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[greenbrownblue]

Yes, and in the meeting with Morrigan Flemeth puts her hand over Morrigan's head and transfers something to her. Morrigan then says, "I... understand". That was the power Flemeth wanted to give Morrigan.


Dev notes mean nothing. Besides, the power he stole could have been the eluvian.


More powerful than what? Also, when we get to the top of the steps in the first elvhen tower, we see an explosion similar to the one at the conclave. That could have been Solas unlocking some elvhen artifact and gaining power that way.


Maybe he just felt she was unworthy of carrying Mythal, and killed her to free Mythal's essence so it could return to her full spirit in the Crossroads.


Masked Empire proves he didn't have access to the eluvians, and Trespasser comes after Solas kills Flemeth.


Well who else would it be? There was only one spirit, and it as female. Now, it was a human woman, but the devs have since stated on Twitter or something that the model was supposed to be elven. They just threw in a human female because they thought the water filter would obscure her rounded ears.

Abelas knew little of Mythal. Flemeth even tells you that she doesn't care to reveal herself to anyone.

As for Flemeth being one with Mythal, that only means Flemeth carries a wisp of her, and Flemeth even describes it as a wisp. Mythal's full form was likely in the Well, reforming over the ages.

Solas states that his friend, the Spirit of Wisdom, might reform in the same location in the Fade some day, though it will likely be a different spirit. Mythal is probably doing this, but she had the Well of Sorrows to help her. So she likely returned in her full essence over time.

There is a case in which there is no Kieran and Inquisitor drinks from the well. Morrigan says nothing and as Flemeth says - the soul is not forces upon the unwilling. 
Solas was too... "friendly" with Flemeth. There is really no hint indicating that Solas thinks Flemeth is not worthy. It would be too cocky. Plus she called him an old friend and you can see a tear running down from Dread Wolf's eye. I highly doubt he considered Mythal's chosen one an unworthy vessel. He believes in free will and Mythal's will was Flemeth.

In the Trespasser Solas explains that Briala had control over a PART of the layrinth and that with her gone , eluvians are now his. Meaning he had access to some part of it.

 

About that spirit from the well, we can't know for sure, so that's why I do not claim it's her. Personally I would like to believe that since the memories can shape a spirit (Solas' personal quest - if the memory of the spirit is strong enough it might one day rise again) it could have been Mythal. The Well after all collects all memories. But again.... There is no proof.

[greenbrownblue]

But how does that prove he took her powers? I see nothing in that scene which indicates this. All the blue energy from Flemeth goes into the eluvian, not Solas.

Solas' eye glow could have been his own powers manifesting. He did just display some kind of green aura ability which is what caused Flemeth to die in the first place. So maybe this was all his own power.


No, I was referring to the scene in the Temple of Mythal when the spirit in the Well floats into the eluvian before Corypheus can reach it.


I don't yet have an OG Kieran worldstate loaded in so I don't have first hand experience with it, but I thought I saw a video on it. If it isn't in the Fade version, then fine. Flemeth used some other process to teach Morrigan in that case. Or BioWare simply forgot to put it in. Regardless, Flemeth placing her hand over Morrigan's forehead and teaching her the dragon form does happen in the version with the alter.

The whole scene would not make any sense if Solas did not take sth from Mythal........ Just saying....

[Smudjygirl]

I am sure he did not kill Mythal , it would not make sense. However, I do not think that he would spare Flemeth and Flemeth as much as she knows - she is nt an ancient elf.

 

Based on the interaction between Flemeth and Solas, and Flemeth's foresight shown in the previous games, i think that Mythal has made Flemeth more like herself.

 

I think Flemeth is Mythal, and Mythal is Flemeth. There is no real seperation between the two anymore. Flemeth says Mythal came to her as a wisp and that she has carried her through the years. But as far as we know, it is Flemeth who calls Solas "old friend". If i were to guess, i would say it is a similar situation as Anders and Justice. They are of one mind, though still seem to consider themselves separate entities.

[greenbrownblue]

Based on the interaction between Flemeth and Solas, and Flemeth's foresight shown in the previous games, i think that Mythal has made Flemeth more like herself.

 

I think Flemeth is Mythal, and Mythal is Flemeth. There is no real seperation between the two anymore. Flemeth says Mythal came to her as a wisp and that she has carried her through the years. But as far as we know, it is Flemeth who calls Solas "old friend". If i were to guess, i would say it is a similar situation as Anders and Justice. They are of one mind, though still seem to consider themselves separate entities.

Soooo... You believe that Solas has Mythal inside him?

[IllustriousT]

Soooo... You believe that Solas has Mythal inside him?

 

Well, there's an image I could have done without.

[Smudjygirl]

I don't necessarily believe Solas absorbed Mythal, just her power.

[Almostfaceman]

In the epilogue scene we can see Flemeth sending sth thru the eluvian. Editor notes say it is her "godhood" that she meant to give Morrigan. The notes also mention that Solas "stole her power". These are just notes and not the canonical facts. Anyway,what did Solas take from Flemeth and where is Mythal (the wisp or w/e) now? We know that Flemeth was not limited to being in one place at a time.

I find it suspicious that Solas in the Trespasser DLC is wearing Mythal's armor similar to the one that sentinels wear (and they are bound to obedience). Also, dont you guys find it weird that Solas says "There is no glory here, only the price that I alone will pay" (when referring to tearing down the Veil). So has not Mythal/Flementh paid the price? Is not Mythal known for aiding others for a price?

 

What are your thoughts?

 

Flemeth is wherever the writers need her to be. She demonstrates the ability to be in multiple locations at the same time. In all my play-through's, she isn't killed by me at her hut. So there's at least two of her roaming about. 

 

So, she pops up somewhere, the audience says "what"? The writer says.... "it's just another copy of her". 'Nuff said. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

Lately is circulated the theory that she is inside the old gods of Tevinter,each piece of her is inside each old god that's why she was able to took that soul from Kieren and wanted to save the old god in the first place.

[Dai Grepher]

Souls and powers aren't the same thing,Flemeth can separate her soul from her powers just when she did it in DAO where she fought the warden wihtout Mythal soul in her,the soul is sent on the eluvian the powers are took from Solas,visit the Solas section for this kind of discussions.
 
I think you are putting too much emphasis on the cinematics,

Okay, but if we saw nothing transfer from Flemeth to Solas, then how can you conclude that Solas took power from her? Maybe he only meant to destroy that human vassal to free Mythal's essence. Maybe he saw Flemeth as unworthy to carry Mythal.

FLemeth put an hand over MOrrigan head only in the altar of Mythal,in the fade she don't do anything other than stole the soul of the dragon.

Well then either BioWare forgot to add that animation, or the knowledge was passed to her in the Fade through some other means. But the hand over the head definitely shows that she passed something on to Morrigan in that instance.

However, I do not think that he would spare Flemeth and Flemeth as much as she knows - she is nt an ancient elf.

I agree. But then maybe Mythal has a different plan in mind than Solas does. Maybe she wants humans to live in the unveiled world as well, which is why she bestows knowledge on Morrigan.

Flemeth wants to give her daughter a "gift". Nothing weird about that.

But Flemeth can't do anything without Mythal's consent. So I think that means Mythal wanted Morrigan to have that knowledge as well.

There is a case in which there is no Kieran and Inquisitor drinks from the well. Morrigan says nothing and as Flemeth says - the soul is not forces upon the unwilling.

I thought the hand over the head happens regardless of who drinks, so long as they are at the alter. According to Don, the Fade scene is different in this.

Solas was too... "friendly" with Flemeth. There is really no hint indicating that Solas thinks Flemeth is not worthy. It would be too cocky. Plus she called him an old friend and you can see a tear running down from Dread Wolf's eye. I highly doubt he considered Mythal's chosen one an unworthy vessel. He believes in free will and Mythal's will was Flemeth.

But if Mythal's soul can be freed from it, and he needs Flemeth out of his way, then he would kill her. And I think he is under the impression that no human will be able to survive in the unveiled world.

In the Trespasser Solas explains that Briala had control over a PART of the layrinth and that with her gone , eluvians are now his. Meaning he had access to some part of it.

I think this is what Flemeth allowed Solas to take for himself, and this is all Solas took from her.

About that spirit from the well, we can't know for sure, so that's why I do not claim it's her. Personally I would like to believe that since the memories can shape a spirit (Solas' personal quest - if the memory of the spirit is strong enough it might one day rise again) it could have been Mythal. The Well after all collects all memories. But again.... There is no proof.

The devs said the model was human, but the water filter was supposed to obstruct view of the ears. They said it was supposed to be an elven model.

The whole scene would not make any sense if Solas did not take sth from Mythal........ Just saying....

He took the activated eluvian.

[ModernAcademic]

She's dead. Her existence ended when she couldn't transfer her soul to a new body before the old one expired.

 

Solas probably absorbed only her powers in that wisp. Hence the whole turn-people-to statue-ability in Trespasser.

 

He didn't have such power when we first met him. So he downright stole from her.

 

The only reason why she must've agreed in the end was because there was nothing she could do, anyway. Her own daughter had refused her. She was heartbroken. Her plan to survive through Kieran failed. And her time was up.

 

Morrigan should've accepted her mother's gift or let Kieran decide whether he wanted to house Mythal's essence or not. 

[Xerrai]

He took the activated eluvian.

You know, you keep on saying that yet no matter how much I think on it, it seems like a pretty paltry reason to kill her over a mere activated eluvian.

 

Eluvians may be rare but to kill a dear friend over it? It would be much simpler and less costly to Solas if he simply found another eluvian to make use of. That way he could work on the other non-passphrase protected eluvians from inside the crossraods.

Even if the eluvian was one of the 'special' sort that was pass-phrase/keystone protected or something, Mythal could have merely let him in it without sacrificing her vessel.

 

Solas morosely killing Mythal for no other reason than to simply take eluvian (that was most likely on a time saving convienance) seems.....unlikely. Very unlikely. As in "I don't think I could believe it" unlikely. The price was too steep and the reward too low for Solas to perform an action he deeply regrets when there were other, less costly means of attaining an eluvian.