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[Almostfaceman]

Weekes and Epler confirm that the operation was not authorized.
 

 

This completely flies in the face of the plain language of the OP and is ludicrous. It can't even remotely be taken seriously. Please go home, you're drunk.

 

That said, when we got to the Qunari, we kicked around different ways to do it. We said 'Oh, okay, maybe it's a rogue faction of the Qunari and they aren't really the real Qunari and Bull doesn't believe in them,' and every time... We tried to talk ourselves into that for a while, like, 'Oh Bull wouldn't do this, they're not the real Qunari, they're an offshoot,' and it just got so toothless. It got to a point where we were like 'No, really, who wants to play a game where you are fighting the offshoot of the offshoot of the offshoot.' We own this. The Qunari aren't being used anywhere but in our games. So if we're gonna say the Qunari are gonna start a war, let's have the Qunari start a war, and let's own it.

[Sifr]

This completely flies in the face of the plain language of the OP and is ludicrous. It can't even remotely be taken seriously. Please go home, you're drunk.

 

That said, when we got to the Qunari, we kicked around different ways to do it. We said 'Oh, okay, maybe it's a rogue faction of the Qunari and they aren't really the real Qunari and Bull doesn't believe in them,' and every time... We tried to talk ourselves into that for a while, like, 'Oh Bull wouldn't do this, they're not the real Qunari, they're an offshoot,' and it just got so toothless. It got to a point where we were like 'No, really, who wants to play a game where you are fighting the offshoot of the offshoot of the offshoot.' We own this. The Qunari aren't being used anywhere but in our games. So if we're gonna say the Qunari are gonna start a war, let's have the Qunari start a war, and let's own it.

 

"Facts are meaningless, you can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." - Homer Simpson

 

Pretty much this thread in a nutshell, eh?

[robertthebard]

Already cited it. The culture is set up to have the Ariqun branch handle administration and spying, the Arishok branch handle military action, and the Arigena to handle the creation of weapons and gaatlok. Yet Viddasala, a high-ranking agent of the Ben-Hassrath, was engaging in duties outside of her role and her gender, such as creation of gaatlok and ordering Antaam soldiers into a military position and wait to invade.

Anything you've typed after this is meaningless because you, yet again, failed to provide what I asked for. I asked for the source material that supports your claim, and you lay out some head canon. I'm not looking for head canon, I'm looking for actual, factual lore from the game or the setting that supports what you're claiming. So far, I haven't seen anything.

Sten was sent to observe the Blight and report his observations. He did that. The Arishok was sent to recover the Tome of Koslun. He tried to. He can even succeed in a specific case. These are single objective missions. That is not the same as a massive assassination and invasion attempt that uses magic mirrors, and feed mined lyrium to saarebas so they can learn to create the Veil like an ancient elvhen mage is rumored to have done.


No it doesn't. Weekes only said they were real Qunari. He never said they were authorized to attack the South.


Nope. Weekes never said they were authorized. So both Weekes and the canon are consistent. They were real Qunari who were not authorized to attack the South. This is a simple concept to understand. If you are incapable of that then you should seek assistance at your local community collage.


Weekes defined it as a group outside of the Qunari. So you are in conflict with Weekes' statements. You deny the words of the creator.


You believe many things that are incorrect, so that doesn't surprise me.

[Sifr]

Anything you've typed after this is meaningless because you, yet again, failed to provide what I asked for. I asked for the source material that supports your claim, and you lay out some head canon. I'm not looking for head canon, I'm looking for actual, factual lore from the game or the setting that supports what you're claiming. So far, I haven't seen anything.

 

Seconded, I've repeatedly asked for actual quotations and sources and got little-to-nothing in return.

 

Instead we have headcanon about how the Qun supposedly works and being accused of "misinterpreting" what the writers supposedly meant, despite almost no-one else having reached that conclusion from either Weekes' interview and the GDC conference. At no point do either Epler or Weekes make any assertions that are anywhere close to what Grepher is somehow claiming they said "proves" his case.

 

We have no real knowledge of how the Qunari hierarchy works, so we cannot claim Viddasala was acting outside the bounds of her command or hadn't been given temporary discretionary powers for the duration of this mission. The Qunari command structure, as well as what they are prepared to do during an actual throw-down and total war situation, is something we've never gotten any real information about.

 

Claiming they wouldn't do something because it seems out-of-character, when we know so very little about them, is maraas imekari.

 

Inquisitor: What I've heard about the Qunari seems fascinating.

Iron Bull: What you've heard is horse-s***.

[Illegitimus]

Even Hissrad confirms that the Arigena makes gaatlok, and he said he can't believe that the Arigena would let that much gaatlok out of Par Vollen if you take him to the Forgotten Temple basement. We later find that Viddasala was making her own gaatlok. A direct violation of the Qun, as only the Arigena branch is allowed to make gaatlok. Just as only a male and member of the Arishok branch can order a soldier in a military fashion. Viddasala was acting outside of her role and her gender, and even the mere fact that she was the only agent running the operation proves it wasn't official, since the Qunari would appoint multiple agents to specific roles to make sure everything worked as it was supposed to. Having one agent's attention divided among several different tasks, half of which are outside her purpose, makes no sense.

 

 

Oh for crying out loud.  Stop doing that.  "Official" and "authorized" are not synonyms.  Something does not have to be official to be authorized.

 

Now, as for the rest of it, please explain something.  Given that Viddasala could not order soldiers...why were the soldiers doing anything?  Do they somehow not know this?  

[Sifr]

Yeah if only they did, but they didn't! Ferelden has one eluvian in the Dragon Bone Wastes, one in Soldier's Peak, and one in Skyhold. Orlais has one in Halamshiral, and that's it.

 

You are incorrect and vastly underestimate the scope of the Eluvian network.

 

We travel through several Eluvians during Trespasser that lead to locations in Ferelden and Orlais, accompanied by notes that suggest these Eluvians were scavenged from Elven ruins and sold to nobles as luxury items. And those were just in part of the network we have access to.

 

Solas refers to Briala and the Qunari having gained access to small sections of the Crossroads, meaning the full network has not been fully explored. This is backed up by the Qunari being shown mapping the network, as well as gathering Eluvians in the Darvaraad and smashing some of them, thus allowing them to control the flow of travel to and from the Darvaraad, as well as create choke points under their control.

 

Maybe the reason you think that the Eluvians have no military use to the Qunari is because you were under the false impression that there only were 4 Eluvians located in all of Southern Thedas.

 

The reason Morrigan probably had such trouble finding an Eluvian was because a lot of them have been moved or destroyed in the millennia since the fall of Elvhenan. Tracking all of them down would have been nigh-impossible, hence why she limited her search for Elven and Tevinter ruins that were largely undisturbed, because it had the best chance of containing an intact Eluvian still in it's original location.

 

Just as only a male and member of the Arishok branch can order a soldier in a military fashion. Viddasala was acting outside of her role and her gender, and even the mere fact that she was the only agent running the operation proves it wasn't official, since the Qunari would appoint multiple agents to specific roles to make sure everything worked as it was supposed to.

 

Once again, you are making up things about the Qun that simply aren't supported by anything established in the lore.

 

Sten was a soldier in the military, who was sent on a fact-finding and information-gathering mission to Ferelden.

 

Bull was a spy in the secret police, who was sent to lead a squad to keep streets safe in Seheron.

 

As we can see from the above examples, sometimes Qunari soldiers will be required to perform reconnaissance under the purview of military intelligence, while Qunari spies will be required to conduct field operations that requires cracking some skulls.

 

Under your belief of how the Qun supposedly operates, neither would be permitted to happen because it falls too far outside their assigned roles. So evidently your understanding of the Qun seems to fly completely contrary to how we've seen it operate countless times.