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[Almostfaceman]

What amazes me about this thread is there are a few who condemn the fictional lack of freedoms under the Qun.  All the while these people themselves seem absolutely unwilling to accept the idea that someone could think differently, or have a different opinion, 

 

Well, there are no lack of freedoms here. Anyone is free to post any opinion within the topic and within forum standards. The opinions, however, are up for public scrutiny and they have to stand on evidence or lack thereof. 

 

So nobody's saying "You have a different opinion, so you're wrong." They're saying, "well what is the strength of your argument?" And anybody can have a strong or weak argument. 

[Illyria]

What amazes me about this thread is there are a few who condemn the fictional lack of freedoms under the Qun.  All the while these people themselves seem absolutely unwilling to accept the idea that someone could think differently, or have a different opinion, than they.  It's been 50+ pages of attempted reeducation for those who refuse to join the "official" consensus view of Viddasala.

 

If only the BSN had an administer qamek button for all those minority thinkers who just can't be reeducated.

 

Oh for -

 

People have the freedom to say whatever they like, just as others have the freedom to say what they like in return, and cite evidence to support their claims.

[robertthebard]

What amazes me about this thread is there are a few who condemn the fictional lack of freedoms under the Qun.  All the while these people themselves seem absolutely unwilling to accept the idea that someone could think differently, or have a different opinion, than they.  It's been 50+ pages of attempted reeducation for those who refuse to join the "official" consensus view of Viddasala.
 
If only the BSN had an administer qamek button for all those minority thinkers who just can't be reeducated.

Here's my take:

Present some solid evidence. If you present a video/transcript of an interview, be sure that your interpretation matches the intent of the person you're citing as evidence.

For example, the linked video with Epler in it; don't try to say "All of the Qunari are real, but they're being duped by the Viddasala". No where in that video, or in what we have from Weekes is this indicated. IF this is your head canon version of events, leave it at the door. This is a discussion of what actually transpired in Trespasser, not what you want to believe transpired. IF you're going to say "The Qunari always lead from the front", be prepared to provide canon proof of this. I have 3 examples of Qunari operations that don't have them leading from the front: Sten in Origins, The Arishok in DA 2 and Tallis also in DA 2. I could expand on that with IB in the Storm Coast, since he seems to be large and in charge there, and he's not a member of the ruling body.

IF you provide evidence like this, expect it to be picked apart by people that didn't go in with a concrete head canon of how the Qunari work, or, upon seeing what's available if they did, being flexible enough to admit "there's more going on here than I thought". You are free to post whatever you like, that's not permission, that's an affirmation that no one in this thread can say otherwise. However, if people disagree, they're going to, possibly, say so.

[Tatar Foras]

Lol 53 pages of this, seriously though where are the mods? This argument was finished quite some time ago, I admit I find this all very amusing but this thread should've been locked by now and it just seems like certain people are arguing for the sake of arguing. 

 

It's a shame that none of the devs or Weekes himself are here to put this argument to rest. 

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[QueenCrow]

I get it.  Anyone is welcome to state their opinion.  With freedom to state one's opinion comes the freedom to be intolerant of opinions that differ from the "official" opinion. That seems Qun-like to me.  

 

 

P.S.  @robertthebard  I agree with you.  I submitted my evidentiary support about twenty pages ago for the idea that rogue Viddasala was intentionally planted in game in order to give rise in the kind of speculation that keeps many of us interested.  A few were willing to entertain logical speculation and fictional possibilities and that was fun and engaging.  Others, well, they reserve the right to be right and there is no room for variance in perception. Typically, their arguments fall to ad hominem.  

 

 

 

[Giantdeathrobot]

What amazes me about this thread is there are a few who condemn the fictional lack of freedoms under the Qun.  All the while these people themselves seem absolutely unwilling to accept the idea that someone could think differently, or have a different opinion, than they.  It's been 50+ pages of attempted reeducation for those who refuse to join the "official" consensus view of Viddasala.

 

If only the BSN had an administer qamek button for all those minority thinkers who just can't be reeducated.

 

Yes, how dare people disagree with an interpretation that has little grounds in the text and was basically denied by the lead writer of Iron Bull, Trespasser, and now Dragon Age. Clearly a conspiracy is at hand.

 

It surely cannot be because Dai's theories rely on incredibly selective interpretation of events, all in the name of trying to show people that ''his Qunari wouldn't do that''. When they did. Explicitely. Opinions based on headcanon and wishful thinking don't count for much against those based on the text and the author,s own words.

[AlanC9]

I'm still waiting for an explanation of that letter.

Or is it buried somewhere in this thread?

[robertthebard]

I'm still waiting for an explanation of that letter.

Me too, especially all the notes in Qunlat on them. I even postulated that it could be a forgery by Viddasala. It would, however, be quite ironic if they said: Keep doing what you're doing, but we have to disavow you to the Inquisition.

[AlanC9]

Oh, sure, Bio could definitely go with that interpretation if they wanted to make it so the Viddasala really was carrying out official policy. But it's hard to see that as the design intent when Trespasser was written. What's that Codex entry there to do?

[Reznore57]

Well back when playing Trespasser for the first time , honestly some things looked fishy with the Vidassala.

There's the note to the Inquisition.Notes about workers wondering if they are following the Qun or what.

The Templar Qunari convert says Vidassala is gone off the deep end.

Their use of Saarebas , they want to give them lyrium and drown them in magic , to reinforce the veil ...which Vidassala notes "Those of the Qun since birth do not understand why we risk using saarebas"

Even the Vidassala being in charge of an invasion is weird , if you check her supposed role in the Qun : "the Viddasala, or "one who converts purpose," handles the conversion of foreigners, the reeducation of Qunari dissidents, and the collection and quarantine of magic."....makes sense for her to act after say Dragon's Breath would have been done not sure bombing the heads of the state = converting foreigners.

Collection and quarantine of magic makes sense with what she was doing at the Darvaarad , her attacking the Inquisitor because he has the Mark as well...but again launching an invasion on the South because there's a problem of misuse of magic , is a bit streching the Collection and quarantine of magic role.

 

There's also the Gaatlok http://dragonage.wik...for_New_Workers) the Qunari at the Darvaarad were creating on the fly because Gaatlok takes a very long time to make , and they didn't have the ingredients , and didn't prepare.So they had to trap some dragon and just do whatever.

 

So basically you have workers who wonders what the hell the Vidassala is doing suddenly mining lyrium and feeding Saarebas.You have workers who wonders what the hell is going on with capturing a dragon to create Gaatlok.

 

It feels like the Vidassala made stuff up when she was working at the Darvaarad , because she wasn't send with gaatlok down south .

Of course she says "The moment we saw the Breach we knew we would invade."...

 

Now my feeling back then was : Vidassla was send in the south to create a Darvaarad , a place to study and quarantine magic related to the Breach because the Qunari are having vapors .

During her study she finds out about Fen Harel , agents of Fen Harel related to the Inquisition , the whole fiasco with Cory getting the foci, the Eluvians etc...Then she also find out Fen Harel and his agents wants to drop down the veil.And she panics , so the Qunari starts to mine lyrium and first die , then figure throwing dynamite at it will do.Even if throwing explosive in a Thaig is suicidal.

This is obviously rushed to death.And I assume the feeding Saarebas lyrium is rushed to death as well , and the Qunari weren't sure what would happen.(Like the big Saarebas loosing it and invoking lots of demons...This is not a demand of the Qun for sure.)

 

Anyway at this point you have to wonder what informations they got up in Par Vollen ,and how much leeway the Vidassala was given .

She also says the South will get a violent invasion with the "gentle path" failing , you'd also think Par Vollen would be prepared for that violent invasion in case of failure...

But at the end of Trespasser...there is no Qunari war on the South beyond the Vidassala failed attack on the council.

The Qunari go back to only fighting and trying to invade Tevinter , which again is old news , they have been doing that for 300 years now.

I know the game wants me to take it seriously because the game says "This time , I tell you this is serious."(also remember you know this is serious invasion because the Qunari will put on serious armor , and all those time they are failing at taking Tevinter , Seheron and the South , is just because they aren't taking it seriously obviously.And not taking things seriously , wasting man and ressources is again a well known demands of the Qun .And absolutely not the Qunari failing again and again.)

But that's why I keep telling eventually one day  when they feel like it , the Qunari will invade the South because the Qunari invasion on the South we should all fear is beginning to sound like a running gag.

[Mistic]

The Qunari go back to only fighting and trying to invade Tevinter , which again is old news , they have been doing that for 300 years now.

I know the game wants me to take it seriously because the game says "This time , I tell you this is serious."(also remember you know this is serious invasion because the Qunari will put on serious armor , and all those time they are failing at taking Tevinter , Seheron and the South , is just because they aren't taking it seriously obviously.And not taking things seriously , wasting man and ressources is again a well known demands of the Qun .And absolutely not the Qunari failing again and again.)

 

It feels like a joke, but since DA:O every game and even other materials have repeated that Seheron is just a secondary front and that once they get serious, Thedas will know another Qunari War, with good chances that the Qunari will win.

 

I hope the next game will address the stark difference between those claims and reality, or put Qunari strategy until that moment into doubt. I mean, at least now they have the excuse of a new Arishok saying "my predecessors were morons, this is how we do a real invasion plan" to cover up previous failures. WoT2 says that Sten didn't agree with the Qunari strategy for Seheron and Tevinter, and now that he's in charge I can buy a change in their goals and tactics.

[Reznore57]

It feels like a joke, but since DA:O every game and even other materials have repeated that Seheron is just a secondary front and that once they get serious, Thedas will know another Qunari War, with good chances that the Qunari will win.

 

I hope the next game will address the stark difference between those claims and reality, or put Qunari strategy until that moment into doubt. I mean, at least now they have the excuse of a new Arishok saying "my predecessors were morons, this is how we do a real invasion plan" to cover up previous failures. WoT2 says that Sten didn't agree with the Qunari strategy for Seheron and Tevinter, and now that he's in charge I can buy a change in their goals and tactics.

 

Well in some epilogues in Trespasser , the Qunari can ask the Southern Chantry help in defeating Tevinter, at least that's what the rumors says.

This gives me a "Not sure if serious ..." moment.

Hey the South could you please help us get a foothold in the South so we can later invade the South.

 

"Of course we have no plan of invading!No our current Arishok didn't tell your hero of Ferelden the Qunari were planning on invading!

And no the ancient Arishok didn't say in front of all the  nobles in Kirkwall "We will return".What do you mean you can even read that in one of the novel of the famous Varric Tethras.

And what one of our top Ben Hassrath spy also told the Inquisitor and everyone around the Qunari plan on invading...

Of course we take the Llomerryn accord seriously , and no the current Arishok never said it wasn't the case  to the King of Ferelden.

 

Anyway we will never speak of this again."

[Mistic]

Well in some epilogues in Trespasser , the Qunari can ask the Southern Chantry help in defeating Tevinter, at least that's what the rumors says.

This gives me a "Not sure if serious ..." moment.

Hey the South could you please help us get a foothold in the South so we can later invade the South.

 

According to WoT2, Sten was one of the most unorthodox and political savvy soldiers of the Qunari army. Our Sten.

 

Let that sink in for a moment.

 

I can definitely see him trying to ask the South for help with that unflexible-flexible train of thought of his

 

"Why don't they help? I did what the Warden did. They asked for help, they united against a common enemy. We hate Tevinter, they hate Tevinter. It's the same. So why doesn't it work with us?"

"Arishok, maybe it's because the Viddasala tried to murder them".

"Nonsense. Other people tried to murder the Warden and they still joined them. To think the same rule won't apply here is beyond understanding".

"Maybe we missed something?"

"I don't... Yes! Yes, I see it. I should have asked them personally after doing several menial and meaningless quests to earn their gratitude. And then pass a persuasion check".

"Really?".

"It worked with the Warden".

[Melbella]

Now my feeling back then was : Vidassla was send in the south to create a Darvaarad ,

Do we know where the Darvaarad is? It could be in Par Vollen for all we know, or across the sea. It could be anywhere since we only got there through the mirrors. Just like we don't know where exactly any of the other locations we visited are actually located. Too bad no one noticed the stars shining in the sky at the Darvaarad (either to recognize them or not recognize them) but I think everyone was more worried about the Inquisitor's hand about to explode at that point.

[midnight tea]

How can this thread be over 50 pages long?

 

Weekes said it was offical.  Therefore it is offical.

 

Oh you know how it is...

 

I mean, if there exist conspiracy theorists who believe that the Earth is flat, I'm entirely not surprised that threads like this exist for something so minor.

[Dai Grepher]

Bull betrayed the Inquisitor because Dragon's Breath was offical.

Proof? He may have turned on the Inquisitor because he didn't want to risk being declared Tal-Vashoth, or he realized that those they were fighting were real Qunari, in which case he is forbidden to let them die even if Viddasala isn't authorized and they are being misled.

It's called plausible deniability.  If the plan worked then the Qunari invade and the south falls to the Qun.  If it fails then the Qunari deny all knowledge of her, and her plan.

Huh? The point you were replying to was about Viddasala having to convince those under her to obey her orders. This has nothing to do with the Triumvirate.

Ah, so this was about Bull's colourful remark. Yes, I agree it was an exaggeration (even more likely since it happens in a banter with Dorian, the Tevinter). It would be like saying "if Americans come with tanks, you know it's war"... and then notice that it was just a delivery to a perfectly legal American base in an allied country.
 
On the other hand, that means that the same as you can find Qunari warriors in full armor not attacking, you can also find those in light armor invading, as in Kirkwall. The Arishok didn't stop his attack just because his warriors were lightly armored. So that means that armor can't be counted as evidence for or against the Qunari in Tresspasser being part of an invasion plan.

Cool.

Nope. I think DA2's Qunari can prove my point. Here's why. Those Qunari were not sent there to invade Kirkwall or any other part of the South. The Arishok chose to misuse them to take Kirkwall. Meaning, they were not authorized to engage in warfare (same as Viddasala was not authorized). So when they attacked, they could only use what was available to them, which was nothing but their common vitaar. With Dragon's Breath however, your side is claiming that it was an official invasion attempt. Which means the Triumvirate should have prepared them with full armor. And of course I don't base that estimate on Bull's random comment. I base it on the estimate that they would logically give their invading forces the best means of successfully invading.

You keep using that as evidence, yet the explanation of "plausible deniability" covers it too in all worldstates.

But then why wasn't it delivered to the target they wished to deceive? Josephine clearly stated in her letter that they demanded an explanation and that the attacks cease. Failure to do this would mean the South would interpret it as an act of war. Strong words for Josephine, so you know she meant it. The Triumvirate, if it wished to plausibly deny this, would want their reply letter to reach Josephine and assure her that they had no knowledge of these attacks and that they were taking all measures to make sure the attacks would stop. So then why did Viddasala ball up the reply rather than pass it on as intended? Why did she go on to tell the Inquisitor that Par Vollen would now take the way of blades?

I think you know the answer to that. She wanted to start a war. That was her goal, not the Triumvirate's.

Two words: plausible. deniability.

If the plan had Viddasala as the only agent so that it could be denied if unsuccessful, then why did Viddasala tell you directly that the Qunari leadership decided that course of action and would now invade by force? She outright tried to implicate the Triumvirate, thus contradicting their ability to plausibly deny the operation.

Also, did they want Dragon's Breath to work or not? If they really wanted it to work, they would have assigned more agents to it in order to ensure it runs smoothly.

Another thing, if Solas showed up and started messing up their operation before it could start, why wouldn't they abort the plan until Solas was taken care of?

As for your second paragraph: are you Weekes? Or Epler? Since you're neither I'll take their word above yours. They created Thedas and the Qunari. I think they might know one or two things more than you. It's just a hunch, though.

Fine, take Epler's word for it. He called her the Qunari leader. Singular. She was the only leader of the Qunari in Trespasser. I'm taking his word for it too.

For example, the linked video with Epler in it; don't try to say "All of the Qunari are real, but they're being duped by the Viddasala". No where in that video, or in what we have from Weekes is this indicated.

I didn't write that Epler's statements proved that particular point. I wrote that it proved Viddasala was the only leader of those Qunari.

Also, Weekes' statements do not refer to Viddasala. Which I also pointed out.

IF this is your head canon version of events, leave it at the door. This is a discussion of what actually transpired in Trespasser, not what you want to believe transpired.

Funny, didn't you speculate that the Qunlat on the letter Viddasala balled up possibly told her to keep up the work on Dragon's Breath? How is that not your head canon?

IF you're going to say "The Qunari always lead from the front", be prepared to provide canon proof of this.

I didn't write always, just that this was what they usually do. An invasion would be a logical time to employ such a tactic, since an invasion would seem pretty important. The link I posted of Sten talking to Zevran states that the Kithshok did not close themselves off within their fortifications but rather handled trade at the ports. This proves that at he very least, the unit leaders or commanders position themselves at the front.

I have 3 examples of Qunari operations that don't have them leading from the front: Sten in Origins,

Sten led his men. The Arishok sent them to merely answer a question. That the Arishok did not go himself means nothing. He had other duties to fulfill, such as battling Tevinter.

[Dai Grepher]

The Arishok in DA 2

The Arishok lost the tome, so he was the one to lead the hunt for it. How does that example support you?

and Tallis also in DA 2.

Tallis wasn't authorized, and she's not of the antaam.

I could expand on that with IB in the Storm Coast, since he seems to be large and in charge there, and he's not a member of the ruling body.

Hissrad is an agent not of the antaam.

I'm still waiting for an explanation of that letter.

Or is it buried somewhere in this thread?

It's buried. Their "collective" theory I guess, is that the letter was subterfuge, meant to trick Josephine into thinking Par Vollen did not authorize any actions against the South. They also believe the reason why Viddasala balled it up was because she was frustrated about the Inquisition's meddling, and she took it out on that reply letter. Also, the reason she didn't send the reply to Josephine, who they were allegedly trying to trick, is because the Triumvirate actually sent another letter to Jospehine saying the same thing. See, Viddasala got a copy of their reply letter, with some Qunlat at the top instructing her to keep going with Dragon's Breath (even though the Inquisition knowing about it meant it had already failed). The copy of the reply was to ensure that Viddasala knew what the Triumvirate wrote to Josephine.

As for why Viddasala went on to tell the Inquisition that Par Vollen would invade, they haven't come up with an excuse for that one yet.

Me too, especially all the notes in Qunlat on them. I even postulated that it could be a forgery by Viddasala. It would, however, be quite ironic if they said: Keep doing what you're doing, but we have to disavow you to the Inquisition.

Ah ha, and yet you accuse my side of posting headcanon.

You are claiming that BioWare wrote a message we are never given the chance to decipher. A message that would reveal actual present storyline, and that instead they gave us common tongue words written on a reply that was supposed to be seen as subterfuge by the players but stated that the Triumvirate knew nothing of Viddasala's actions.

You don't see anything wrong with this belief of yours? That makes sense to you, that BioWare wrote the opposite of what we're supposed to believe, and wrote the truth in a language we aren't allowed to read or translate?

Collection and quarantine of magic makes sense with what she was doing at the Darvaarad , her attacking the Inquisitor because he has the Mark as well...but again launching an invasion on the South because there's a problem of misuse of magic , is a bit streching the Collection and quarantine of magic role.

Agreed. She also brought in red lyrium, which the Triumvirate worked with the Inquisition to prevent.

There's also the Gaatlok http://dragonage.wik...for_New_Workers) the Qunari at the Darvaarad were creating on the fly because Gaatlok takes a very long time to make , and they didn't have the ingredients , and didn't prepare.So they had to trap some dragon and just do whatever.

And the workers were unskilled. The message shows that someone keeps messing up and filling the complex with toxic gas. According to the Qun, the Arigena laborers should have been working on creating the gaatlok.

It feels like the Vidassala made stuff up when she was working at the Darvaarad , because she wasn't send with gaatlok down south .
Of course she says "The moment we saw the Breach we knew we would invade."...

Yep. And yet she doesn't have the gaatlok she needs. Hissrad/Bull confirms that the Arigena has the authority to let gaatlok out of Par Vollen or not. Then we find that Viddasala was making her own, because she couldn't get enough from Par Vollen. Had this been an invasion, she would have had all she needed because it would have been planned for.

I mean, at least now they have the excuse of a new Arishok saying "my predecessors were morons, this is how we do a real invasion plan" to cover up previous failures. WoT2 says that Sten didn't agree with the Qunari strategy for Seheron and Tevinter, and now that he's in charge I can buy a change in their goals and tactics.

Yes, hopefully our Arishok will be strategic and cunning. But then again, isn't it possible that he died in Lothering, or never got his sword back?

Do we know where the Darvaarad is? It could be in Par Vollen for all we know, or across the sea. It could be anywhere since we only got there through the mirrors.

It was on an island, for sure. There is ocean all around it. I estimate that it was east of Halamshiral, but also far north. We leave Halamshiral at night, and it is night at the Darvaarad. We leave the Darvaarad and it is almost sunset in the final elvhen ruins. So the Darvaarad is likely on one of the smaller islands of Seheron.

Ya know... now that I think about it, this is probably how Viddasala was able to trick the Triumvirate. They thought she was on Seheron the whole time, so why would they ever suspect she was doing anything other than studying magic at the Darvaarad? Whenever they needed to reach her, they could always just find her at the Darvaarad. Traveling back to the island would be easy for her, but the Triumvirate knew nothing of the eluvians. That's why they write that they are unaware of any actions in the South.

[AlanC9]

Anyone else losing track of who's on what side of the issue?

[KaiserShep]

Anyone else losing track of who's on what side of the issue?

 

 

We are no more equipped to explain as you are to understand, bas. 

[Almostfaceman]

Oh, sure, Bio could definitely go with that interpretation if they wanted to make it so the Viddasala really was carrying out official policy. 

 

The Viddasala was carrying out official policy. You read the OP, right? 

 

Edit: Or watched it. It's both video and someone was kind enough to make a transcript. 

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 03 mai 2016 - 12:42 .

[robertthebard]

Hissrad is an agent not of the antaam.


Ah ha, and yet you accuse my side of posting headcanon.

...and yet, he's leading his men on an operation that doesn't require his supervisor to be there holding his hand. We don't even meet his supervisor in his "loyalty" mission.

I'll point out a very important detail here: I said "I have even postulated ..." in the very snippet you replied to. That qualifier means that I did exactly that, provided some head canon that I made up on my own when I initially found the letter. Here's the difference, when IB turned on me, my first thought was "Ah ha, more plausible deniability", instead of clinging blindly to "but my head canon says ...".

[Mistic]

As for why Viddasala went on to tell the Inquisition that Par Vollen would invade, they haven't come up with an excuse for that one yet.

 

Excuse? That's what most villains do all the time. Despite all the evidence to the contrary, they always think their victory is assured and start gloating about what they (or their minions, or their bosses) will do afterwards.

 

Without leaving DA:I, we see Envy spilling the beans so hard that it provides the same information about Corypheus' plans as a trip to the future does; Corypheus himself with the anchor (bonus points because the Inquisitor is in-universe trying to make him do it); Erimond and his plans for the Wardens; Duchess Florianne is so bad at it that a peaceful resolution has the Inquisitor using her words against her in public; even Solas at the end of Trespasser can't stop himself from giving a grand speech, although he's clever enough not to give too many details.

 

Obligatory The Incredibles mention

Spoiler

Lucius: So now I'm in deep trouble. I mean, one more jolt of this death ray and I'm an epitaph. Somehow I manage to find cover and what does Baron von Ruthless do?

Bob: He starts monologuing.

Lucius: He starts monologuing! He starts like, this prepared speech about how *feeble* I am compared to him, how *inevitable* my defeat is, how *the world* *will soon* *be his*, yadda yadda yadda.

Bob: Yammering.

Lucius: Yammering! I mean, the guy has me on a platter and he won't shut up!

 

Yes, hopefully our Arishok will be strategic and cunning. But then again, isn't it possible that he died in Lothering, or never got his sword back?

 

No body found and the quest to recover the sword wasn't especially difficult (just keep asking until you find it, having Sten in the party even makes persuasion easier, so it's not as if he couldn't do it himself). There's also no option to have him killed once he's your companion.

 

Given that Sten becomes the Arishok in Bioware's canon and that WoT2, which contains data valid for all worldstates, mentions rumours of his promotion, I think it's safer to assume Bioware won't waste resources in making a different Arishok when they have left a door open for themselves to claim Sten was never dead to begin with. I mean, Leliana was much, much harder to justify and that didn't stop them.

[Illyria]

I didn't write that Epler's statements proved that particular point. I wrote that it proved Viddasala was the only leader of those Qunari.

Also, Weekes' statements do not refer to Viddasala. Which I also pointed out.

 

Are you...?

 

Never mind.  I'm noping out of this thread.

[Heimdall]

The one point I'll give in favor of Grepher's position is the Vidasala feeding lyrium to Saarebas. I'll absolutely believe that that act was her going off the rails, unless we find in DA4 that the Qunari have had a drastic change of policy.

However, Dragon's Breath is too big an operation for me to believe it wasn't authorized. The plan would only work if the Qunari were already prepared to invade. That actually explains why Vidasala would intercept and crumple the note. If she knew she was pushing the line, she would want to know what the Triumvirate is thinking. She crumpled it because she felt she was being left out to dry.

So that's my stance, that Dragon's Breath (The plan to kill off all the leaders of the South) was a sanctioned operation but the Vidasala went off script with her methods.

[QueenCrow]

Oh, sure, Bio could definitely go with that interpretation if they wanted to make it so the Viddasala really was carrying out official policy. But it's hard to see that as the design intent when Trespasser was written. What's that Codex entry there to do?

 

That's the prize-winning question of page 53!