And which variety of IT are we talking about? Original Recipe IT required more DLC or a sequel, so that's out. I presume we're talking about something like Deception Theory, where Destroy is real and the others are fakes? Or was Refuse supposed to be the real one?
How about all of the above?
"What we saw isn't really what happened?"
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Agreed, but this is mostly a problem with the fanbase, and maybe the marketing. Other CRPG series have canonized choices before. And BG2 didn't exactly respect the player's BG1 choices.It all needs to be answered and if you make one singular choice the new canon then you're going to ****** off anyone who made a different choice somewhere.
How about all of the above?
"What we saw isn't really what happened?"
But then does even adopting IT get you around the canonization problem? Or do you just end up having to canonize an IT version?
Nothing gets around the canonization problem.
If they canonize something, people will b*tch that their choices didn't matter because they chose something else.
If they make a Keep which allows for all the "canon-canon", people will b*tch because IT, MEHEM, Marauder Shields, or some other personal canon wasn't included.
If they don't canonize anything, people will b*tch because their ending didn't get mentioned by random NPCs in a hallway, so their choices didn't matter.
They can do what they want with the new game and how or if they mention ME3. I have the pc version now and the ending that, for me, I had expected. Live or die. No bodies laying in the rubble, no sparkles, no suggestion that I just don't "get" it, definitely no jedi knowledge that makes a friend or lover smile and leave Shepards name off the memorial. My Shepardes survived to put up Anderson's name or they died. Some of my team made it, some didn't all depending on how I played.
Have I forgot? nope, it was the biggest game disappointment I've been through. Topped the dark ritual, watching Morrigan crawl towards my Alistair, topped FA3 pre Broken Steel. So won't ever forget and it has caused me to hold off on the pre-orders. But I enjoyed DAI so I'm looking forward to hoping I enjoy MEA. 
Could you be a dear and dig out the Charon Relay while you're there?
Nothing gets around the canonization problem.
If they canonize something, people will b*tch that their choices didn't matter because they chose something else.
If they make a Keep which allows for all the "canon-canon", people will b*tch because IT, MEHEM, Marauder Shields, or some other personal canon wasn't included.
If they don't canonize anything, people will b*tch because their ending didn't get mentioned by random NPCs in a hallway, so their choices didn't matter.
That's why you don't talk about anything or if you do, it's so vague it could be anything.
It was a very stupid get out of jail free card.
In a series where the major plotlines are dropped with no explanation, lore is self-contradictory, and an ending that at least tried to address the loose endings is stupid?
I won't pretend it was great, or even good, but it was a step up, even from the ending we got with Extended Cut.
Agreed, but this is mostly a problem with the fanbase, and maybe the marketing. Other CRPG series have canonized choices before. And BG2 didn't exactly respect the player's BG1 choices.
Anyway, this is where we are.
I think it is also partly a problem of reception. If ME3's endings had of been a massive success they might have felt they had the political capital to poke people in the eye by disappointing them that their preference wasn't going to be the default selection. I'm sure they thought not poking the hornet's nest was the sane move considering the earlier wounds.
Nothing gets around the canonization problem.
If they canonize something, people will b*tch that their choices didn't matter because they chose something else.
If they make a Keep which allows for all the "canon-canon", people will b*tch because IT, MEHEM, Marauder Shields, or some other personal canon wasn't included.
If they don't canonize anything, people will b*tch because their ending didn't get mentioned by random NPCs in a hallway, so their choices didn't matter.
It's not necessarily to get a mention from an npc that they should canonize, they should do it to get a solid continuity going through the series. And it's not about picking the choices that are the most popular by the fanbase.
The writers most certainly have their "prefered storyline" when they wrote the game, they'll never say it out loud, but they must have had a certain view on how the story should have gone if the game didn't have choices inbedded in it, like a main timeline. Then with that main timeline in their heads, they added the other possibilities we now have as choices.
So they could canonize that main timeline and use it as reference point for andromeda. I believe it is better to have a backstory that is not identical to my savegame than not getting any backstory whatsoever, because that is the alternative here, with the "i don't know what happened and i'll never know because kudo!" ...
What's the point of going somewhere if you don't remember the journey behind it 
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That's what happens when the proverbial crap sundae hits the fan in a perfect, veritable storm of exaggerated claims, outright lies, and false promises. Shepard's legacy is tainted. The amount of disappointment is proportional to how disappointing something is.
It really isn't though. If you truly believe that, then you must have had a very comfortable life or no life at all. To be so disappointed in a video game ending four years after the fact is ridiculous. Was it bad? Yes. Did it leave a bad taste in my mouth? Yes. Is it time to move on? Hell yes.
No matter how good the story or lifelike the characters may be, it's a video game. It's fun and entertaining. Should it be a sore point of contention in your mind for the rest of your life? Absolutely not. Keep complaining or don't, but, for the sake of yourself, go out and live life. There are better things to be disappointed by than this, especially FOUR YEARS after the fact.
It really isn't though. If you truly believe that, then you must have had a very comfortable life or no life at all. To be so disappointed in a video game ending four years after the fact is ridiculous. Was it bad? Yes. Did it leave a bad taste in my mouth? Yes. Is it time to move on? Hell yes.
No matter how good the story or lifelike the characters may be, it's a video game. It's fun and entertaining. Should it be a sore point of contention in your mind for the rest of your life? Absolutely not. Keep complaining or don't, but, for the sake of yourself, go out and live life. There are better things to be disappointed by than this, especially FOUR YEARS after the fact.
Thank you for telling us benighted plebes how to think
I hope not.
Having it become canon that the Reaper War was lost, effectively making the entire Shepard trilogy completely pointless, would guarantee that I'd never purchase another Bioware game again. It would be a giant middle finger to fans of the first three games.
It's not necessarily to get a mention from an npc that they should canonize, they should do it to get a solid continuity going through the series. And it's not about picking the choices that are the most popular by the fanbase.
The writers most certainly have their "prefered storyline" when they wrote the game, they'll never say it out loud, but they must have had a certain view on how the story should have gone if the game didn't have choices inbedded in it, like a main timeline. Then with that main timeline in their heads, they added the other possibilities we now have as choices.
So they could canonize that main timeline and use it as reference point for andromeda. I believe it is better to have a backstory that is not identical to my savegame than not getting any backstory whatsoever, because that is the alternative here, with the "i don't know what happened and i'll never know because kudo!" ...
What's the point of going somewhere if you don't remember the journey behind it
If ME3 proved anything it's that a lot of people didn't care for the writers' "preferred storyline" And forcing it yet again down the throats of players would be yet another middle finger to their fans.
Choose anything besides *blank*? You chose wrong!
You're right and thank god. It's better to imagine your own ending than that ****, and Bioware aknowledges that.
By not choosing a canon ending Bioware really dug themselves into a hole, maybe not at present or even the near future.
If mass effect continues and beyond this new game/trilogy, are they just going to keep ignoring the Milky Way? or are they hoping by that time everyone will have forgotten about it.
On topic, there is only one ending: Destroy.
IT would have been brilliant + Destroy, if the game was built around it, Liara and several other NPC always remarked throughout the game how Shepard's will is remarkable so it would have made sense he would be able to overcome it, and they could have easily adjusted for it in ME3 but like NextArishok308 said they had a get out of jail free card and failed to take advantage, fear of choosing an ending? artistic integrity perhaps..
I honestly think IT would have made the game "more", you know? ME trilogy was awesome but it could have been even greater attracting even a broader range of sci-fi fans, or at least being applauded for its brilliance, or not, but that's just my opinion.
Either way all we got was an epic fail Deus ex knockoff ending (discounting destroy 
).
ME3 Destroy as canon or MEA is hogwash
Thank you for telling us benighted plebes how to think
I ain't telling you to think anything, but, if it's a duck, call it a duck. If four years pass and the one thing you hold onto are your negative feelings over a video game ending, it's very telling. I'm not saying that it never happened or that you should deny how you felt, but four years is a long time. Worse things have happened, will happen, and continue to happen.
Iakus, you and I have been on the BSN a long time. Whenever I pop my head in to see what's going on, I always see more than a few posts from you. You're a smart guy and I always enjoy the discussions we have because you have always expressed your views in a way that I respect, no matter how different our opinions. But come on, man. Four years is long enough.
I've seen people get over horrible breakups, divorces, and the deaths of family members faster than most of these "benighted plebes" (your words, not mine) have gotten over the ending of Mass Effect 3.
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