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[DragonKingReborn]

Hhhnnnnggg!!! This is when you know the itch for DA4 is gonna be fierce!
Already unbearable ;___;

Agreed. The Secret IP wondering is just idle fun, and I've no interest in ME. This is where the real wait is.

[lynroy]

You guys...stop messing with Hrungr's day dreams.

But that's my goal in life! Sorry, Hrungr.

[Big I]

It might just be a reused asset. I noticed the other day that the eluvian in Skyhold doesn't reflect the room it's in, it sort of looks like it's looking into the Well. Also, don't all eluvians connect to the Crossroads? I didn't think they connected directly to each other.

[Dai Grepher]

Which clearly hint that these two Mythal-Solas are cooperating for something.
After All wasn't Solas Mythal best friend or something?

He was her pet mabari, basically.
  

Abelas is coming back!

Nope.

[IllustriousT]

Hhhnnnnggg!!! This is when you know the itch for DA4 is gonna be fierce!


Already unbearable ;___;

 

For me too. I just hope they "tease" just a little something at the EA Play event in June. Just a small hint at the plot...even a concept art shot, anything. I don't expect the game to be released before Q4 of 2017 though, which is fine by me. The more time they have...the better (hopefully) it will be.

 

I am a sad person.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ooh, nice find.

I guess it makes sense, if he absorbed Mythal...

 

Who is Mythal?

[Hrungr]

Perhaps a silly question since I haven't delved into OOB at all, but can't it simply be a way to efficiently use game assets? Areas usually consists of same-size squares, and this could just be a way to fill out an unused space. Sorry if I ruin someone's fantasies...

 

(Taking a break from the Hunt for Red McNally... )

 

It could very well be some asset just plunked in there, no question. But BioWare do like their easter eggs and to hide things where people can't normally go. Hiding a hint in the last Eluvian of the game is something I could see them doing. But again, I agree this could also just be nothing...

[greenbrownblue]

I roamed around OOB in Trespasser the other day and I noticed that when I pressed my face right up to the Eluvian Solas passes through at the end of Trespasser, you can see it's destination - The Well of Sorrows.

 

 

 

 

 

I traveled OOB in the Well of Sorrows to confirm it was the same area.

 

Was this a hint?

Was Solas perhaps traveling there to track down Abelas and the rest of the Ancient Elves who left there?

My bf found exactly the same thing. However, I had a hard time understanding how it was possible, coz when you watch the moment when Cory launches at the mirror he breaks it (jump to 1:24:00 )

 

 

Theoretically it should not work... Or maybe it is repairable as Merril thought?

[Kantr]

My bf found exactly the same thing. However, I had a hard time understanding how it was possible, coz when you watch the moment when Cory launches at the mirror he breaks it (jump to 1:24:00 )

 

 

Theoretically it should not work... Or maybe it is repairable as Merril thought?

They must surely be repairable, however it's highly likely Merril doesn't have the tools and power to fix it.  

[Aravasia]

They must surely be repairable, however it's highly likely Merril doesn't have the tools and power to fix it.  

Does she not fix it, if you let her keep it? Speaking of which.. doesn't that mirror lead to the Black City? I wonder if that decision will have implications in future games. She is a required companion, after all.

[Kantr]

Does she not fix it, if you let her keep it? Speaking of which.. doesn't that mirror lead to the Black City? I wonder if that decision will have implications in future games. She is a required companion, after all.

It's never made clear if she does get it working. The first time she tries her keeper kills herself. 

 

It's very unlikely that the Eluvian is to the black city.

[Aravasia]

It's never made clear if she does get it working. The first time she tries her keeper kills herself. 

 

It's very unlikely that the Eluvian is to the black city.

There is the theory that the Black City was Arlathan (which became more likely after the revelations in Trespasser.) If that does turn out so, then conventional wisdom would hold that it is likely quite a few, or at least one Eluvians connect to it. Given Tamlen's comments on that Eluvian in Origins, I would not say that it is entirely out of the realm of possibility that it does lead to the Black City.

[In Exile]

There is the theory that the Black City was Arlathan (which became more likely after the revelations in Trespasser.) If that does turn out so, then conventional wisdom would hold that it is likely quite a few, or at least one Eluvians connect to it. Given Tamlen's comments on that Eluvian in Origins, I would not say that it is entirely out of the realm of possibility that it does lead to the Black City.

 

I think Trespasser supports the idea that the entirety of the place we call the "Fade" was Arlathan - a pocket dimension city shattered just like the Library.

[midnight tea]

I think Trespasser supports the idea that the entirety of the place we call the "Fade" was Arlathan - a pocket dimension city shattered just like the Library.

 

Not really sure about that, since Vir Dirthara itself was a pocked dimension made out of the Fade, but distinct enough to be different from it (according to dialogue between Morrigan and Rift Mage Inquisitor it's something between real world and Fade).

 

edit: Also, Solas mentions Arlathan in vanilla game and describes it as a specific place and pretty much never makes a comment that would make it seem as if Arlathan = Fade. Fade is more of a state, an energy or a building block and its own dimension, that many elvhen places or inventions relied on its presence, not just a pocket dimension.

 

It also doesn't appear to be shattered per se - it changed and diminished, because it was pushed away from the world, and likely because most people's conscious connection to it was cut (and as we know from Cole's comments Fade absolutely relies on minds of the living) and likely had little to nothing to do with destruction of Arlathan.

[In Exile]

Not really sure about that, since Vir Dirthara itself was a pocked dimension made out of the Fade, but distinct enough to be different from it (according to dialogue between Morrigan and Rift Mage Inquisitor it's something between real world and Fade).

Neither of the two know anything about the "true" nature of the Fade, i.e., the pre-Fade world. Remember, the Fade permeated everything in the world that Solas talks about it at Haven.

[midnight tea]

Neither of the two know anything about the "true" nature of the Fade, i.e., the pre-Fade world. Remember, the Fade permeated everything in the world that Solas talks about it at Haven.

 

I'll refer you to my edited comment and the fact that our expert on the Fade, Solas, makes no comments that would even suggest Arlathan = Fade.

 

Also - Fade permeating everything suggests very much that it wasn't a specific place like Arlathan, but a form of energy, or... well... magic in its pure form.

[Secret Rare]

It might just be a reused asset. I noticed the other day that the eluvian in Skyhold doesn't reflect the room it's in, it sort of looks like it's looking into the Well. Also, don't all eluvians connect to the Crossroads? I didn't think they connected directly to each other.

Eluvians don't reflect anything is part of the lore.

[Almostfaceman]

I think Trespasser supports the idea that the entirety of the place we call the "Fade" was Arlathan - a pocket dimension city shattered just like the Library.

 

Not sure about that since ancient elves visited it to converse with spirits and gain wisdom, while living in Arlathan. 

[Xerrai]

He went to the town of Solas...

I'm going to laugh if in the next game, we have to go to the city of Solas in the Tevinter Imperium as the place for the final battle with Fen'Harel.

[midnight tea]

Not sure about that since ancient elves visited it to converse with spirits and gain wisdom, while living in Arlathan. 

 

Not to mention that Solas says that he's shocked that Inquisitor walked the Fade, since apparently even he can't do that, aside from visiting it in dreams.

[Almostfaceman]

Not to mention that Solas says that he's shocked that Inquisitor walked the Fade, since apparently even he can't do that, aside from visiting it in dreams.

 

Yup, Solas was apparently in Uthenera while resting for millennia, and that's consistent with the method other ancient elves used to visit the Fade. 

[Donquijote and 59 others]

  



Nope.

I see that you insist with the same lame picture like a mad mabari.

 

-Hey didn't Leliana returned? And she wasn't even an ancient elf servant of an Evanuris.

-The same Morrigan whom didn't died at the HoF hands due to a rather dull plot armor was brought back

 

-For Abelas whom death is not mandatory (like AListair and Loghain of DAO who show up if they were not killed) can be brought back and even if he was killed you have no proof that it was permanent,pretty much he is protected like Flemeth from Mythal

[Secret Rare]

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We do not know that Abelas died. We also know that it is very difficult for the Elvhen to die. That is a fact not an excuse. You can choose to ignore the lore all you want but it doesn't change that fact.

The character has his own fandom and considering he only had a short amount of screen time, I'd say he is worthy of making a return. They have brought other characters back for lesser reasons. I think he has great potential and could give us plenty of insight into Mythal, Fen'Harel and the gods.I also think it would be extremely interesting if he opposed Solas. The argument that he is dead, therefore we should just ignore it is lame. It's just an assumption and does not reflect everyone's views. The door is still open for him to return. 

 

 

Agreed. The Secret IP wondering is just idle fun, and I've no interest in ME. This is where the real wait is.

We are one and the same in this thinking!

[midnight tea]

He was her pet mabari, basically.
 

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Nope.

 

Yeah, well... considering that his death is optional rather than permanent in any world state, his appearance in next installment is possible - especially that we don't really know what happens to ancient elves, and especially prominent high elves (like priests and so on) after physical death.

 

Plus, even in recent interview PW, when discussing optional death of Iron Bull, said that death of a character is not something that would prevent that character from ever appearing again, and mentions NPCs from Mass Effects that had still major roles and presence even though they could be killed in earlier games.

[In Exile]

I'll refer you to my edited comment and the fact that our expert on the Fade, Solas, makes no comments that would even suggest Arlathan = Fade.

 

Also - Fade permeating everything suggests very much that it wasn't a specific place like Arlathan, but a form of energy, or... well... magic in its pure form.

 

I've read your comment. I think you misunderstand or I did a bad job explaining. There are two things we know as the "Fade". The first is what Solas knows as the Fade - this ephemeral and ever-changing feature of reality (?) that is fundamentally tied to spirits and magic, and was (seemingly) inseparable from reality before Solas separated it by raising the Veil.

 

The second is the place we call the Fade - the one were Corypheus went physically and we landed physically (twice, potentially!) in DAI (the second time, by way of an Eluvian, not the Anchor). The Fade was "not a place one went" (paraphrasing Solas). Yet it is very clear a place one goes now. 

 

My position is that the Fade - the place, now - is nothing more than a pocket dimension where the ephemeral Fade was, for lack of a better word, stuffed by Solas as part of his ritual that to stop the Evanuris. 

 

The stuff that's "shattered" is what we physically interact with - the random floating rocks, the broken ruins and idols, etc. We see this stuff in other, physical places - the Library, the Crossroads, and - this part is important - when the Fade starts leaking out with the Breach and during the bad future. In fact, watch the courtyard scene for In Hushed Whispers - the whole place looks "like" the physical Fade we visit, once the Breach leaks out whatever essence is the "Fade". 

 

So when I say the entire Fade is Arlathan, I don't mean that the thing Solas refers to as the "Fade" is Arlathan. I mean that the actual place we go, the ruined, floating, rocks, was all part of a single location that happened to be the capital of al elven empire that stretched across dimensions.