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[Lethalain]

I've been wondering something. In all of DA games a warrior can choose the Reaver specialization. One of the iconic powers of the Reaver is the ability to chew on their enemies, consume their flesh and blood to restore their strength. 

Now, in all three games we encounter Darkspawn and as we know, consuming their blood and flesh gets you tainted and blighted. The Warden wouldn't be affected, yeah. But what about Hawke and Inquisitor? What if they munch a darkspawn? Wouldn't they get tainted? Or would the dragon's blood somehow protect them? Forget the plot armor and game mechanics for now

 

Furthermore, what if the Reaver Inquisitor bites a Red Templar? For as we know, red lyrium is lyrium tainted by the Blight. Is the red templars' blood considered as tainted by the Blight? Or do those red lyrium side effects only transpire if you consume red lyrium itself?

[Taki17]

As far as I know, Reavers don't actually eat the flesh and drink the blood of others, but use it to perform very crude blood magic, an ability granted them by the dragon blood. So the only time they truly consume blood is during their initiation, when they drink dragon blood. When they're fighting somebody, they use their own or their enemies' blood to perform blood magic and hurt their opponents.

 

As the description to Devour in DAO and DA2 says, the reaver consumes the life force (and not the flesh or blood) of the enemy, so they use blood magic to rejuvenate themselves. Devour in DAI says they use the enemy's blood, but it never says they actually drink it, as it is not needed to perform blood magic.

 

Dragon blood might make them more resistant to the taint (as dragons are), but they wouldn't be immune by any means, as dragons still can be corrupted (archdemon, red lyrium dragon). As for Red Templars, it would be difficult to directly cut them, as they wear armor or their skin is mutated into lyrium crystals.

[Lethalain]

As far as I know, Reavers don't actually eat the flesh and drink the blood of others, but use it to perform very crude blood magic, an ability granted them by the dragon blood. So the only time they truly consume blood is during their initiation, when they drink dragon blood. When they're fighting somebody, they use their own or their enemies' blood to perform blood magic and hurt their opponents.

 

As the description to Devour in DAO and DA2 says, the reaver consumes the life force (and not the flesh or blood) of the enemy, so they use blood magic to rejuvenate themselves. Devour in DAI says they use the enemy's blood, but it never says they actually drink it, as it is not needed to perform blood magic.

 

Dragon blood might make them more resistant to the taint (as dragons are), but they wouldn't be immune by any means, as dragons still can be corrupted (archdemon, red lyrium dragon). As for Red Templars, it would be difficult to directly cut them, as they wear armor or their skin is mutated into lyrium crystals.

 

Well, the skill icon for Devour is a set of fanged teeth in both DA2 and DAI, which kinda creates the biting image. Furthermore, the description for Devour in DAI says "You rip into your enemy" and in DA2 it's "You tear into your enemy". It's the same as "sink teeth into", which means you will inevitably gulp at least some of that blood, no? (sorry for any mistakes, English is not my first language)

[Taki17]

DAO: The reaver revels in death, absorbing the lingering energy of all nearby corpses, each of which partially restores the reaver's own health.

 

DA2: The Reaver tears into an enemy, consuming its life force to heal the Reaver.

 

DAI: Blood is life. You rip into your enemy, doing damage based on how badly you're wounded and healing yourself. Ring of Pain significantly increases the effect.

 

Considering that biting your enemy does seem as a last resort in melee combat, when you have a sword or other weapon in your hand, plus Devour can be used from quite a distance, I'd say it does not involve biting.

 

Tearing into something does not necesarrily mean sinking your teeth into something/someone, you can do it with your bare hands or any sharp object that is capable to penetrate the skin (and clothing or armor), thats why I think it does not need biting someone, you just need to access their blood. And since reavers are not skilled blood mages who can boil your own blood in your body with a thought, the easiest way to access someones blood is to cut them somewhere.

[Lazarillo]

I think that the easiest proof that Reavers don't bite their enemies is the fact that none of their attack animations (including Devour) involve biting their enemies. Kinda hard to argue on that point alone.

That said, this does kind of raise an interesting point for another reason...High Dragons have been confirmed to be naturally resistant (though not immune) to the Taint. Perhaps some of this would actually carry over to Reavers.

[Lethalain]

Biting an enemy amidst the fight is sure problematic, but I kinda thought that since the Reavers' abilities are a crude form of blood magic, that means that they probably do need to ingest the stuff. Plus, most of the times in the descriptions it says that blood = life or life force.

 

On the topic of Reavers being simewhat resistant to the taint because of the draconic blood... Reaver is not a dragon; he does have dragon's blood, which gives him abilities and, as Cassandra says, they actually grow scales in the end when they go mad. But as I understand, dragons can halt the spreading of Blight in their bodies by forming cysts where the blighted flesh is contained and I doubt that Reavers can do the same.

[thats1evildude]

The animation for the Devour ability involves the Reaver's hand being enveloped by a spectral dragon's claw. They don't actually eat people; they're just tearing away a piece of an enemy's "life force" to heal themselves.

 

Here, I took a screenshot of the Iron Bull using Devour:

 

https://account.xbox...e5-41bc3a3a6568

[Lethalain]

Guys, I'm not talking about the skill animation. After all, those are just visualizations, they did have to animate the skill somehow. I wanted to understand how the Reavers work from the lore standpoint. Yes, they do use a crude form of Blood Magic, but they are not mages - they're warriors. I highly doubt that they could just touch a pool of blood and ta-daaa! - get healed. On the other hand, acts of cannibalism and blood drinking should be better suited for this half-crazed warrior.

[Lazarillo]

Why wouldn't the animation be accurate, though? If they wanted to animate it as biting/drinking blood, they could have.

[Lethalain]

Maybe, but remember that there are also non-humanoid enemies in the games and humanoids of gigantic size - like the ogres, for example. They would have to animate a single skill for all the types of enemies and that takes time and resources better spent on something else.

[thats1evildude]

Here's the thing: them eating people creates all sorts of problems (what if it's a darkspawn or a Red Templar? what if the opponent is armoured? why doesn't the animation show that?) and the spectral dragon's claw tearing away life force does not. So IMO, Reavers use the Claw.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Here's the thing: them eating people creates all sorts of problems (what if it's a darkspawn or a Red Templar? what if the opponent is armoured? why doesn't the animation show that?) and the spectral dragon's claw tearing away life force does not. So IMO, Reavers use the Claw.

 

Not to mention 'what if the enemy is made of rocks or insubstantial Fade energy instead of meat?'

[thats1evildude]

And then there's poisonous creatures like phoenixes and wyverns. Half of a phoenix's organs will apparently liquify your lungs.