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[Silvery]

So the two theories for the Ark in Andromeda seem to be that the Ark left during the reaper war in ME3 or that it is far into the future (1000-5000 years from ME3) when the Ark is launched to go to Andromeda.

 

If the the Ark left during the reaper war in 2186, then that means for Andromeda we would mostly know and be familiar with the tech,vehicles,etc since it is from the same time as ME 1-3. Granted they could obviously go and add news things like they did in ME2 and ME3 or just use Andromeda technology and weapons as the new stuff in the game. 

 

If they went with the second option though then they would have much more leeway to come up with crazy new future stuff since the technology growth limit from the reapers would be gone. Plus the tech would probably be at least 1000 years more advanced, since if they sent it far in the future from the end of ME3 that would be probably be the lower limit in terms of time passed. Granted this option would nullify that the Andromeda tech would be our fancy new stuff.

 

Personally, I thing that option one is the more likely direction that they would go with for the game but nothing has been confirmed as far as I know and I just thought of this last night as a potential situation. 

[Kabooooom]

Considering that we are using the M40 Mako, and the M35 Mako was out in 2183 (unclear when it was actually designed) and the M29 Grizzly in 2157, the technology is obviously either contemporary with ME3 or only very slightly in the future (such as 10-20 years or so).

Personally, I suspect the M40 Mako is probably a 2186 prototype, the Ark leaves during the Reaper War and arrives in Andromeda several hundred years later.

[themikefest]

I believe the ship leaves before the events of ME3.

[Silvery]

I believe the ship leaves before the events of ME3.

 

Yeah, I think the same thing too. Just that since it has not been confirmed the other possibility is still open. 

[Kabooooom]

I'm quite certain that it has to leave before the end of ME3 at least, or the entire (probable) meta-reasoning for going to Andromeda is ruined.

A pre-ME3 departure would be fine, except that it wouldn't be quite as epic as a prologue to Andromeda of a bunch of people rushing to the Ark to escape a Reaper apocalypse .

Doubt they would do that though. But itd be a better intro than a bunch of text saying once upon a time we boarded a ship and then slept the whole way to Andromeda.

[UpUpAway]

Here's my theory... just to be different.  I think the ARK comes from Andromeda just as the ME3 fleet is headed towards earth (that is, the "A" doesn't stand for Alliance) and sucks up entire ships full of personnel from the back of the MW fleet (stragglers) along with whatever available tech prototypes and historic records there were in the data banks of those ships and returns with everything to the Andromeda galaxy.  Inter-galactic travel is no issue for them.

 

Fast forward to a point in time where the slave species (including humans) have plotted a way to start a rebellion against their enslavers.  They are familiar with the MW 22nd century tech (through the old ship's data banks) but have no knowledge of what happened in the moments after the ships were taken by the Andromedans.

[LightningPoodle]

I think it sets off before the Reaper War. If it sets off afterwards, you have the problem of dealing with the endings, even if you set it thousands of years after the event.

The more advanced technology could exist because of the fact that the Ark was built with the express purpose of going to another galaxy. In the time it would have taken to build the Ark, you would also have the time to produce new prototypes of already existing designs, and prototypes for entirely new designs. Remember, this is a new Galaxy. It would be foolish to go unprepared. The upgraded Mako could have a better time of exploring for greater lengths, and surviving harsher environments, as well as being easier to upgrade as you go along (the trip to Andromeda is as much a lesson as it is an expedition). Same goes for weapons and armour, as well as anything else that might be useful.

[Fuenf789]

I don't know what to believe.

I only saw a dog tag in a dark flight deck and a recap of space flight (mostly old caps), some guy jumping like popcorn for no apparent reason (ok because frostbite allows 3d maneuvering, and impactable surfaces).

and ...not to forget - a Johnny Cash country theme song from the 60's- that music part told me that they had some candy coaters onboard without fresh scifi ideas or knowledge of scifi story scripting (or someone on top to keep it all in check). So apart from frostbite specific featured technology(like jumpsuits) it will be simply rerun from me3 tech, unless something rolls

All the rest is just social media rumours (apart from the kids and pets, that is).

[AntarcticWildlife]

I believe the ship leaves before the events of ME3.

Pretty much impossible considering we would know about the ark by now. Ive yet to see any argument which allows shepard to not know about this.

[ArabianIGoggles]

Pretty much impossible considering we would know about the ark by now. Ive yet to see any argument which allows shepard to not know about this.

So..

[Ahriman]

Considering that we are using the M40 Mako, and the M35 Mako was out in 2183 (unclear when it was actually designed) and the M29 Grizzly in 2157, the technology is obviously either contemporary with ME3 or only very slightly in the future (such as 10-20 years or so).

Personally, I suspect the M40 Mako is probably a 2186 prototype, the Ark leaves during the Reaper War and arrives in Andromeda several hundred years later.

M-44 Hammerhead was introduced in ME2. I dunno why people keep forgetting about it.

 

Ive yet to see any argument which allows shepard to not know about this.

He wasn't told about it. Is this an argument?

[AlleyD]

I believe the ship leaves before the events of ME3.

 

I believe that it is a fun narrative to imagine and beats the boredom. A pre ME3 ARK narrative offers a form of closure event, allowing the builder/writer an opportunity to cram all they love about the MEMW into one boat. We already know it is sailing, we already have an image of what it looks like.

 

Using the applied rules of how technology uplifts worked in the MW major plot movers. (Tech uplifts are achieved through some, unexplained and speculative Black Box process of reverse engineered Alien Phlebetonium) and the timeline of their introductions to the human timeline.

 

2148/49:- Lore date for the introduction of late Prothean Empire technologies. This technology fuelled the expansion of humans through dozens of colonies, some with massive populations and in exceptionally hostile environments that required technological solutions that were reverse engineered from Prothean technologies discovered on Mars, and in other Prothean sites after 2157. We never saw the apex of the engineering capacity of humans, let alone other species. One multi-species colony has a population of 1.8 billion (Caleston). Established in 2144 by some un-named Alien race, but Eldfell Ashland entered the sector in 2175 and built it into the industrial powerhouse of the Attican Traverse. It is also the centre of drive core engineering for the Alliance. The moon is geologically unstable, highly volcanic and affected by the strong gravitational forces of the parent planet, Cerunnos. Also, has no native agriculture, water and a hostile atmosphere - totally dependent on the engineering of the Bio Domes around the cities, mining, eezo processing, ports and engineering facilities.

 

2183 Reaper Tech (Sovereign), Citadel and Ilos (Prothean/Inusannon) Little data has been revealed as to what technological discoveries may have been obtained, but there were techs that would be ideal for an ARK (not least the Cryo facility) Another valuable tech uplift introduced was due to the rebuilding of the Citadel after the attack. The materials tech was listed as unknown in ME1, probably due to restrictions on materials testing, but the engineering capacity had been developed in the off screen timeline of Shepard's death

 

2185 Collector Technologies. This may be totally Reaper Tech derived, or may have some hybrid form with Prothean techs.

 

It may be a folly to speculate on the possibility of engineering the impossible into some form of narrative, but it is more fun (for me) to re-read the lore for the off screen stuff that Shepard didn't visit.

[Master Warder Z_]

Considering that we are using the M40 Mako, and the M35 Mako was out in 2183 (unclear when it was actually designed) and the M29 Grizzly in 2157, the technology is obviously either contemporary with ME3 or only very slightly in the future (such as 10-20 years or so).

Personally, I suspect the M40 Mako is probably a 2186 prototype, the Ark leaves during the Reaper War and arrives in Andromeda several hundred years later.

 

Because things can't be like the Bradley

 

Which rolled out in 81 and is still in use, hell it will be in use a decade from now when its potential replacement is entering service.

 

Service life on military vehicles is no determinant on time, because you will run into first world militaries still using the same tech they were using when your parents were your age.

[Sartoz]

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Frankly, I'm more interested in the game then the How-They-Got-There.

 

The analogy that Bio gave, where ME trilogy was a group of chars in WW1 and ME:A is a new group of chars in WW2, strongly suggests that we will start with old + new human tech  and go to more advance tech from Khet blueprints, as they are discovered. The teaser video confirms advanced human space travel tech, along with the armour jump jets.

 

The crapola Mako failed to turn itself into dust and Bio did a re-invigoration spell on it. That is also new tech (of a sort) where we will be dropped from orbit. ... a really super dumb idea, if true.

[UpUpAway]

Just to throw a wrench into all this insistence on consistency and old ME MW logic... I think we've been prep'd to perhaps expect a bigger departure from ME1-3:

 

"Liara recently requested assistance in calculating whether the mass effect is a phenomenon that occurs only in our universe, or in all possible universes. It may be that our laws of physics only occur in a finite area, a bubble if you will, in an ocean of other possibilities. I’m speculating whether, if you went far enough out or created enough energy, you could reach a place where one plus one equaled three. Everything would change. All energy, all matter, all the underlying math of the universe would be unrecognizable to us."

 

The question is:  Is Andromeda far enough out and did the crucible create enough energy to get us to a point where "one plus one could equal three?"

[Kabooooom]

Because things can't be like the Bradley

Which rolled out in 81 and is still in use, hell it will be in use a decade from now when its potential replacement is entering service.

Service life on military vehicles is no determinant on time, because you will run into first world militaries still using the same tech they were using when your parents were your age.

A reasonable counterpoint, but I would argue that it would still be unreasonable that the M-40 Mako would be in use, say, even 100 years after ME3. The fact that we are using the M-40 in Andromeda is pretty much proof positive that the timeline cannot be that divorced from ME3 (excluding a long cryo voyage there, like I said).

I also forgot about the M-44 Hammerhead, as someone else pointed out. That's more proof that the tech in Andromeda is the current galactic standard during the prior trilogy, evidence that the Ark most likely left during the prior trilogy.

[Beerfish]

It's pretty easy to elevate any tech you need in Sci Fi.

 

"There was an excavation on planet x,y,z and we found a large pod made of a strange metal!"  Six months later you have unlocked the new tech and away you go.

[Kabooooom]

Just to throw a wrench into all this insistence on consistency and old ME MW logic... I think we've been prep'd to perhaps expect a bigger departure from ME1-3:

"Liara recently requested assistance in calculating whether the mass effect is a phenomenon that occurs only in our universe, or in all possible universes. It may be that our laws of physics only occur in a finite area, a bubble if you will, in an ocean of other possibilities. I’m speculating whether, if you went far enough out or created enough energy, you could reach a place where one plus one equaled three. Everything would change. All energy, all matter, all the underlying math of the universe would be unrecognizable to us."

The question is: Is Andromeda far enough out and did the crucible create enough energy to get us to a point where "one plus one could equal three?"

No...Andromeda is the closest spiral galaxy to the Milky Way. It's only 2.5 million light years away, and we can objectively observe it to see that the laws of physics work 100% as predicted in Andromeda as they do in the MW. Andromeda is SO close that if you could see it with a naked eye from Earth, it would be six times the diameter of a full moon.

If Bioware introduces new fictional physics in Andromeda because its "a different galaxy", that would be single handedly the dumbest thing I have ever seen in a science fiction story. And that says a lot, because I've seen a lot of craptastic science fiction.

[UpUpAway]

No...Andromeda is the closest spiral galaxy to the Milky Way. It's only 2.5 million light years away, and we can objectively observe it to see that the laws of physics work 100% as predicted in Andromeda as they do in the MW. Andromeda is SO close that if you could see it with a naked eye from Earth, it would be six times the diameter of a full moon.

If Bioware introduces new fictional physics in Andromeda because its "a different galaxy", that would be single handedly the dumbest thing I have ever seen in a science fiction story. And that says a lot, because I've seen a lot of craptastic science fiction.

 

Well, then I guess we're going to be "stuck" replaying ME3 forever, eh?... because the fan base is just so obviously unwilling to either move on themselves or to allow Bioware to move on either.

[Kabooooom]

Well, then I guess we're going to be "stuck" replaying ME3 forever, eh?... because the fan base is just so obviously unwilling to either move on themselves or to allow Bioware to move on either.

I'm fine with bioware "moving on", provided that it isn't something that is utterly nonsensical. They've built a world around a fictional physics called the Mass Effect, and its where the series gets its name. It is integral to the setting, and should be continued regardless of location. It would be the same in the MW as in Andromeda.

Introducing new tech is fine, as long as it makes sense. Introducing new physics unique to Andromeda such that it supplants the Mass Effect really isnt. That makes basically zero sense. It would exist in the MW as well. I would, however, be okay with the discovery of a new type of physics and new tech derived from that, provided that it isn't something fundamentally different or unique about Andromeda. Because again, that makes no sense.

I'm fine with new tech, and definitely no Reapers. But they can't divorce themselves too far from the familiarity of the prior trilogy. Luckily, Bioware seems to have realized this with the M-40 Mako. Andromeda wont be thousands of years more technologically advanced, with the exception maybe of any tech found of the Remnant.

[themikefest]

Because things can't be like the Bradley

I remember the M2/3. Enjoyed driving that thing during field exercises. The 25mm gun was cool. But I enjoyed firing the TOW missile at targets.

[Master Warder Z_]

A reasonable counterpoint, but I would argue that it would still be unreasonable that the M-40 Mako would be in use, say, even 100 years after ME3. The fact that we are using the M-40 in Andromeda is pretty much proof positive that the timeline cannot be that divorced from ME3 (excluding a long cryo voyage there, like I said).

I also forgot about the M-44 Hammerhead, as someone else pointed out. That's more proof that the tech in Andromeda is the current galactic standard during the prior trilogy, evidence that the Ark most likely left during the prior trilogy.

 

You are a stickler for numbers huh?

 

You want me to remind you of the TIE fighter? Which saw service from what was it...like 20 BBY or so until like 90 ABY. The existing tech can be advanced certainly, but when you have a prototype a set run of advanced units or what have you, that doesn't change the fact you have three billion regular units just mothballed across the place, hence my dismissal of anything resembling basing time off of something as mundane as a numeric listing of model on a military vehicle.

[UpUpAway]

I'm fine with bioware "moving on", provided that it isn't something that is utterly nonsensical. They've built a world around a fictional physics called the Mass Effect, and its where the series gets its name. It is integral to the setting, and should be continued regardless of location. It would be the same in the MW as in Andromeda.

Introducing new tech is fine, as long as it makes sense. Introducing new physics unique to Andromeda such that it supplants the Mass Effect really isnt. That makes basically zero sense. It would exist in the MW as well. I would, however, be okay with the discovery of a new type of physics and new tech derived from that, provided that it isn't something fundamentally different or unique about Andromeda. Because again, that makes no sense.

I'm fine with new tech, and definitely no Reapers. But they can't divorce themselves too far from the familiarity of the prior trilogy. Luckily, Bioware seems to have realized this with the M-40 Mako. Andromeda wont be thousands of years more technologically advanced, with the exception maybe of any tech found of the Remnant.

 

 All of this thread was hashed over speculating on whether the Ark was reaper or not... any post by anyone that even hinted at deviating a little was shot down (not specifically by you)... it's a "mass effect.".  Here, this thread, same thing starting up again... and  I've only been visiting this site for a short time.  I just don't think there's anything that Bioware can try to do that will please their so-called fan base... and I'm starting to wonder why they would even bother to try.