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[Dai Grepher]

So you are back to ignoring facts. Okay then.

Back to the broader point. Even if you want to ignore the fact that she deceived her questioning viddathari and Qunari followers, the point still remains that she was a priest and re-educator who had the ability to deceive her followers. So that answers the question of how she got them to cooperate with her.

Then there is the side point. Why are these followers questioning her orders if this is an official invasion? Shouldn't the Ariqun have already straightened this out with all agents involved so everyone knew their purpose?

[Almostfaceman]

So you are back to ignoring facts. Okay then.

Back to the broader point. Even if you want to ignore the fact that she deceived her questioning viddathari and Qunari followers, the point still remains that she was a priest and re-educator who had the ability to deceive her followers. So that answers the question of how she got them to cooperate with her.

Then there is the side point. Why are these followers questioning her orders if this is an official invasion? Shouldn't the Ariqun have already straightened this out with all agents involved so everyone knew their purpose?

 

Head canon underlined above. 

[Dai Grepher]

Actually you aren't. You think the Triumvirate should be hangin' with the homies on the front lines. Nothing I've said, ever, indicates that I think the Triumvirate should be hangin' with the homies on the front lines of the invasion.

Right, you just present the fanfiction idea and leave it unfinished because you can't come up with a logical conclusion. You call it an official invasion, yet can't explain why the opening attack is entrusted to a single agent who has her attention divided across several different aspects of the operation.

And here we have more head canon.

No, that's called a question. Clearly you have no answer. You think an invasion effort has no commanders or unit leaders.

[Almostfaceman]

You call it an official invasion, 

 

I didn't call it an official invasion, Epler and Weekes called it an official invasion. 

 

http://gdcvault.com/...ion-Trespasser 

 

Starting at 3:34. 

 

Then combine that with the OP, where Weekes tells us there's no rogue or offshoot operations in Trespasser. 

[Almostfaceman]

No, that's called a question. Clearly you have no answer. You think an invasion effort has no commanders or unit leaders.

 

It's a question, based on your head canon on how the Qunari should deploy and utilize their forces and how you think their forces are made up. 

[Dai Grepher]

I didn't call it an official invasion, Epler and Weekes called it an official invasion. 
 
http://gdcvault.com/...ion-Trespasser 
 
Starting at 3:34. 
 
Then combine that with the OP, where Weekes tells us there's no rogue or offshoot operations in Trespasser.

And now you're back to projecting your own ideas onto Weekes' statements.

I thought you wrote that you were done replying to this thread.

[Almostfaceman]

And now you're back to projecting your own ideas onto Weekes' statements.

I thought you wrote that you were done replying to this thread.

 

If by "projecting your own ideas"  you mean "putting my sources up for public scrutiny and going by the plain language in them to support my argument, which blows your argument out of the water," then you'd be right to say that.

 

I said I'm done, unless I'm bored. But you'd know that if you paid attention. 

[Giantdeathrobot]

The Darvaarad would be the logical spot, since that was where the Viddasala was working from.

But even if the Arishok was among some large fleet off the coast of Denerim or something, why wasn't this ever mentioned in the game? Where are all the lesser officers that would serve as commanders and unit leaders?

 

So because they're never seen or drawn attention to, they don't exist? Hot damn. I guess no one was stopping the Orlesian Wardens from entering Ferelden during the Fifth Blight, since the solders Loghain dispatched for such a purpose are barely mentioned in passing and we never actually see them. It's like Bioware is telling a story where not every single little detail needs to be spoonfed to the player. Weird.

[IllustriousT]

[In Exile]

Oh, so the Arishok and the rest of the members of the Triumvirate have to actually be there wherever the Qunari are carrying out an operation.

Yeah, that's crazy and doesn't make any sense.

That's how we know Normandy was an unauthorized invasion by a dissenting US army. FDR wasn't storming that Beach now was he?

[In Exile]

So because they're never seen or drawn attention to, they don't exist? Hot damn. I guess no one was stopping the Orlesian Wardens from entering Ferelden during the Fifth Blight, since the solders Loghain dispatched for such a purpose are barely mentioned in passing and we never actually see them. It's like Bioware is telling a story where not every single little detail needs to be spoonfed to the player. Weird.

You would imagine if this were true the qunari would just have a warship or two off the Sword Coast during the events of Trespasser which....

...Hey, wait a minute?

[Giantdeathrobot]

That's how we know Normandy was an unauthorized invasion by a dissenting US army. FDR wasn't storming that Beach now was he?

 

Didn't you know? The entire Eastern Front was an unsanctioned operation. Stalin was never actually on the frontlines, thus obviously he had no way to know what was going and there is no chance he authorized any of it. 

[Mistic]

Their armor in Trespasser was not full armor.

 

What does that video prove about Qunari armor?

 

-Doylist (and most likely) explanation: Bioware didn't have the resources to portray the Qunari as they wanted (we know it to be true in the case of the horns), so the Qunari seen in Sten's dream can't be taken as examples of what the Qunari military looks like, because not even Bioware knew it at the time.

 

-Watsonian (because fanon wants in-universe reasons) explanation: previous games hinted and DA:I confirmed that people in the Fade see very different things. Like the Fearlings in Here Lies the Abyss, which the Inquisitor and Hawke see as spiders but Cassandra as maggots and Sera as something even stranger. Not knowing any other Qunari but Sten, the Warden imagines Sten's companions as basically the same as him.

 

Also, even if we admit that the dream was an accurate representation of Sten's companions, nothing suggests they're wearing Qunari armor. In fact, it's contrary to the Qunari style canonized since DA2 and only mirrors the Southern armor seen in-game. If we go only for Watsonian explanations, it means they were wearing Southern armor (probably to keep a low profile in a foreign country) and that doesn't give us any clue about what the Qunari consider "full armor".

[Sifr]

So you are back to ignoring facts. Okay then.

 

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

 

A fact is something that can either be proven or an assessment based on evidence as presented, something that our side has repeatedly put forth. Whereas you have presented precious little, save your own opinions, nor provided adequate sources to back up the validity of them.

 

If you are so certain that we are "misinterpreting" the writers, pray tell, what was the intended meaning of all the sentences we are getting wrong? We've given you the quoted sources already, please feel free to disprove us at your own leisure by offering what you think they are "supposed" to mean?

[BansheeOwnage]

No, the burden of proof is on the side making the claim. Your claim is not supported by Weekes' statements. As for Trespasser, the game itself proves my side right.

Wow, it's really amazing - and scary - that people can come to completely opposite conclusions based on the same information.

 

Well I would think the Arishok would want to be there for an official invasion, don't you?

Depends what you mean by "there". There is no reason he'd be with Viddasala commanding a (relatively) small portion of the antaam, when he would be instead waiting on Viddasala's go ahead to launch his invasion with the entire antaam, as is his job.

 

I agree that no problem exists here though. The game was clear that Dragon's Breath wasn't authorized. Weekes and Epler confirm that.

As I've said before, Dragon's Breath is useless if it wasn't authorized. The whole point is that it would allow the Qunari to attack while the south is in complete disarray, similar to Corypheus' plan with Orlais. If it wasn't authorized, then they wouldn't be prepared to strike at the opportune moment, the south would recover its leadership, and then most likely launch an Exalted March against the Qun again, which would be annoying for the Qun.

[BansheeOwnage]

You call it an official invasion, yet can't explain why the opening attack is entrusted to a single agent who has her attention divided across several different aspects of the operation.

No, that's called a question. Clearly you have no answer. You think an invasion effort has no commanders or unit leaders.

Uh... that's how leaders work. It's a chain of command, which usually looks like a pyramid, which will slowly have fewer people at each level until there is one. Of course there will be only one agent who has her attention divided across several different aspects of the operation. She'll have another tier of agents who oversee each subset of the operation. Just like the Inquisitor, who has Josephine, Leliana, and Cullen reporting to them.

 

But oh no, the Inquisitor's attention is divided!  The Inquisition's goals are entrusted to a single person!

[midnight tea]

Wow, it's really amazing - and scary - that people can come to completely opposite conclusions based on the same information.

 

Isn't it?? I'm almost convinced at this point that we're talking with a Reptilian. Like, we can't really be from the same planet... right?

 

More seriously - I wonder what would happen when it will turn out that DA4 outright denies Grepher's claims. There will not only be an invasion, but Sten will approach PC and be like "It would all be different if Viddasala succeeded, now we are forced to defeat you in battle" or something like it? Or Weekes has done another interview where he explicitly stated what... well, what he pretty much explicitly stated already.

 

... Will we see accusations of a retcon?

[robertthebard]

I'm following your fanfiction to it's logical conclusion. You say the invasion was official. So where are all the officials?

I agree that no problem exists here though. The game was clear that Dragon's Breath wasn't authorized. Weekes and Epler confirm that.

Does the president have to be on the ground in a theater of War? Did Winston Churchill actually go to battlefields, or did he issue his orders from the relative security of his office. A leader, especially one this important, isn't required to be in the field at all. They may choose to be, or may want to be, such as the Arishok in DA 2, but they are not required to be there. Here's the thing, when you assign an underling a task, you choose them because you believe they are capable of carrying it out, and with the presumption that you won't have to hold their hand all the way through. This isn't fanfiction, this is based on links provided in the OP, and, ironically enough, by you, although they don't say what you're wishing they said when you provided them.

[Mistic]

Uh... that's how leaders work. It's a chain of command, which usually looks like a pyramid, which will slowly have fewer people at each level until there is one. Of course there will be only one agent who has her attention divided across several different aspects of the operation. She'll have another tier of agents who oversee each subset of the operation. Just like the Inquisitor, who has Josephine, Leliana, and Cullen reporting to them.

 

We can only conclude that all those War Table missions were carried out by rogue agents who deceived real Inquisition members.

 

Corypheus' accusations that scouts and saboteurs attacked his camps under the Inquisitor's orders are rubbish. Was the Inquisitor there, setting fire to the tents? No. And were those agents members of the inner circle? No. They were Leliana's agents, which, of course, means that she was acting on her own with a plan she herself created to save Thedas from evil magic, with no authorization from the Inquisitor

[BansheeOwnage]

We can only conclude that all those War Table missions were carried out by rogue agents who deceived real Inquisition members.

 

Corypheus' accusations that scouts and saboteurs attacked his camps under the Inquisitor's orders are rubbish. Was the Inquisitor there, setting fire to the tents? No. And were those agents members of the inner circle? No. They were Leliana's agents, which, of course, means that she was acting on her own with a plan she herself created to save Thedas from evil magic, with no authorization from the Inquisitor

Well, some of those agents were... rogues  

 

[Illyria]

How can this thread be over 50 pages long?

 

Weekes said it was offical.  Therefore it is offical.

[Dai Grepher]

So because they're never seen or drawn attention to, they don't exist? Hot damn.

You are reacting to this with emotion. Let's step back and look at this logically. I don't mind that we the players didn't get to see warships off the coasts. We weren't located near any coasts, except at the Darvaarad, which could have been far away near Par Vollen for all we know. So us not seeing them doesn't mean they weren't waiting off the shore of Ferelden, Orlais, Nevarra, and the Free Marches. However, the fact that it was never mentioned by anyone at the council and that no message was sent to the ambassadors from Orlais or Ferelden informing them of any invading ships indicates that there was no invasion from Par Vollen.

Don't you think this would have been brought up in the closing arguments? Cyril can be heard saying, "We stand on the brink of war with the Qunari". Teagan says, "Yes, because this Solas provoked them in the first place". So why wasn't it stated that reports from Denerim and Ostwick confirm Qunari dreadnought fleets positioned off the coasts of Ferelden and the Free Marches? Why wasn't an invading presence confirmed at this time? Then we have the epilogue, where it states the Viddasala was disavowed, and that the Qunari now apply the alliance to the Chantry. They even ask the Divine if she would like to help defeat Tevinter. This proves that there is no invasion, and there never was one planned to take place any time soon.

Keep in mind, I want there to be a war with the Qunari, because as long as the Qunari are attacking Ferelden, my Hero King Cousland can be there to smack them down at every attempt. It gives him a reason to be in Ferelden. It gives him a proper storyline. It fulfills an omen stated by Sten back in Origins about how he does not wish to meet the Hero in battle when the Qunari decide to invade. Of course they'll meet in battle. The Hero is King, and Arishok is the leader of the Antaam.

But the fact of the matter is, Trespasser ended with no war between Par Vollen and the South. No invasion attempt. Just one misguided agent and her sloppy attempt to start a war.

I guess no one was stopping the Orlesian Wardens from entering Ferelden during the Fifth Blight, since the solders Loghain dispatched for such a purpose are barely mentioned in passing and we never actually see them.

You just answered your own question. They were mentioned.

It's like Bioware is telling a story where not every single little detail needs to be spoonfed to the player. Weird.

This isn't a single small detail. It would be the main plot of the DLC. You think the difference between a clandestine operation and an official invasion effort is a small detail?

That's how we know Normandy was an unauthorized invasion by a dissenting US army. FDR wasn't storming that Beach now was he?

Turning to real world examples that have nothing to do with the discussion. Classic.

There were commanding officers on the beaches, weren't there? So where are all the Kithshok? Where are the Stens?

Also, your example does not apply. An invasion effort would see the Arishok's involvement, or at least his influence. Orders signed by him. Units being moved into place. Something. Instead there is nothing at all.

You would imagine if this were true the qunari would just have a warship or two off the Sword Coast during the events of Trespasser which....

...Hey, wait a minute?

Where is the "Sword Coast"? And when was any ship mentioned or seen in Trespasser?

Didn't you know? The entire Eastern Front was an unsanctioned operation. Stalin was never actually on the frontlines, thus obviously he had no way to know what was going and there is no chance he authorized any of it.

Stalin was not Qunari. You example is irrelevant.

What does that video prove about Qunari armor?

That it covers all parts of the body and that it is made of hard material, unlike the armor seen on some Shock Troopers in Trespasser. It also proves that fully armored Qunari in foreign lands does not automatically mean that it is war, as Iron Bull claims.

-Doylist (and most likely) explanation: Bioware didn't have the resources to portray the Qunari as they wanted (we know it to be true in the case of the horns), so the Qunari seen in Sten's dream can't be taken as examples of what the Qunari military looks like, because not even Bioware knew it at the time.

There were lighter armors, such as Alistair's or Jory's. There was also clothing. And if you want to use BioWare not knowing how to portray the Qunari at the time, why couldn't this apply to Iron Bull's claim about Qunari in full armor? Perhaps BioWare shrugged off his statement, rather than tried to make something of it in Trespasser. Why must we assume that BioWare purposely became inconsistent on what kind of armor warriors of the beresaad wear?

-Watsonian (because fanon wants in-universe reasons) explanation: previous games hinted and DA:I confirmed that people in the Fade see very different things. Like the Fearlings in Here Lies the Abyss, which the Inquisitor and Hawke see as spiders but Cassandra as maggots and Sera as something even stranger. Not knowing any other Qunari but Sten, the Warden imagines Sten's companions as basically the same as him.

That's not true though. Inquisition featured the Nightmare's realm. The Fearlings were of the Nightmare's essence. The Nightmare caused its Fearlings to take the forms of that which frightened the party members most. That is completely different from the nightmare worlds of each party companion in Origins. Those worlds were of each party member, and the demons in them took the forms of people that each individual party member knew. For example, one demon took the form of Goldanna, Alistair's half-sister, whom he had seen before in Denerim but had not spoken to personally yet. Another demon took the form of... what we might now presume to be Dorthea in Leliana's Fade world. Another took the form of Flemeth for Morrigan.

There's no way the Warden knew what Goldanna looked like before meeting her, yet she appeared as she looked in real life. Same with the Chantry mother that Leliana knew. Same with the various mages who were "dead" in Wynne's nightmare. And even in Morrigan's case, how did the Warden know that the demon was impersonating Flemeth before walking up to them to find out?

So no, the Qunari in Sten's dream were demons copying the memories Sten had of his fallen comrades, and they displayed this form to him and then to the Warden when he arrived.

Also, even if we admit that the dream was an accurate representation of Sten's companions, nothing suggests they're wearing Qunari armor.

It doesn't need to be Qunari armor. They are in full armor. Iron Bull did not specify that it needed to be Qunari armor, just full armor.

[ModernAcademic]

People have now resorted to drawing random comparisons between real life wars and videogame conflicts, ignoring both have entirely incomparable contexts. Not satisfied, they're nitpicking the guy's posts and applying a twisted logic when interpreting each and every line of what he said.

All this simply to prove he can't be right.


Not to prove him wrong. To prove he can't be right.



Wow. People can grow up in body, but remain forever the same inside their minds. Too bad I'm not a psychiatrist or the thread would make an excellent case study for a paper.

[Dai Grepher]

In fact, it's contrary to the Qunari style canonized since DA2 and only mirrors the Southern armor seen in-game. If we go only for Watsonian explanations, it means they were wearing Southern armor (probably to keep a low profile in a foreign country) and that doesn't give us any clue about what the Qunari consider "full armor".

The armor worn by Sten's comrades covered all parts of the body. That is as full as it gets. Yet this did not equate to war. So regardless of what the Qunari consider full enough to be full armor, the fullest armor possible does not mean war. Bull was just being colorful with the truth, it seems.

A fact is something that can either be proven or an assessment based on evidence as presented, something that our side has repeatedly put forth. Whereas you have presented precious little, save your own opinions, nor provided adequate sources to back up the validity of them.

And I would write that I have presented irrefutable facts and evidence, backed up by Weekes and Epler, and that your side has posted nothing but baseless speculation.

So how do we resolve this? Perhaps we should just clear the board and start over from the beginning, and just discuss one single issue at a time.

If you are so certain that we are "misinterpreting" the writers, pray tell, what was the intended meaning of all the sentences we are getting wrong?

Well I went over this already. I also remember posting something in reply to you asking if you went back to my post detailing all the relevant statements made in the conference video. Remember, you asked for the video because you wrote that it was the first you were reading about it, and then I posted it?

But if you want a quick answer to this question, I will reference a simple example from the OP's quote of the interview. The interview has Weekes saying that they tried to talk themselves into making this a rogue group, right? Weekes goes on to say that the idea was that these weren't the real Qunari, and Bull doesn't believe in them. So from this Weekes was saying that his definition of "rogue group" means those of the horned race who are not part of the Qun culture at all. Vashoth, or perhaps Tal-Vashoth. Of the Kossith race, but not followers of the Qun.

But those on your side have misinterpreted this to mean that because this isn't a group outside the Qun, that automatically means they were authorized in all of their actions. They claim that any action they take that is unauthorized makes them rogue by default.

What they get wrong, likely on purpose, is that real Qunari can act without authorization and still be real Qunari. I posted examples of this. Sten, Arishok, Tallis. The Viddasala can go around the Triumvirate and defy their wishes, and still be considered a member of real Qunari society. She only ceases to be a member of Qunari society if she is declared Tal-Vashoth, which can't happen in Trespasser because the Triumvirate was unaware of her actions and could not investigate her actions until after she was already dead.

So what Weekes was saying in the interview, and all he actually said, was that they were going to make this a group of kossith (the qunari race) outside the Qun, but since that felt toothless they changed this to involve real Qunari who believed in the Qun. That's it. He said nothing of whether those real Qunari were authorized to attack the South or not.

Your side is reading into Weekes' statements and putting their own meaning behind it.

Wow, it's really amazing - and scary - that people can come to completely opposite conclusions based on the same information.

Not really. Your side wants a Qunari war to be true so much that it disregards fact and logic. I however, while wanting the same thing to be true, also recognize what the truth actually is. I do not disregard facts and logic in favor of a preferred storyline.

Depends what you mean by "there". There is no reason he'd be with Viddasala commanding a (relatively) small portion of the antaam, when he would be instead waiting on Viddasala's go ahead to launch his invasion with the entire antaam, as is his job.

"There" as in anywhere. He wasn't in the elvhen ruins, where the path to the Halamshiral mirror was short. Viddasala ordered a shock trooper to wait in those passages until the time was right to invade the palace. Why wasn't the order at least from the Arishok? He also wasn't in the Darvaarad, another place where the mirror was close to the Halamshiral mirror. The Darvaarad was the base of operations. So he wasn't on the front lines, he wasn't at the command center. Nothing is said of any fleets or armies stationed anywhere near any southern nation. No orders from him found anywhere. No mention of him even. We explored the front lines, the side projects, and the operation's HQ. The Arishok was nowhere to be found. None of his leaders of lesser rank were seen either. No other Ben-Hassrath of Viddasala's level of rank were seen either. Wouldn't the leaders of Dangerous Action and Dangerous Questions be seen somewhere? Dangerous Action in the mines, Dangerous Questions in the Vir Dirthara perhaps?

No, the highest ranking Qunari we see is Viddasala, and that's it. Epler's statements at the conference confirm that she was the Qunari leader. That contradicts the Qun to have just one priest leading the opening attack of an invasion.

As I've said before, Dragon's Breath is useless if it wasn't authorized. The whole point is that it would allow the Qunari to attack while the south is in complete disarray, similar to Corypheus' plan with Orlais.

Exactly correct. Which is why it should be obvious to you that invasion wasn't actually the plan. Remember that invasion, sanctioned by the Qunari leaders, is the story that Viddasala told you. That means you have no reason to believe this was an invasion except for what Viddasala tells you to believe. And why would you believe anything she says? And if this were an invasion, why would she bother telling you? Why would she implicate the Qunari leaders in this?

It's because the true goal was not to assassinate southern leaders or pave the war for invasion. It was to commit an act of war against the South so that it would be provoked into declaring war against Par Vollen. That was Viddasala's goal all along. That is why she told you that it was planned years in advance and implied that the Qunari leaders decided it. So that even if you or your companions manage to return to Halamshiral, you might tell them that Par Vollen has declared war. Viddasala wanted a war, and she didn't care who opposed her, not even the members of the Triumvirate.

If it wasn't authorized, then they wouldn't be prepared to strike at the opportune moment, the south would recover its leadership, and then most likely launch an Exalted March against the Qun again, which would be annoying for the Qun.

That's exactly what Viddasala wanted. A world war. And we see in Trespasser that there was no invasion in the works. Par Vollen was not lying in wait for Viddasala to assassinate anyone. At the end of the DLC, Par Vollen does nothing but disavow her and reassure the Chantry that the alliance is still valued. They even request help in dealing with Tevinter. Viddasala lied to you. There was no assassination plot, no invasion plans, no "way of blades".

Uh... that's how leaders work. It's a chain of command, which usually looks like a pyramid, which will slowly have fewer people at each level until there is one.

Yeah, a chain of command. There was no chain of command in this case. There was only Viddasala. She was the only officer of any rank in the whole DLC. If this had been an official invasion, Viddasala would have been one officer of several, with the Ariqun above her.

Of course there will be only one agent who has her attention divided across several different aspects of the operation. She'll have another tier of agents who oversee each subset of the operation. Just like the Inquisitor, who has Josephine, Leliana, and Cullen reporting to them.

But Viddasala had no one of any rank overseeing anything. She had workers and a few soldiers here and there, and she oversaw everything. That isn't how the Qunari operate. They split everyone up into various roles. Having her lead the initial attack of the invasion while also having her give attention to mining lyrium, keeping the questioning Qunari in line, investigating the Vir Dirthara, and making gaatlok, is just plain foolish. How can you expect an operation to be successful when only one agent oversees all of it? That's like having Lace Harding handle all of Cullen's, Leliana's, and Josephine's duties by herself while also taking care of the Inquisitor's duties.

If this were an official invasion, we would have seen Kithshok or Stens or the Arishok commanding some beresaad units. We would have seen the Dangerous Actions priest overseeing the mining of lyrium. We would have seen the Dangerous Questions priest commanding spies in the Vir Dirthara. We would have seen the Viddasala only working out of the Daarvarad, analyzing certain magical artifacts and instructing the viddathari on what they must do. We also would have seen agents of the Arigena branch making lyrium potions and gaatlok. Workers, in non-combat roles that just look at us in bewilderment as we walk through, or run when soldiers show up to fight us.

But oh no, the Inquisitor's attention is divided! The Inquisition's goals are entrusted to a single person!

To act as if this is laughable means you wish to be irrational. Can we look at this logically? Of course Viddasala has multiple roles, the problem is that what she does in Trespasser are too many roles, and they are outside of her job description. She is to find, study, and stop magic. She is also to re-educate people. Her role is not to send out spies, or set up assassinations, or mine lyrium, or command soldiers to invade, or instruct unskilled viddathari in the creation of gaatlok. All those other things would be handled by different agents, some by different branches entirely.

[Dai Grepher]

More seriously - I wonder what would happen when it will turn out that DA4 outright denies Grepher's claims.

There will not only be an invasion, but Sten will approach PC and be like "It would all be different if Viddasala succeeded, now we are forced to defeat you in battle" or something like it? Or Weekes has done another interview when he explicitly stated what... well, what he pretty much explicitly stated already.

... Will we see accusations of a retcon?

That won't happen. Trespasser already proves there is no war between Par Vollen and the South. The only war with the Qunari we see will be between Par Vollen and Tevinter, as that will be the main location in the next game.

If the next game states it was authorized, or Weekes changes what he said about the game (as he has done in the past), then I will accept that as fact.

Again, I wanted to see an official invasion attempt. I want an Exalted March against the Qunari and Par Vollen. But me wanting it doesn't make it fact. Trespasser, Weekes, and Epler, all confirm that Dragon's Breath was Viddasala's idea, and neither were authorized by the Triumvirate. Of course, even if I didn't want a war between the Qunari and the South, I would still accept it as fact if it were fact.

The next game will likely show the Ariqun (or better yet, the Arishok) speaking with the (ex)Inquisitor about the matter and explaining what happened behind the scenes with Viddasala and what led her to jump off the deep end.

People have now resorted to drawing random comparisons between real life wars and videogame conflicts, ignoring both have entirely incomparable contexts. Not satisfied, they're nitpicking the guy's posts and applying a twisted logic when interpreting each and every line of what he said.

All this simply to prove he can't be right.

Not to prove him wrong. To prove he can't be right.

Wow. People can grow up in body, but remain forever the same inside their minds. Too bad I'm not a psychiatrist or the thread would make an excellent case study for a paper.

It is ridiculous to use real world examples yes, as is their attempt to twist my posts around. Thanks for seeing that.

As for trying to prove I can't be right, that is an acceptable tactic. If you can prove something impossible, you can safely rule it out. But they have yet to prove even their own theory likely.