he was always a conflicted character but being lower on the pecking order, as someone loyal to the Qun he was still required to follow the orders of a superior.

Viddasala was not Hissrad's superior.
 

I could be wrong here but I believe the investigation of magic was a branch of the Ben-Hassrath, so she was the same division as him.

You are wrong. The Ben-Hassrath is split into three divisions. Viddasala and Hissrad were in separate divisions.
 

In any case she was definitely an officer whilst he was a mere agent. It is one of the weaknesses of the Qun that their members are meant to blindly follow orders.

Even in this case, Hissrad should have blindly followed the orders of the Triumvirate as stated in the letter found in the Darvaarad. or at the very least, the orders of his superior officers, which were to be a spy within the Inquisition.
 

Hissrad did that when you ordered him to sacrifice the Chargers, so why should he be any different when ordered by the Viddasala to kill you?

Because she is acting without orders, and I never told him to sacrifice the Chargers.
 

I've never doubted otherwise. A rogue or unauthorized agent would never have access to the vast amounts of ressources the Viddasala had. Hordes of Antaam, warriors, elite Ben-Hassrath enforcers, enough magical artifacts to make a Magister green with envy, a cabal of Saarebas powerful enough to open Eluvians en masse, spies across every court in southern Thedas and the Inquisition, enough Gaatlok to blow up all those aforementioned people, a massive fortress, and a freaking captive dragon? This isn't the work of an islolated operative, unless the Qun's leaders have simply no oversight on their prominent agents at all which seems highly unlikely.

All of this is explained. The antaam exist to provide protection while the Ben-Hassrath investigate the elvhen ruins. Viddasala was Ben-Hassrath, so of course she would have access to Ben-Hassrath forces. The magical artifacts she had were recovered from various locations, and these were stored at the Darvaarad, which is a legitimate holding site of dangerous magic. However, she also had things she was not authorized to study, such as red lyrium. Requesting use of saarebas is also not a suspicious action. It is done all the time. The spies were not hers. They were of the Questions branch. She merely took control of them through deception. It isn't known how much gaatlok she had, but it is known that she made it for herself at the Darvaarad because the Arigena would not let that much out of Par Vollen. The fortress was always there. So what if she had access to it? That means nothing. The dragon also means nothing, though some agents questioned her treatment of it.

Viddasala had no oversight regardless of what you believe. There were no other high ranking Qunari in Trespasser. A legitimate operation would have shown the Ariqun's presence, as well as the Arishok's.
 

Not only that, but the Viddasala's plan only reaches its full value if the Antaam is poised to take advantage of it by attacking south Thedas just as its power structures are in disarray.

And the antaam was not in position to do this, thus proving that her plan was nothing more than her own delusional attempt at greatness.
 

No. That the Viddasala overstepped the bounds of her authority does not mean that her original mission was not authorized by the Qun

And where did I write that it did mean that? She was not authorized because she was not authorized. There is no evidence whatsoever that the Triumvirate knew about any of her plans or actions.

That she stepped beyond her role is just evidence that she was the type to act without orders and defy her role.
 

it just means she went rogue. You're conflating two very important concepts: authorization of the mission, with authorization of her execution of the same.

Wrong. You're making things up again. I never wrote that her actions in violation of the Qun proved that the Triumvirate did not authorize Dragon's Breath. Them not authorizing Dragon's Breath is proved by other things. Viddasala's actions against the Qun just prove that she was the type to disobey orders, act without orders, keep secrets from her superiors, and act on her own against the Qun so long as it advanced her own agenda.
 

As to points like her fabricating her own explosives, that's just how clandestine missions work. IRL, part of being covert is not using stuff that is 100% and obviously traceable back to the government sponsoring your action.

It's gaatlok. How is that not traceable back to Par Vollen?
 

Weekes confirmed that the Viddasala was authorized by the Triumvirate by stating that she was Qunari.

I'm not seeing how anyone can say there's a meaningful difference there.

That makes no sense. He does not confirm that the Triumvirate authorized Viddasala simply because she was part of the Ben-Hassrath. She was a Qunari who was acting without orders, on her own.
 
The difference is that you can be part of an organization but still act on your own against the organization's interests. Like how Leliana and Cullen hide the Qunari body from the Council members even though you did not authorize them to do that.

[Giantdeathrobot]

And the antaam was not in position to do this, thus proving that her plan was nothing more than her own delusional attempt at greatness.
 
 

 

I don't agree with the rest either, but where is that stated? As I recall from the ending slides, the Qunari actually call off the Antaam after the plot is uncovered. 

[thats1evildude]

That can't be true, because the evidence of her being authorized is overwhelming. As to logic, well, people seem to confuse, as I say above, the difference between being authorized to execute a mission and being authorized to execute a mission by a particular means.

Well, you say that, but then there's this:

He does not confirm that the Triumvirate authorized Viddasala simply because she was part of the Ben-Hassrath. She was a Qunari who was acting without orders, on her own.

My advice to all of you: abandon this thread now. I have walked down this path with Dai Grepher before and he will not be swayed by any of your arguments. If Patrick Weekes grabbed him by the shoulders and screamed in his face "The Triuumverate knew what the Viddasala was doing, she was acting under their orders," he would still deny it.

[thesuperdarkone2]

 

My advice to all of you: abandon this thread now. I have walked down this path with Dai Grepher before and he will not be swayed by any of your arguments. If Patrick Weekes grabbed him by the shoulders and screamed in his face "The triuumverate knew what she was doing, she was acting under her orders," he would still deny it.

Considering Dai Grepher outright said he thinks his opinions are irrefutable fact, there is no arguing with that level of delusional.

 

 

It's actually funny and sad that he's still trying to deny it despite Weekes outright saying that the Viddasala wasn't rogue.

[In Exile]

My advice to all of you: abandon this thread now. I have walked down this path with Dai Grepher before and he will not be swayed by any of your arguments. If Patrick Weekes grabbed him by the shoulders and screamed in his face "The triuumverate knew what she was doing, she was acting under her orders," he would still deny it.

 

Oh, I am well aware that way lies madness. I'm not travelling down that path. 

[Robert Cousland]

By the end of DA4 I want the Qunari crippled, Dorian or Maevaris in charge of Tevinter, and Solas dead at my feet, I wont settle for anything less.

[KaiserShep]

By the end of DA4 I want the Qunari crippled, Dorian or Maevaris in charge of Tevinter, and Solas dead at my feet, I wont settle for anything less.

 

 

Wouldn't it be glorious? The Lucerni in power, the elven rebel with an arrow between the eyes, and hobbled oxmen. It makes this one feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

[Dai Grepher]

I don't agree with the rest either, but where is that stated? As I recall from the ending slides, the Qunari actually call off the Antaam after the plot is uncovered.

The ending slides do not say the antaam was called off from anywhere. It merely states that with Dragon's Breath crushed "the Qunari" returned to Par Vollen. That is referring to Viddasala's agents, not any supposed Qunari army waiting to invade somewhere. At best it would only apply to those Qunari sent to stop Viddasala after Josephine informed the Triumvirate of her actions.

In order to take the South, there would have to be dreadnoughts in the seas, troops on the ground, supply lines set up, bases of operation. Yet nothing like this was found anywhere in the South. There was zero action from Par Vollen in the way of warfare, to the point where they are able to hold to the alliance. If there had been a Qunari military presence in any southern land, do you really think the alliance would be continued?

My advice to all of you: abandon this thread now. I have walked down this path with Dai Grepher before and he will not be swayed by any of your arguments.

Wrong. I change my opinions to fit the facts. Post facts and I will agree with them.

If Patrick Weekes grabbed him by the shoulders and screamed in his face "The triuumverate knew what she was doing, she was acting under her orders," he would still deny it.

Wrong again. I already wrote in reply to thesuperdarkone2 that if Weekes says that the Triumvirate authorized Dragon's Breath, then I would believe him. I would also believe that his storyline is stupid and makes no sense, but I would believe him nonetheless.

Considering Dai Grepher outright said he thinks his opinions are irrefutable fact, there is no arguing with that level of delusional.

Lie.

It's actually funny and sad that he's still trying to deny it despite Weekes outright saying that the Viddasala wasn't rogue.

Weekes didn't say she wasn't rogue. You are lying. He said that it wasn't a rogue faction of Qunari. I never stated otherwise. My claim is and always has been that Viddasala was an official member of the Qunari who misused legitimate parts of the Ben-Hassrath and Antaam to forward her own personal agenda, and hid this from the Triumvirate until Josephine managed to get a letter to them.

That said, when we got to the Qunari, we kicked around different ways to do it. We said 'Oh, okay, maybe it's a rogue faction of the Qunari and they aren't really the real Qunari and Bull doesn't believe in them,' and every time... We tried to talk ourselves into that for a while, like, 'Oh Bull wouldn't do this, they're not the real Qunari, they're an offshoot,' and it just got so toothless. It got to a point where we were like 'No, really, who wants to play a game where you are fighting the offshoot of the offshoot of the offshoot.' We own this. The Qunari aren't being used anywhere but in our games. So if we're gonna say the Qunari are gonna start a war, let's have the Qunari start a war, and let's own it. - Patrick Weekes

Nowhere does he say Viddasala was acting under orders. Nowhere does he say the Triumvirate authorized anything. He merely said they were going to make the antagonists an unofficial faction of Qunari, but then decided to make them official Qunari. That fact was never in doubt. The question is if these official Qunari were under official orders or not.

I claim not, and you have provided no proof to indicate that they were.

[Xerrai]

So much for my optimism.

Initially I thought the Vidasalla as an agent gone rouge myself, but the appearance of the antaam alongside a rather large bombing plan made me think that perhaps she had a decent backing of other qunari who thought she was doing the right thing by the qun. As if there was a sect in the qunari that signaled the possible conflicting ideologies within qunari society.

 

I liked thinking that the Viddasala was "semi-authorized" to do what she did. That the Qunari as a people over the years now have somewhat dividing sects on how to interpret the qun (like on if they are obligated to conquer the south) and the Vidasalla was acting on what she thought was the 'legitimate' qun, and her subsequent death at the hands of Solas (who tot he qunari is likely known as a major magical menace) put the head of the qunari government into a throng of debates or something that eventually lead to them being more fervent in their fighting attempt against Tevinter. A shift in qunari interests, as it were.

 

But if it was downright intentional qunari battle planning then that is good too. A united qunari offensive can be just as foreboding as divided one--even if it seems simpler by comparison.

[In Exile]

Weekes didn't say she wasn't rogue. You are lying. He said that it wasn't a rogue faction of Qunari. I never stated otherwise. My claim is and always has been that Viddasala was an official member of the Qunari who misused legitimate parts of the Ben-Hassrath and Antaam to forward her own personal agenda, and hid this from the Triumvirate until Josephine managed to get a letter to them.

Nowhere does he say Viddasala was acting under orders. Nowhere does he say the Triumvirate authorized anything. He merely said they were going to make the antagonists an unofficial faction of Qunari, but then decided to make them official Qunari. That fact was never in doubt. The question is if these official Qunari were under official orders or not.

 

I'm genuinely impressed. This relies on such amazingly contorted logic, yet is said with such conviction, that it's almost art. Well, not really. It's actually nonsense (or argle-bargle - my new favourite word). But still, good on you. Let's walk through this Ouroboros circle you've set up. 

 

Vidassala is not part of a "rogue faction" of Qunari, but she's "not acting order orders", and, as you say, elsewhere, "she was acting on her own without authorization from the Triumvirate". This is argle-bargle - if she's not part of a rogue faction of the Qunari, the she's not rogue. If she's gone rogue, then she's part of a rogue faction - her faction.

 

As for what Weekes says, well:

 

"if we're gonna say the Qunari are gonna start a war, let's have the Qunari start a war"

[...]

You did a plot and told [the IB] specifically to be loyal to the Qun, so yeah, when the Qunari come... You did a plot that told him to stay on their side..."

 

Let's see how deep the rabbit hole is here. 

[thats1evildude]

I don't know what it says about the qunari that they would apparently allow hundreds of troops and spies across the continent to be led astray by a "rogue agent" acting unilaterally. You'd think they'd make some token effort to stop her, especially with all the forbidden magic she was experimenting with. Real breakdown in the chain of command there.

[Dai Grepher]

So much for my optimism.
Initially I thought the Vidasalla as an agent gone rouge myself, but the appearance of the antaam alongside a rather large bombing plan made me think that perhaps she had a decent backing of other qunari who thought she was doing the right thing by the qun. As if there was a sect in the qunari that signaled the possible conflicting ideologies within qunari society.

Please read what Patrick Weekes wrote. He didn't say Viddasala wasn't a rogue agent. He didn't say she was acting with authorization. He didn't say that the Triumvirate committed an act of war against the South. He merely said that the Qunari we fought in Trespasser were official Qunari. He did not described the circumstances under which we fought them.
 

I liked thinking that the Viddasala was "semi-authorized" to do what she did. That the Qunari as a people over the years now have somewhat dividing sects on how to interpret the qun (like on if they are obligated to conquer the south) and the Vidasalla was acting on what she thought was the 'legitimate' qun, and her subsequent death at the hands of Solas (who to the qunari is likely known as a major magical menace) put the head of the qunari government into a throng of debates or something that eventually lead to them being more fervent in their fighting attempt against Tevinter. A shift in qunari interests, as it were.

This is actually correct. Viddasala was acting on what she thought was right. But the Triumvirate thought differently. The Triumvirate actually trusted the Inquisition (in an alliance worldstate), and requested their involvement in various missions in the two year time-span.
 

But if it was downright intentional qunari battle planning then that is good too. A united qunari offensive can be just as foreboding as divided one--even if it seems simpler by comparison.

Except that it would make the Qunari seem like incompetent weaklings. If that's what Weekes wants to go with, that's up to him. But he has yet to say anything close to this being an official Qunari operation.
 

I'm genuinely impressed. This relies on such amazingly contorted logic, yet is said with such conviction, that it's almost art. Well, not really. It's actually nonsense (or argle-bargle - my new favourite word). But still, good on you.

I know you would love to make this all about me, but there's one important fact you're overlooking here...

Several other members of the BSN have liked my post and have agreed with me. So, are you saying all these other members are using contorted logic, or nonsense?

Midnight Bliss, Addictress, Hanako Ikezawa, ModernAcademic, Big I. Are these people "nonsensical" like me? Because we all believe the same thing.
 

Let's walk through this Ouroboros circle you've set up. 
 
Vidassala is not part of a "rogue faction" of Qunari, but she's "not acting order orders", and, as you say, elsewhere, "she was acting on her own without authorization from the Triumvirate". This is argle-bargle -

No it isn't. She is acting without orders. Those under her are not. Those under her are acting under her orders. They are fulfilling their role. Viddasala is going outside of her role. What is it you find so difficult to understand about this?
 

if she's not part of a rogue faction of the Qunari, the she's not rogue. If she's gone rogue, then she's part of a rogue faction - her faction.

Incorrect. You are the one with the logical disconnect. She doesn't need to be part of a rogue faction in order to go rogue herself.

Just as Leliana and Cullen don't need to be part of a rogue faction in order to go behind the Inquisitor's back and hide things from the Council without authorization.
 

As for what Weekes says, well:
 
"if we're gonna say the Qunari are gonna start a war, let's have the Qunari start a war"[/size]

[...]
You did a plot and told [the IB] specifically to be loyal to the Qun, so yeah, when the Qunari come... You did a plot that told him to stay on their side..."[/size]
 
Let's see how deep the rabbit hole is here.

Again, there is no contradiction between Weekes and myself on the subject of Viddasala and the Triumvirate's position.

Viddasala was Qunari. Those working for her were Qunari. Hissrad was Qunari. I never wrote otherwise.

So when the Qunari come, of course Weekes believes that Hissrad should side with the Qunari. His reason for believing so is crap, as I have pointed out elsewhere, but that is a separate issue.

As for the issue of real Qunari, of course Viddasala and her subordinates were real Qunari. Of course we fought real Qunari. But that does not automatically mean Viddasala was acting under orders from the Triumvirate. This is where you disconnect with logic. That Viddasala was Qunari does not mean she was authorized in her actions. Just as Leliana is Inquisition but was not authorized to hide the Qunari body from the Exalted Council.

Weekes never addressed Vidasala in the interview, so your argument about Viddasala being rogue or not is irrelevant.

We don't know what Weekes thinks of Viddasala specifically. Does he consider her rogue? Does he not? Doesn't matter. He can think she isn't rogue and also believe she was acting without orders, because this is the Qun we're talking about. If she thinks she is fulfilling the Qun by going around the Triumvirate, then that's reality. Or, he could see her and only her as rogue and it would not conflict with his statement about all the Qunari we actually fought in the game. Notice we never actually fight Viddasala.

Now, as for Weekes' opinion about Hissrad's choice of who to side with at the Darvaarad... well that's just garbage front to back. You could decline to tell him to side with the Qunari by not doing the Demands of the Qun quest, and the Chargers can be alive in Trespasser, yet Bull will still betray you. Even if you do the quest, telling him that they need to hold the hill at all costs isn't the same thing as telling him to side with the Qun. The Chargers were tasked with defending that position. They were obligated to do so. That has nothing to do with the Qun.
 

I don't know what it says about the qunari that they would apparently allow hundreds of troops and spies across the continent to be led astray by a "rogue agent" acting unilaterally.

1. Hundreds? Where did you get this number?

2. Regardless of what you think about Viddasala, she was the only high ranking Qunari in the DLC. So she was the only one commanding them. She was the only one taking action.

What this says about the Qunari is that they are not immune to betrayal and corruption either. The Triumvirate expected loyalty and obedience. They expected their subordinates to report to them openly and honestly, because they assumed that their punishments were enough to keep Qunari in line.
 

You'd think they'd make some token effort to stop her, especially with all the forbidden magic she was experimenting with. Real breakdown in the chain of command there.

They did make the effort, as soon as Josephine's letter informed them of the Viddasala's actions. Until that time, they had no idea Viddasala was taking action against the South.

[Reznore57]

The only thing I'm wondering about is what Par Vollen knew about the agent of Fen Harel business.

They send the Vidassala and it probably wasn't about peace talk what with her having a role about dealing with magical crap.

 

What the Vidassala tells you is "The South is loosing it ,what with the Breach , but we've learned the Inquisition is having dealing with the agents of Fen Harel.A bunch of looneys who wants to play with old elven magic and bring more chaos.We also know the agents of Fen'Harel who was part of the Inquisition , gave a magical orb to Cory causing the breach , helped the Inquisitor with the mark saving his life blablablabla..."

And she assumed the Inquisition was in the know , and possibly ally with those agents of Fen Harel.

 

So what I wonder about is did Par Vollen learned that too , hyperventilated and decided to invade the South in an hurry before the Breach number 2 with even more special effects happen on their screen.

Which would make sense.

Or they send Vidassala to blew up everyone , and on the way she learned about Fen Harel , which would make less sense but Qunari.

[Mistic]

Again, there is no contradiction between Weekes and myself on the subject of Viddasala and the Triumvirate's position.

Viddasala was Qunari. Those working for her were Qunari. Hissrad was Qunari. I never wrote otherwise.

So when the Qunari come, of course Weekes believes that Hissrad should side with the Qunari. His reason for believing so is crap, as I have pointed out elsewhere, but that is a separate issue.

 

As for the issue of real Qunari, of course Viddasala and her subordinates were real Qunari. Of course we fought real Qunari. But that does not automatically mean Viddasala was acting under orders from the Triumvirate. This is where you disconnect with logic. That Viddasala was Qunari does not mean she was authorized in her actions. Just as Leliana is Inquisition but was not authorized to hide the Qunari body from the Exalted Council.

 

Bear in mind that we are talking about a faction, the Qunari, that quickly brands those who disobey orders as Tal Vashoth  and doesn't consider them Qunari anymore. It's a distinction the writers know, because they invented it themselves. So when the writer says its the Qunari going to war, the term matters.

 

But more importantly: we are talking about the writers of a game that know very well the difference between rogue factions and the whole organization. Like when in In Hushed Whispers the inner circle of the Inquisition fears that Tevinter is attacking, only to find out soon enough that it's not really Tevinter, but a radical faction called the Venatori. Then devotes the rest of the game to hammer the idea that "Tevinter" and "Venatori" are two different things. The same could be said of Templars and Red Templars, although in their case is also visually obvious.

 

Weekes never addressed Vidasala in the interview, so your argument about Viddasala being rogue or not is irrelevant.

We don't know what Weekes thinks of Viddasala specifically. Does he consider her rogue? Does he not? Doesn't matter. He can think she isn't rogue and also believe she was acting without orders, because this is the Qun we're talking about. If she thinks she is fulfilling the Qun by going around the Triumvirate, then that's reality. Or, he could see her and only her as rogue and it would not conflict with his statement about all the Qunari we actually fought in the game. Notice we never actually fight Viddasala.

 

Actually, that he never considers singling out the Viddasala and/or her troops gives more credit to the theory this was a Par Vollen-approved mission all along, because the writer doesn't even entertain the idea that this could be anything but the official Qunari position.

[Medhia_Nox]

I don't know what it says about the qunari that they would apparently allow hundreds of troops and spies across the continent to be led astray by a "rogue agent" acting unilaterally. You'd think they'd make some token effort to stop her, especially with all the forbidden magic she was experimenting with. Real breakdown in the chain of command there.

 

 

Qunari do not fail. 

 

Viddisala failed.

 

Viddisala is not qunari.

 

The qunari don't have breakdown's of command.

 

Therefore no breakdown of command was suffered by the qunari.

 

The Qunari are a giant logic engine... and it's how the Geth should have been represented.  

[Dai Grepher]

The only thing I'm wondering about is what Par Vollen knew about the agent of Fen Harel business.
They send the Vidassala and it probably wasn't about peace talk what with her having a role about dealing with magical crap.

They knew nothing of it. If they had, they would have sent more than just Viddasala. And they would have consulted with Hissrad to see if the Inquisition was in league with the agent.
 

What the Vidassala tells you is "The South is loosing it ,what with the Breach , but we've learned the Inquisition is having dealing with the agents of Fen Harel.A bunch of looneys who wants to play with old elven magic and bring more chaos.We also know the agents of Fen'Harel who was part of the Inquisition , gave a magical orb to Cory causing the breach , helped the Inquisitor with the mark saving his life blablablabla..."

All of which could have been debunked by Hissrad. Viddasala was acting on her own conspiracy theory, and what she told the Inquisitor was a lie. The Triumvirate did not make any such decision when it saw the Breach. None of this could have possibly come about until after Solas reactivated the Crossroads at the earliest, and even then, the Triumvirate would have consulted with Hissrad, who would be able to confirm that Solas left the Inquisition and thus the Inquisitor had no involvement in Solas' schemes. The Triumvirate knew nothing of Fen'Harel or his agents. That is why it continued to trust the Inquisition to handle matters of magic within the two year time-span.
 

And she assumed the Inquisition was in the know , and possibly ally with those agents of Fen Harel.

Yes, she did assume that. Which shows you that she did not have access to Hissrad's reports. Meaning, she was not working with the Triumvirate or even the Ariqun and the other branches of the Ben-Hassrath.
 

So what I wonder about is did Par Vollen learned that too , hyperventilated and decided to invade the South in an hurry before the Breach number 2 with even more special effects happen on their screen.
Which would make sense.

No. It makes no sense to spread their forces thin when they can't even beat Tevinter. Any attack on the South would only lead to the rest of Thedas turning on the Qunari, and they lost the last time that happened, and they actually had the advantage back then. Besides, invasion would not prevent another Breach (#3 technically).
 

Or they send Vidassala to blew up everyone , and on the way she learned about Fen Harel , which would make less sense but Qunari.

I think the most likely explanation is that Viddasala was investigating the eluvians, which suddenly became active when Solas restored parts of the Crossroads. She found the elvhen temples and began an operation to collect any magical artifacts and destroy them, which is her role. This is also where the saarebas come in.

Eventually she learns about the the Veil, or at least what the spirits in the Vir Dirthara believe about how the Veil was made. After consulting with the nameless elf we learn about through the various journal notes, she gets the idea to teach the Saarebas how to strengthen the Veil. For this she needs lyrium. She consults with Jarren, the former templar, and learns as much as she can about lyrium and how to hold back magic. She has some Qunari mine the raw lyrium. They die. She learns the only way to get lyrium safely is to mine it with gaatlok.

She requests a high number of gaatlok barrels, stating that it is for the elvhen ruins. She can't say it is to mine lyrium because that goes well outside of her role. And she can't tell anyone above her that she plans to give lyrium to the saarebas. She is denied the request by the Arigena, who knows that destroying some ruins doesn't require that much gaatlok.

So Viddasala decides to start making her own using the dragon's venom. And this is where all the gaatlok came from.

Somewhere along the way, Solas began attacking them. So Viddasala called for reinforcements to protect the Ben-Hassrath while they destroy evil elvhen magic. This is where the extra Ben-Hassrath, and Antaam soldiers come in.

At some point she learned that the agent is Solas, and assumes he is working for Fen'Harel. Knowing that Solas was in the Inquisition, she assumes that the Inquisition is working with Solas as well. So she decides to take action against the South. She notices how much spare gaatlok she has, and then forms the plan for Dragon's Breath.
 

Bear in mind that we are talking about a faction, the Qunari, that quickly brands those who disobey orders as Tal Vashoth  and doesn't consider them Qunari anymore. It's a distinction the writers know, because they invented it themselves. So when the writer says its the Qunari going to war, the term matters.

Also bear in mind that Qunari will act outside of their role if they believe it fulfills the Demands of the Qun. The Arishok did this in DA2. Viddasala does it regardless of what you think she was by feeding lyrium to saarebas, as well as by bringing red lyrium into a Qunari stronghold.
 

But more importantly: we are talking about the writers of a game that know very well the difference between rogue factions and the whole organization. Like when in In Hushed Whispers the inner circle of the Inquisition fears that Tevinter is attacking, only to find out soon enough that it's not really Tevinter, but a radical faction called the Venatori. Then devotes the rest of the game to hammer the idea that "Tevinter" and "Venatori" are two different things. The same could be said of Templars and Red Templars, although in their case is also visually obvious.

The Venatori were Tevinter, even though Tevinter condemned their actions. It's the same case with Viddasala. She was Qunari, even though the Triumvirate had no knowledge of her actions against the South. The game also hammers the point that the Viddasala and the Triumvirate are two different things when you find the letter in the Darvaarad.
 

Actually, that he never considers singling out the Viddasala and/or her troops gives more credit to the theory this was a Par Vollen-approved mission all along, because the writer doesn't even entertain the idea that this could be anything but the official Qunari position.

That is a baseless assumption. The question asked of him was not about Viddasala or the Qunari. It was about Iron Bull's choice to turn on you in Trespasser. The distinction need not be mentioned. We fought official Qunari. That is a fact. The question is under what circumstances did we fight them, and the question was never about that.

[Serza]

You know a whole lot about things never mentioned in the games. How about some sources.

[Dai Grepher]

You know a whole lot about things never mentioned in the games. How about some sources.

For what specifically?

I gave my sources for most of that already. Jerran states that Viddasala was acting outside her role in mining lyrium with gaatlok and giving it to saarebas, Hissrad confirms this. The unnamed elf who wrote the journal entries confirms that Viddasala was interested in elven lore. The note in the Vir Dirthara confirms she was researching the Veil, its possible origin, and how to give saarebas the ability to duplicate the effect. The Spirit of Learning also confirms this. Viddasala says herself that she thought the Inquisition was working with the agent of Fen'Harel. What else do you want me to source?

[Serza]

You seem to claim that she was rogue, and not attempting to complete tasks given to her by any means neccessary.

 

I want a solid source on that.

[Milan92]

Wonderful.

 

Time to reclaim Par Vollen and Seheron and rid the world of these brainwashed fanatics.

[Iakus]

Qunari do not fail. 

 

Viddisala failed.

 

Viddisala is not qunari.

 

The qunari don't have breakdown's of command.

 

Therefore no breakdown of command was suffered by the qunari.

 

The Qunari are a giant logic engine... and it's how the Geth should have been represented.  

I have noticed certain parallels between the geth and Qunari.  

 

I mean they both consider themselves a single entity with each member a tiny fragment of a whole, without an individual identity...

[Wulfram]

Saving the Dreadnought isn't telling Iron Bull "to be specifically loyal to the Qun". I mean I don't disagree with the consequence for his character, but there are plenty of possible reasons to want to save the Dreadnought that have nothing to do with wanting him to be loyal to the Qun.

[Iakus]

On the chance that they fail the Viddasala's group would be thrown under the bus as a "Rogue group"

the Viddasala was operating under Alpha Protocol 

[Dai Grepher]

You seem to claim that she was rogue, and not attempting to complete tasks given to her by any means neccessary.

I want a solid source on that.

The letter found in the Darvaarad from the Triumvirate to the Inquisition. Viddasala intercepted it, read it, and angrily crumpled it up, preventing its intended delivery. The letter stated that the Triumvirate had no knowledge of Viddasala's actions and was sending troops to investigate. It reassured the Inquisition that they valued the alliance. This proves that Viddasala was acting without authorization. Otherwise she would have allowed it to be delivered to the Inquisition for deception purposes. This was also an act against the Triumvirate that could have caused the Inquisition to assume that Par Vollen did commit an act of war.

[9TailsFox]

It was dead obvious it was the Qunari. Varric even gave us a hint of how they will publicly disown failed events, with the past Arishok as a example. So its no surprise they would try to pin this on a rogue subgroup. And Bull wouldnt fight for no rogue Qun after you made him loyal to the actual Qun. DA4 is heading into a full war with the Qunari and I dont think it will be a choose Tevinter or Qunari thing I think it will be a protect Tevinter from the Qunari.

Well deny everything tactic will work for few times, but not long.